F1 Switching from v10 to v8 next year

[clarkey01]

The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

 

[ironcrotch]

Why are they doing this?

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Why are they doing this?

because they can't afford the gas price. hehehehe

 

[SSP]

Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Why are they doing this?

To slow down the cars.

 

[KokomoGSTmp]

I hear that changes back to slicks and further limitation on aero are in that works too.

Basically, the FIA is trying to make the cars slower and have more passing. Currently, F1 definitely is getting to the point where it's a procession with passing a rarity. That with the wonderful job they did at Indy, I'm hoping the FIA doesn't mess with WRC too much.

 

[clarkey01]

be nice to havr fast cars (v10) and over taking.It feels like a step backwards going to a V8

 

[MustangSVT]

hmmm I think they shoudl allow faster cars.. not slow it down..

 

[TwinAphex]

I'm almost positive they are doing this to cut costs for the lower tier teams to create some balance between teams.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
be nice to havr fast cars (v10) and over taking.It feels like a step backwards going to a V8

They'll get the speed back. They always do.

BTW-Welcome to 6 months ago.

 

[biostud]

I'm looking forward to Fuel Cell F1 racing.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT
hmmm I think they shoudl allow faster cars.. not slow it down..

I think they like having their drivers alive.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Why are they doing this?

To slow down the cars.

and to make it cheaper .... since it was gettin to be a one horse race. all the big teams have massive-> unlimited budgets.....while the private teams are simply there to make up the numbers

 

[Crappopotamus]

Originally posted by: biostud
I'm looking forward to Fuel Cell F1 racing.

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[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: MustangSVT
hmmm I think they shoudl allow faster cars.. not slow it down..

I think they like having their drivers alive.

and the marshalls....alot of which are simply volunteers, who do it becuase they love motor racing

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Why are they doing this?

To slow down the cars.

and to make it cheaper .... since it was gettin to be a one horse race. all the big teams have massive-> unlimited budgets.....while the private teams are simply there to make up the numbers

Not too many private teams left - Jordan, Minardi and Red Bull. Sauber is going to be BMW next year, and Williams (while losing BMW engines in favor of Cosworths) is simply too big to be considered "private".

That said, the switch to V8s has got to be hideously expensive (at least initially).

 

[KokomoGSTmp]

Originally posted by: TwinAphex
I'm almost positive they are doing this to cut costs for the lower tier teams to create some balance between teams.

Unfortunately, I dont think this will work... Toyota, Honda, BMW, Merc all have fairly big budgets. Ferrari and Ford are probably going to spend money but they have a bunch of peripheral teams doing development on V8s.

It seems the cost is increasing by choice having nothing to do with the actual cost of racing but rather R&D.

Methinks Toyota, Ferarri, and Merc will have the best powerplants. All three have a lot of experience building competition V8s. The 2.4L displacement won't hold them back too much... it's only a matter of time until they're revving well past 21K. Imagine the scream of those engines on your eardrums... OUCH.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

Ferrari is basically a racing company IIRC, all they do is make fast cars and make them go faster.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

they'll be back up to speed in no time im guessing. the engineers on these teams are simply mind blowing, really are the best of the best.....they'll engineer a way round the regulations im sure....just like they have done with all the other rule changes

they changed to grooved tires, and narrow diffusers, and cut back electronics this year....yet they still get faster.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

Ferrari is basically a racing company IIRC, all they do is make fast cars and make them go faster.

They have little experience with racing V8's vs. Cosworth who have been doing it since the 60s.

And while Ferrari builds street cars so they can go racing, they're still tiny compared to giants such as Toyota and Honda who have a lot of experience with small displacement high revving engines.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

Ferrari is basically a racing company IIRC, all they do is make fast cars and make them go faster.

They have little experience with racing V8's vs. Cosworth who have been doing it since the 60s.

And while Ferrari builds street cars so they can go racing, they're still tiny compared to giants such as Toyota and Honda who have a lot of experience with small displacement high revving engines.

Ferrari will continue to dominate F1.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

Ferrari is basically a racing company IIRC, all they do is make fast cars and make them go faster.

They have little experience with racing V8's vs. Cosworth who have been doing it since the 60s.

And while Ferrari builds street cars so they can go racing, they're still tiny compared to giants such as Toyota and Honda who have a lot of experience with small displacement high revving engines.

Ferrari will continue to dominate F1.

like theyre doing now?

ill admit though, hats off to them and shcumacher....hes not had the best season by his standards yet he's still third

i dont think ferrari have made a bad car, i just think that the other teams, specially Maclaren have caught up faster than ferrari expected

that mclaren is one beautiful race car....i love the little horns its got

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

Ferrari is basically a racing company IIRC, all they do is make fast cars and make them go faster.

They have little experience with racing V8's vs. Cosworth who have been doing it since the 60s.

And while Ferrari builds street cars so they can go racing, they're still tiny compared to giants such as Toyota and Honda who have a lot of experience with small displacement high revving engines.

Ferrari will continue to dominate F1.

Why?

And, have you been watching lately?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

Ferrari is basically a racing company IIRC, all they do is make fast cars and make them go faster.

They have little experience with racing V8's vs. Cosworth who have been doing it since the 60s.

And while Ferrari builds street cars so they can go racing, they're still tiny compared to giants such as Toyota and Honda who have a lot of experience with small displacement high revving engines.

Ferrari will continue to dominate F1.

Why?

And, have you been watching lately?

No, I don't like racing.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The times appear be 5 seconds slower on laps in toyata's testing in monza.Shame. Who'll have the best chance next year?

Well, that happens to be a horsepower track - a horsepower deficit would show up there.

Now, given that the new engines are lighter and smaller, that means a lighter and more compact chassis package. I would venture to guess that the it would be a lot closer at tracks like the Monaco and San Marino.

They'll claw back though. Some of the engines are turing over 20K rpm in testing already. The primary concern is vibration - some of the test drivers are getting headaches from it.

I think companies like Honda, Toyota and especially Cosworth will have an advantage next year. Ferrari hasn't got a prayer if you ask me - they simply haven't got the resources (or experience) to come up with a completely new engine (V8) and be competitive right away.

Ferrari is basically a racing company IIRC, all they do is make fast cars and make them go faster.

They have little experience with racing V8's vs. Cosworth who have been doing it since the 60s.

And while Ferrari builds street cars so they can go racing, they're still tiny compared to giants such as Toyota and Honda who have a lot of experience with small displacement high revving engines.

Ferrari will continue to dominate F1.

Why?

And, have you been watching lately?

No, I don't like racing.

neffing is more fun?