F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

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Hayabusa Rider

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Could a porn star take down the entire Trump crime organization?

That would be awesome


Oh yeah it would.
What I'd like to know is on what basis is Mueller making the raid? It's not a Russia thing but peripheral. He has broad authority to investigate other crimes which come to light while following his mandate, but how did he get to Cohen via Stormy? Enquiring minds want to know!
 

Zorba

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Should Christopher Wray recuse himself as FBI director since he was appointed by Trump and now must handle an investigation against Trump?
As long as has never voted for any democrat, he is fine in Fox's and Trump's eyes.
 

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Per Ken White (aka "Popehat") a fairly influential lawyer:

The Very Big News of the day: FBI Agents raided the law office of Michael Cohen, President Trump's lawyer who was involved in payment of $130,000 to adult performer "Stormy Daniels" for a nondisclosure agreement.

Recently I've been listening to the Podcast "Slow Burn," about Watergate. There's a fascinating theme throughout it: when you're living a historical event, how do you know? How can you tell when a development is a Big Deal?

This is a big deal. It's very early on, but here's some things we can already tell.

1. According to Cohen's own lawyer, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York (widely regarded within itself as being the most important and prestigious U.S. Attorney's Office in the country) secured the search warrants for the FBI. Assuming this report is correct, that means that a very mainstream U.S. Attorney's Office — not just Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office — thought that there was enough for a search warrant here.

2. Moreover, it's not just that the office thought that there was enough for a search warrant. They thought there was enough for a search warrant of an attorney's office for that attorney's client communications. That's a very fraught and extraordinary move that requires multiple levels of authorization within the Department of Justice. The U.S. Attorney's Manual — at Section 9-13.320 — contains the relevant policies and procedures. The highlights:

The feds are only supposed to raid a law firm if less intrusive measures won't work. As the USAM puts it:

In order to avoid impinging on valid attorney-client relationships, prosecutors are expected to take the least intrusive approach consistent with vigorous and effective law enforcement when evidence is sought from an attorney actively engaged in the practice of law. Consideration should be given to obtaining information from other sources or through the use of a subpoena, unless such efforts could compromise the criminal investigation or prosecution, or could result in the obstruction or destruction of evidence, or would otherwise be ineffective.

Such a search requires high-level approval. The USAM requires such a search warrant to be approved by the U.S. Attorney — the head of the office, a Presidential appointee — and requires "consultation" with the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. This is not a couple of rogue AUSAs sneaking in a warrant.

Such a search requires an elaborate review process. The basic rule is that the government may not deliberately seize, or review, attorney-client communications. The USAM — and relevant caselaw — therefore require the feds to set up a review process. That process might involve a judge reviewing the materials to separate out what is privileged (or what might fall within an exception to the privilege), or else set up a "dirty team" that does the review but is insulated from the "clean team" running the investigation. Another option is a "special master," an experienced and qualified third-party attorney to do the review. Sometimes the reviewing team will only be identifying and protecting privileged material. Sometimes the reviewing team will be preparing to seek, or to implement, a court ruling that the documents are not privileged. (Robert Mueller is aggressive on this sort of thing; he already sought and obtained a court ruling that some of Paul Manafort's communications with his lawyers were not privileged because they were undertaken for the purpose of fraud — the so-called "crime-fraud exception" to the attorney-client privilege.

3. A Magistrate Judge signed off on this. Federal magistrate judges (appointed by local district judges, not by the President) review search warrant applications. A Magistrate Judge therefore reviewed this application and found probable cause — that is, probable cause to believe that the subject premises (Cohen's office) contains specified evidence of a specified federal crime. Now, Magistrate Judges sometimes are a little too rubber-stampy for my taste. But here, where the Magistrate Judge knew that this would become one of the most scrutinized search warrant applications ever, and because the nature of the warrant of an attorney's office is unusual, you can expect that the Magistrate Judge felt pretty confident that there was enough there.

4. The search warrant application (the lengthy narrative from the FBI agent setting for the evidence) is almost certainly still under seal, and even Michael Cohen doesn't get to see it [yet]. But the FBI would have left the warrant itself — and that shows (1) the federal criminal statutes they were investigating, and (2) the list of items they wanted to seize. Much can be learned for those. Assuming Michael Cohen doesn't release it, watch for it to be leaked.

Again: this is a Big Deal.

TLDR: Trump is fucked
 
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Not looking good for Trump. I was wondering why he sounded so dejected and tired in his "Animal Assad" speech. He def looks like a man under investigation.
 

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Not looking good for Trump. I was wondering why he sounded so dejected and tired in his "Animal Assad" speech. He def looks like a man under investigation.

It's OK. Mueller and the FBI are corrupt so you are reading fake news.
 

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It's OK. Mueller and the FBI are corrupt so you are reading fake news.

If you don't think the FBI is corrupt you're clearly not paying attention. The FBI is why this Russian puppet got in office in the first place. Your hero did that.


Mueller is not "the FBI". He's clearly a pretty good prosecutor and doing a decent job but he could've done a lot better. The fact that Gates and others get off with ridiculous 30 day sentences does not bode well for consequences being levied at the President.
 

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If you don't think the FBI is corrupt you're clearly not paying attention. The FBI is why this Russian puppet got in office in the first place. Your hero did that.


Mueller is not "the FBI". He's clearly a pretty good prosecutor and doing a decent job but he could've done a lot better. The fact that Gates and others get off with ridiculous 30 day sentences does not bode well for consequences being levied at the President.

I really don't have heroes as some do with Kim, but if you are referring to the avatar of Comey he was the spark which lit the investigations we all discuss. Is there corruption? Well in every organization you'll find that, especially with your hero.
 

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I highly doubt a judge would violate attorney client privilege over an FEC violation. If you look at what they took, it goes way past Stormy. Judges wouldn't sign off on a mob attorney unless there was a very high probability that they were a conspirator. Imagine how high the bar would be for a sitting presidents lawyer.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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I was planning on not drinking this evening, but now I might. Probably pour one for my new homie, Stormy.

A long time ago I bought and laid down some "vintage" port, the stuff that improves with age. I just dug out a 40 year old bottle. I'm going to have a wee nip and reserve it for positive news regarding Mueller. If Trump is impa...impeached I mean I am going to finish it over the course of a long day with cigars even Trump would brag about, well if he knew anything about them.
 
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I highly doubt a judge would violate attorney client privilege over an FEC violation. If you look at what they took, it goes way past Stormy. Judges wouldn't sign off on a mob attorney unless there was a very high probability that they were a conspirator. Imagine how high the bar would be for a sitting presidents lawyer.
It very well might go past her. Who knows how many dummy corporations Cohen has setup to pay out to people. And what he has paid them out for.
 

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I highly doubt a judge would violate attorney client privilege over an FEC violation. If you look at what they took, it goes way past Stormy. Judges wouldn't sign off on a mob attorney unless there was a very high probability that they were a conspirator. Imagine how high the bar would be for a sitting presidents lawyer.

High bars usually translate into great falls. Let's see if that's true here.
 

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I just had a thought, with his record of nonpayment what if trump can't get a lawyer? Will be have to go with a public defender?

I nominate the judge from Alabama. That will go over well in a NY venue.
 
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The law firm representing Cambridge Analytica, Squire Parton and Boggs and a lobbyist for Gazprom were also raided today.
 

Linux23

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Lol. Trump is on TV blaming Hillary and Sessions for recusing himself. Lol
 
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