F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

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dank69

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I honestly think that a given party could win against the Republicans right now simply based on pointing out their inability to govern. They've done a horrendous job of picking positions with any measure of longevity, and getting anything done that couldn't be done with an EO, despite controlling 'the everything'. It's just shabby.
Somehow I don't think logic or facts are the way to win votes anymore. If Americans have a single shit about any of that, Trump would have never even got within sniffing distance of the WH
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Somehow I don't think logic or facts are the way to win votes anymore. If Americans have a single shit about any of that, Trump would have never even got within sniffing distance of the WH

It might not matter as this could result in criminal prosecution. The theory that Presidents can commit grossly illegal acts with impunity is just that. Congress might not matter and Trump goes before a real judge just like any other criminal.

We'll see.
 

cytg111

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It will happen the exact moment that they begin losing advertisers and viewers. So potentially never.

The moment Robert Murdoch decides that Trump has become too toxic. What would that take?
But these people are in cahoots, there will be some secret meeting with the richest and most influential families in the US and when they decide to turn on Trump it will be game over. Stormy case might just tip them over.
 

zinfamous

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No one knows where this will lead but yeah we could be looking at RICO and then a whole huge frigging can of whupass.

What's nice is that this is not about Mueller no matter how much Trump wants it to be. This is in the hands of the SDNY attorney's office. Since Trump hasn't bothered to install a permanent replacement for Preet, a judge and DOJ Republicans appointed by Trump put the current Attorney in place until mid-May (I believe) and cannot be fired, like really can't. Cohen at the very least is in a hell of a lot of trouble, the Campaign itself likely and possibly Trump, depending on where this leads.

And all this has nothing to do with Mueller and will continue of Trump axes him.

Don't forget the RNC! Wonder what kind of goodies related to financing the RNC they found when digging up evidence of Cohen's bank fraud crimes?
 
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VRAMdemon

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A possibility of what happened is that Trump, through his attorney, paid off Stormy Daniels with a shady NDA. There probably wasn't actually anything eye opening here, aside from technically the adultery, which nobody actually cares about. If Trump had just left it at that, then the worst that could happen to him is that the public finds out he had an affair and that he likes to be spanked.

But Trump can't stand the possibility of the public finding that out, so he does what he always does: He lies. He says that there was no affair, and that he never paid Daniels, and that she's not allowed to say otherwise.

But if he never paid Daniels, then Cohen's payment was an illegal campaign contribution. And Trump's statement is thus strong evidence that his lawyer committed a crime. Strong enough evidence, in fact, that the FBI can get a search warrant for Cohen's home and office.

And in the course of that search, the FBI will probably find admissible evidence of all sorts of other crimes that Cohen and Trump really did commit. Evidence that would never have come to light, if it weren't for Trump's reflexive lying. And meanwhile, the public still find out that he likes being spanked, anyway.

And...to top it off...doesn't the Comey book come out next week?..
 

zinfamous

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Now that i think about it, saul goodman was a criminal, but also competent... this cohen character is both a criminal and incompetent.. a dangerous mix.
Yup. Saul really is an excellent lawyer in that (fictional) world. He may be dirty, but he is/was always effective when it comes to his clients. ...but the problem is, it's probably impossible for a guy like Saul to even wrangle a client like Trump. There's only so much you can do for a client that childishly refuses to take your good advice to act towards their own self-preservation.


Yes, exactly. All of this is just part of the copious condiments available as options for our towering nothingburger dinner. And the details of these conversations are in the hands of the people that matter. The mere fact that Trump sent this along to a few people, with idiot lawyers acting on his behalf, you know he was doing it all the time. Is there some sort of evidence here of some actionable crime like "compelling to commit felonies"?

I mean, there has to be, right? You can't just authorize someone to commit a felony with the promise that they will never be punished. LoL--of course you can't do that. Why even ask that question?
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Don't forget the RNC! Wonder what kind of goodies related to financing the RNC they found when digging up evidence of Cohen's bank fraud crimes?

This is true and would account for something I could not understand. The primary mandate for any party is to acquire and maintain power. The Republicans are aware that all of what we see is adding up to losses in Congress and yet they won't stand up to Trump. Regardless of Trump's base, there is a point where their support is outweighed by the negatives of this administration. They are violating the Mandate. Why? Likely something relating to what you say about the RNC or other organizations/actions which might impact them individually and potentially involving illegality.

What a cluster that would be.
 
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dawp

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This is true and would account for something I could not understand. The primary mandate for any party is to acquire and maintain power. The Republicans are aware that all of what we see is adding up to losses in Congress and yet they won't stand up to Trump. Regardless of Trump's base, there is a point where their support is outweighed by the negatives of this administration. They are violating the Mandate. Why? Likely something relating to what you say about the RNC or other organizations/actions which might impact them individually and potentially involving illegality.

What a cluster that would be.

we can only hope.
 

jackstar7

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There's also the eternal SHS tweet that if you're attacking the FBI while under investigation, you're losing. (paraphrased)
 

Hayabusa Rider

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There's also the eternal SHS tweet that if you're attacking the FBI while under investigation, you're losing. (paraphrased)

The next press conference should be fun. Someone should use that quote and ask Sarah if Trump understands he's losing.
 

K1052

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The SDNY US attorney that Trump picked is apparently recused from the Cohen investigation, a recusal approved by...Rod Rosenstein.

There's gotta be black fucking smoke coming out of Trump's ears at this point.
 

jackstar7

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She's got a briefing at the same time as Zuckerberg starts his testimony.

Good day to be c-span.
 

snoopy7548

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I'm overdosing on schadenfreude. Cohen is Megafucked™, and likely every other crony associated with him. Plus it's only Tuesday!

EDIT: Not a single post from our resident Trump defenders? Jesus. This really must be that serious.
 
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