Eyewitness Interview:

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Of course he does, as any supporter has to. How else could they deal with the fact that they were/are so blatantly wrong about this whole mess and that they have done their small part and contributed to it?

They will never change their tune, so expecting them to is quite futile.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Of course he does, as any supporter has to. How else could they deal with the fact that they were/are so blatantly wrong about this whole mess and that they have done their small part and contributed to it?

They will never change their tune, so expecting them to is quite futile.

As I won't change mine. They can spin the bullshit all they want....at the end of the day, it's still bullshit! I'll eat my crow when they show me the big ole pile of threatening WMD's!

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Of course he does, as any supporter has to. How else could they deal with the fact that they were/are so blatantly wrong about this whole mess and that they have done their small part and contributed to it?

They will never change their tune, so expecting them to is quite futile.

As I won't change mine. They can spin the bullshit all they want....at the end of the day, it's still bullshit! I'll eat my crow when they show me the big ole pile of threatening WMD's!

the only WMD they are ever going to find is a big stash of knee pads

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Of course he does, as any supporter has to. How else could they deal with the fact that they were/are so blatantly wrong about this whole mess and that they have done their small part and contributed to it?

They will never change their tune, so expecting them to is quite futile.

As I won't change mine. They can spin the bullshit all they want....at the end of the day, it's still bullshit! I'll eat my crow when they show me the big ole pile of threatening WMD's!

the only WMD they are ever going to find is a big stash of knee pads

LOL! :laugh:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Either he is lying (actually he's just accentuating the negative, and talking slippery reporter talk) or the marines I read letters from every day in Fallujah, some of them personal friends of mine, are lying. Guess who I believe.

Thanks. You just proved Darkhawks point! (probably not because he is a foreigner, but more of person not in your camp - the war is great...the war is great)

So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Either he is lying (actually he's just accentuating the negative, and talking slippery reporter talk) or the marines I read letters from every day in Fallujah, some of them personal friends of mine, are lying. Guess who I believe.

Thanks. You just proved Darkhawks point! (probably not because he is a foreigner, but more of person not in your camp - the war is great...the war is great)

So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

I really don't care if they are or aren't! GET THE FVCK OUT OF IRAQ!

 

[stateofbeasley]

Are you going to back that up with a source? Or are you just making up facts a la Soviet Encyclopedia? :roll:

As far as I can tell there was no insurgency in Germany and Japan.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/Occ-GY/ch19.htm

Except for black marketeering, some thefts of food and firewood, and petty violations of military government ordinances, the German civilian crime rate was low, sometimes almost disconcertingly low for the Army agencies charged with ferreting out and suppressing resistance. In October, after five months of occupation, Seventh Army G-2 believed Germany to be a "simmering cauldron of unrest and discontent" and claimed to have detected a "mounting audaciousness in the German population"; but as concrete evidence G-2 could only cite some illicit traffic in interzonal mail (then still prohibited), a "strongly worded" [354]

Originally posted by: irwincur
In Germany and Japan the US lost over 10,000 soldiers in the post war occupation. Hostilities occured for almost a decade after the official end of the war.
...
People just weren't giant pussies back then.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Either he is lying (actually he's just accentuating the negative, and talking slippery reporter talk) or the marines I read letters from every day in Fallujah, some of them personal friends of mine, are lying. Guess who I believe.

Thanks. You just proved Darkhawks point! (probably not because he is a foreigner, but more of person not in your camp - the war is great...the war is great)

So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

Not so much lying but telling you what you need to hear. A soldier doing his job has to lie to keep the badass image up to keep courage for the henious job he has to deal with day to day. hoo-rah and all that.
Liars, no they have an excuse IMO, and are doing their best to cope and telling you what you need to hear and they need to say. Plus Al, they would be in TROUBLE if thy wrote you with the truth.

If they told you the whole truth I would actually be surprised they would risk their career and a court marshall to unload on someone who already has their mind made up about the war.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

Ha , the Marines are not allowed to comment. ^^^ :roll: Friends??? RRR FLL's :roll::roll:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: alchemize
So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

Ha , the Marines are not allowed to comment. ^^^ :roll: Friends??? RRR FLL's :roll::roll:

Oh they comment plenty to friends and relatives, Dave. I doubt you have many friends in the millitary with your attitude (heck, any friends period) Nice of you to call our troops liars and lemmings though. Real classy. Tell that to the next marine you see. I'll kick in $5 for replacement dentures.

Names below removed:

Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:26:45 -0800 (PST) From a Marine in Iraq!!, kindness more powerful than hate!!!!! In His Grip, XXX XXX Honored wife of GySgt XXX XXXUSMC December 12th, 2004 ** Beautiful, Just wanted to write to you and tell you another story about an experience we had over here. As you know, I asked for toys for the Iraqi children over here and several people (Americans that support us) sent them over by the box. On each patrol we take through the city, we take as many toys as will fit in our pockets and hand them out as we can. The kids take the toys and run to show them off as if they were worth a million bucks. We are as friendly as we can be to everyone we see, but especially so with the kids. Most of them don't have any idea what is going on and are completely innocent in all of this. On one such patrol, our lead security vehicle stopped in the middle of the street. This is not normal and is very unsafe, so the following vehicles began to inquire over the radio. The lead vehicle reported a little girl sitting in the road and said she just would not budge. The command vehicle told the lead to simply go around her and to be kind as they did. The street was wide enough to allow this maneuver and so they waved to her as they drove around. As the vehicles went around her, I soon saw her sitting there and in her arms she was clutching a little bear that we had handed her a few patrols back. Feeling an immediate connection to the girl, I radioed that we were going to stop. The rest of the convoy paused and I got out the make sure she was OK. The little girl looked scared and concerned, but there was a warmth in her eyes toward me. As I knelt down to talk to her, she moved over and pointed to a mine in the road. Immediately a cordon was set as the Marine convoy assumed a defensive posture around the site. The mine was destroyed in place. It was the heart of an American that sent that toy. It was the heart of an American that gave that toy to that little girl.It was the heart of an American that protected that convoy from that mine. Sure, she was a little Iraqi girl and she had no knowledge of purple mountain's majesty or fruited plains. It was a heart of acceptance, of tolerance, of peace and grace,even through the inconveniences of conflict that saved that convoy from hitting that mine. Those attributes are what keep Americans' hearts beating. She may have no affiliation at all with the United States, but she knows what it is to be brave and if we can continue to support her and her new government, she will know what it is to be free. Isn't that what Americans are, the free and the brave? If you sent over a toy or a Marine (US Service member) you took part in this. You are a reason that Iraq has to believe in a better future. Thank you so much for supporting us and for supporting our cause over here. Semper Fi, XXX XXX GySgt / USMC

 

[alchemize]

Here's another nice letter about Christmas in Iraq. Names and units once again removed so that some lunatic coward leftist doesn't try and get them in trouble.

Two days until Christmas. I can only imagine the trepidation that many of you must be feeling, as you prepare to celebrate such an enormous holiday without your beloved Marine. Well, rest assured, there is much yule tide spirit in the Mayhem Area of Operations, better known as the Mayhem AO. Cards, lights and stockings adorn all the FOBs, and especially pictures of children are everywhere. Christmas music can be heard coming from walkmans and computer laptops, and there is enough candy and candy canes to feed the Battalion and keep them high on sugar for the next 10 years. All of this courtesy of the amazing families and support network of #/##. And, I must send a special thanks to all of you that have sent me personal notes and cards of encouragement and support, you will NEVER know how uplifting those moments have been for me to receive and read. I will get a note back to each and every one of you, I just beg your patience as our operational tempo only knows one speed: FASTER than yesterday.

I always try to shoot straight with the families of #/##, and this update will be no different. I know some of the Marines are openly thinking about the Christmas season, while others keep "the stiff upper lip" and pretend it is just going to be another day. Well, although my 60 watt bulb of a brain only draws 20 watts, I am bright enough to know, and sharp enough to see, this time of year is dealing a hefty blow to my beloved Marines. The weight of not being at home with their families, during this most family oriented of seasons has them a bit down. I know that many are adrift with thoughts of how Christmas WOULD be spent if they were not in Iraq. I know they long for the sights, hunger for the tastes and yearn for the touch of loved ones. They imagine the warmth that tingles from within when seeing the light of a child's face when opening a toy. They visualize about the look in a spouse's eyes, so intent that it says "I love you" without a single spoken word! All these things race through their minds at dizzying speed, for they race through mine as well.

But, in spite of it all, we will be a joyful bunch this Christmas. We will be a joyful bunch, because while we cannot be amongst you, we can be between you. Between you and the enemy that seeks your destruction and the end of all your Christmas celebrations, forever! No, we will be a joyful bunch, because the enemy is at bay. He is at bay because standing between you and him is the righteous fury of "a few good men." No, we will be a joyful bunch, because we are the tool of the fury. We will spend Christmas on the wall separating good from evil. We will spend Christmas in the relentless pursuit of those who would replace your child's wonder with fear, your happiness with desperation, your freedom with tyranny. No! Such cannot happen! And therefore, we spend this Christmas on duty, at the ready, and continuing the hunt.

Who will we spend Christmas with? Let me answer that one. Last night I was making my rounds and had just entered the S-1 office. Now, office is a gross overstatement, as our spaces are essentially wood cubicles inside an old chicken factory with the amenities of a pauper and enough dust to choke a Hoover vacuum. But, office at least gives the impression of a space where the S-1 Marines do their combat admin magic, and it is at least that. There were (3) Marines seated in a close circle in the middle of the space, and I immediately recognized them as from Fox Company; they had layers of dust on them, layers of clothes on them for protection from the cold, and the look of fatigue that is easily recognizeable by Warriors, the one that displays a need to sleep, but a greater need to finish the task at hand. I always try to talk to my Warriors and I approached and after receiving the usual, "good evening Sir," that I got from each of them because of our Marine's unbreakable professionalism, I asked them how things were at Fox. Please understand, I cannot convey tone and tenor, but these Marines instantly knew I meant "how is Fox?" As in, how are you all holding up in light of the tragic loss of LCpl XXX and PFC XXX. Now, these Marines can easily dismiss the Bn Cmdr, who they all always want on the other side of the Mayhem AO from wherever they currently are, with a simple "doing fine, Sir" or "good to go Sir" or even better yet, "oohrah Sir." But I got none of these. I got a few seconds of uncomfortable silence, and then one of them, a young handsome Devil Dog with broad shoulders and the kind of look that should be used as a recruiting poster, looked at me, took a deep breath that instantly let you know what he was about to say was important and warranted your undivided attention, and said: "you know Sir, it's amazing. Even the "bad ass" Marines cannot help but get a little choked up about what we are doing in Yusufiyah. I mean, when we seized that town and it was a running gun battle day in and day out, that place was abandoned. Nobody came out of their houses. But now, when we are out on patrol, and all the schools are back open and people are living their lives, it feels good. But what really gets you Sir... those little kids...those little kids...they come up to you, and in their broken English say "look, we go to school" with a wide smile and a thumbs up. It gets to you Sir, it feels good. We are doing really good out there, aren't we Sir?"

Well, after you could count every hair on the back of my neck because it was at the position of attention, and after the chills stopped going down my spine, and the tears were pushed back into my soul from whence they sprang, I simply said, "you have no idea Devil Dog. You have no idea. You have done amazing. And one day, I will tell the world just HOW amazing."

So, weep not for us, because I for one, and I think I speak for us all, know the only thing that would keep me from my beautiful wife and angelic daughters on Christmas would be:

1. to be in the service of my country and

2. in the presence of heroes.

Check roger on both counts.

Therefore, from Iraq and on behalf of all the heroes of #/##: Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

MERRY CHRISTMAS FALLEN WARRIORS OF #/##, CHRISTMAS DINNER WILL BE IN YOUR HONOR, AS WILL ALL FUTURE CHRISTMAS DINNERS IN THE XXXX AND MANY OTHER HOUSEHOLDS. REST WITH THE ANGELS AND LOOK DOWN ON YOUR BROTHERS. WE LOVE YOU.

Want some more from our Fearless Liar Lemming Marines?

 

[dmcowen674]

Unlike some I can keep them seperate. :roll:

As a matter of the job it comes with the territory to follow the Commander in Chief off a Bridge if he says so, that is in uniform. Outside of uniform is a different story.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Unlike some I can keep them seperate. :roll:

As a matter of the job it comes with the territory to follow the Commander in Chief off a Bridge if he says so, that is in uniform. Outside of uniform is a different story.

You should have given up when you had only dug yourself knee deep...

CsG

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: alchemize
<snip heartstring pulling obviously censored christmas story to beef up morale> *barfs*

Exactly the point I was making this is pointless storys to shore up the troops.
When your "friend" gets home you will see first-hand the awful truth of what war does to a soldier.
Yeah slinging toys while they blowing up familys in reality, sure. More BS from the military. I don't blame them though they are brainwashed for a living.
Another case of playing it up for the outside following orders posing for reconstruction efforts in front of cameras and letters home. -then at night merciless killers not having a damn clue why....just doing their job eh?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Unlike some I can keep them seperate. :roll:

As a matter of the job it comes with the territory to follow the Commander in Chief off a Bridge if he says so, that is in uniform. Outside of uniform is a different story.

Keep what separate? If they agree with your political views, then you support the military. If, however, they do not, then they are fearless liar lemmings.

I support all of our troops, regardless of who they vote for. I'd even support your pansy ass if you disgraced a uniform with your lard.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Either he is lying (actually he's just accentuating the negative, and talking slippery reporter talk) or the marines I read letters from every day in Fallujah, some of them personal friends of mine, are lying. Guess who I believe.

Thanks. You just proved Darkhawks point! (probably not because he is a foreigner, but more of person not in your camp - the war is great...the war is great)

So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

I really don't care if they are or aren't! GET THE FVCK OUT OF IRAQ!

You must be an idiot if you think that will solve anything.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Either he is lying (actually he's just accentuating the negative, and talking slippery reporter talk) or the marines I read letters from every day in Fallujah, some of them personal friends of mine, are lying. Guess who I believe.

Thanks. You just proved Darkhawks point! (probably not because he is a foreigner, but more of person not in your camp - the war is great...the war is great)

So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

I really don't care if they are or aren't! GET THE FVCK OUT OF IRAQ!

You must be an idiot if you think that will solve anything.

Nah, the idiotic thing was going there in the first place.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
* supporters will state that since he's a foreigner, he's lying.

*and the haters will believe anything said by anyone if it fits their Anti-Bush agenda.

CsG

So you believe he's lying Cad?

(oh, and many of us wouldn't be so ANTI-Bush if he hadn't started the dumbfvck Iraq war - and maybe hadn't run up so many deficits. The man did wonderfully right after 9-11, but has sure stunk it up since just after that!)

Either he is lying (actually he's just accentuating the negative, and talking slippery reporter talk) or the marines I read letters from every day in Fallujah, some of them personal friends of mine, are lying. Guess who I believe.

Thanks. You just proved Darkhawks point! (probably not because he is a foreigner, but more of person not in your camp - the war is great...the war is great)

So then you think my personal friends, and the marines are lying then?

I really don't care if they are or aren't! GET THE FVCK OUT OF IRAQ!

You must be an idiot if you think that will solve anything.

Nah, the idiotic thing was going there in the first place.

BINGO!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Unlike some I can keep them seperate. :roll:

As a matter of the job it comes with the territory to follow the Commander in Chief off a Bridge if he says so, that is in uniform. Outside of uniform is a different story.

Keep what separate? If they agree with your political views, then you support the military. If, however, they do not, then they are fearless liar lemmings.

I support all of our troops, regardless of who they vote for. I'd even support your pansy ass if you disgraced a uniform with your lard.

Amazing but not surprised, you still don't get it.

I support ALL our troops as well regardless of the way they voted.

You got the Lard part right but hardly a "pansy".

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

OK try again Dave. When I said I have Marine friends who are in Iraq that I correspond with, and you said:

Ha , the Marines are not allowed to comment. ^^^ Friends??? RRR FLL's

Then wtf exactly did you mean?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Unlike some I can keep them seperate. :roll:

As a matter of the job it comes with the territory to follow the Commander in Chief off a Bridge if he says so, that is in uniform. Outside of uniform is a different story.

Keep what separate? If they agree with your political views, then you support the military. If, however, they do not, then they are fearless liar lemmings.

I support all of our troops, regardless of who they vote for. I'd even support your pansy ass if you disgraced a uniform with your lard.

You support all troops or former troops opinions unless they differ from your own.
We all have our stories and sometimes they have to be a certain way.... There is no rationalizing real warfare. and this is a amazingly honest account of terror at the horrors of war.
The history channel should archive this or the library of congress or something for generations to come.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

OK try again Dave. When I said I have Marine friends who are in Iraq that I correspond with, and you said:

Man, you're such a rebel.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

OK try again Dave. When I said I have Marine friends who are in Iraq that I correspond with, and you said:

Man, you're such a rebel.

Do you have a point? Or were you hungry...

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's another nice letter about Christmas in Iraq. Names and units once again removed so that some lunatic coward leftist doesn't try and get them in trouble.

[ ... ]

Want some more from our Fearless Liar Lemming Marines?

Three points:

1. The plural of "anecdote" is NOT "data"
   
2. According to the survey posted in another thread, a full four out of ten active-duty soldiers were willing to tell a pollster they do NOT believe the Iraq war is worth fighting.
   
3. Contrary to your typical Bushie slurs, it is easy to support both America and our troops generally while simultaenously objecting to Bush, his invasion of Iraq, and the actions/words/attitudes/hair style/whatever of specific members of the military. As far as I am concerned, anyone using one of the "you're either with us or you support [ something evil ]" straw men instantly loses all credibility and presumption of rationality. If one cannot support his position with anything better than that, it safe to assume his position is worthless, IMHO.

Obviously many soldiers still believe they're in Iraq for good reason. Fair enough. Let's not pretend, however, that this sentiment is anywhere close to universal. That you can produce letters ostensibly from pro-war soldiers is no more meaningful than the OP.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's another nice letter about Christmas in Iraq. Names and units once again removed so that some lunatic coward leftist doesn't try and get them in trouble.

[ ... ]

Want some more from our Fearless Liar Lemming Marines?

Three points:

1. The plural of "anecdote" is NOT "data"
   
2. According to the survey posted in another thread, a full four out of ten active-duty soldiers were willing to tell a pollster they do NOT believe the Iraq war is worth fighting.
   
3. Contrary to your typical Bushie slurs, it is easy to support both America and our troops generally while simultaenously objecting to Bush, his invasion of Iraq, and the actions/words/attitudes/hair style/whatever of specific members of the military. As far as I am concerned, anyone using one of the "you're either with us or you support [ something evil ]" straw men instantly loses all credibility and presumption of rationality. If one cannot support his position with anything better than that, it safe to assume his position is worthless, IMHO.

Obviously many soldiers still believe they're in Iraq for good reason. Fair enough. Let's not pretend, however, that this sentiment is anywhere close to universal. That you can produce letters ostensibly from pro-war soldiers is no more meaningful than the OP.

Except for the fact that the soldier is actually the one fighting the war on the ground everyday - not just a journalist trying to get good copy. But I do agree they are both opinions.

CsG