F-16 collides with Cessna in SC

[Lash444]

Shitter's full

 

[skyking]

Things happen pretty fast even at Cessna speeds.
If the F-16 was on an Military Training Route (MTR) as rudder suggested, it would probably not be observing the '250 Knots below 10,000 AGL' rule that helps with collision avoidance.
Typical speeds are 350 KT or a bit more. 1 mile every 9 seconds. At a mile against clutter, a cessna does not look like much. Look away, turn some knobs, look over here and 9 seconds later you are on it.

 

[John Connor]

ADS-B? 250 KTS @ or below 10,000? WTF!

I think the military uses Mode A, but still.

 

[John Connor]

Things happen pretty fast even at Cessna speeds.
If the F-16 was on an Military Training Route (MTR) as rudder suggested, it would probably not be observing the '250 Knots below 10,000 AGL' rule that helps with collision avoidance.

MSL!

FAR 91.117
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-117-FAR.shtml

Typical speeds are 350 KT or a bit more. 1 mile every 9 seconds. At a mile against clutter, a cessna does not look like much. Look away, turn some knobs, look over here and 9 seconds later you are on it.

A Cessna is almost the size of a F-16 and a F-16's forward looking radar should be able to pic the Cessna out without trouble. The common sense issue applies here. Why would an F-16 pilot not see an aircraft on his radar and avoid? I don't think this would be a clutter issue.

 

[XavierMace]

Slower vehicles keep right.

 

[John Connor]

Berkeley County Airport is near by the Charleston AFB.

http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=32.89443...=32.89443,-80.03892,3.1 km SxSW of Hanahan SC

http://skyvector.com/?ll=33.023748211766176,-79.94776842122894&chart=30&zoom=3

 

[twinrider1]

...A Cessna is almost the size of a F-16 and a F-16's forward looking radar should be able to pic the Cessna out without trouble. The common sense issue applies here. Why would an F-16 pilot not see an aircraft on his radar and avoid? I don't think this would be a clutter issue.

The F-16 is twice as long as a Cessna 150 (not that it diminishes your point).

Looking forward to ATC recordings. I read the Cessna was talking to the controller when it happened.

 

[Squeetard]

Another article said the F-16 was in a holding pattern in restricted space. The Cessna popped into the space, the ATC gave the F-16 pilot an avoidance correction which did not happen.

 

[Kaido]

Father & son out for a fun flight. They found the dad's body:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2ddb...rs-begin-looking-over-area-aircraft-collision

Plot thickens:

Authorities found the body of 68-year-old Michael Johnson, the passenger, in the Cooper River in a rural, sparsely populated area in South Carolina, Berkeley County Coroner Bill Salisbury said. They are still searching the same area for the body of his son, 30-year-old Joseph Johnson, who was piloting the Cessna 150 when it was torn apart by its crash with the jet Tuesday.

On Saturday, Jim Johnson and his wife, Beverly — Michael Johnson's brother and sister-in-law — were found dead at their home in Missouri, said Connie Stallworth, the men's sister. The couple's 16-year-old grandson has been charged with second-degree murder in their slayings, police said.

That's a lot of family to lose in a week's span

 

[who?]

Wonder if she slides down the pole at the fire house?

Insurance companies got the poles removed as a safety measure. It's safer to run down stairs.

 

[skyking]

MSL!

FAR 91.117
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-117-FAR.shtml



A Cessna is almost the size of a F-16 and a F-16's forward looking radar should be able to pic the Cessna out without trouble. The common sense issue applies here. Why would an F-16 pilot not see an aircraft on his radar and avoid? I don't think this would be a clutter issue.

That low down, everything is a clutter issue. Flocks of birds, semi truck on the freeway, you name it. It is far too easy to miss something down low against a busy background.

 

[John Connor]

"Forward looking."

 

[John Connor]

Some more information. http://news.yahoo.com/why-f-16-hit-cessna-more-upbeat-updates-065400382.html

 

[JSt0rm]

Some more information. http://news.yahoo.com/why-f-16-hit-cessna-more-upbeat-updates-065400382.html

Guess the f16 didn't want to turn left.