F150 or Tundra....and anyone traded 2 vehicles before?

[Scarpozzi]

I have 2 vehicles...2009 F150 STX Reg cab and a 2011 4Runner. Both are great, but the 4Runner lacks room and the F150 can't hold car seats for my kids.

Looking at the possibility to trade those in and get a Crewmax or SCREW. I test drove the Crewmax today....drove like the 4Runner...I liked the ride and features....back seat has enough space for a sumo wrestling match....but the whole truck seems like the same truck they've sold since 2007 and the 2017's here are as low as $38k from what I was seeing.

I want to check out the 2017/2018 SuperCREW. I'm seeing some of the 17's discounted to the $34.5-35.5k range....better gas mileage, but seats don't look as nice and less legroom.

Thoughts?

 

[leper84]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V5WGkRZQOU

 

[Scarpozzi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V5WGkRZQOU

I suppose I'm not surprised about that.....thanks.

 

[jtworldwide3]

I had a 2010 Crewmax Platinum for a while. The back seats for dealing with kids are second to none in the Toyota.
They have done nothing but a cosmetic refresh on it since 2007. But the drive train is solid, ultra reliable and still has plenty of punch, even compared to modern offerings from the big 3.
Its low tech though, and you notice that in the fuel mileage. You get great reliability though, it is a Toyota (though built in Texas)
I am currently rocking a Sequoia. Same rig with IRS. Bit less towing capacity, but much better ride quality. Even the sequoia feels cramped in the back compared to the crewmax though, you can have a rear facing car seat behind you and still put the seat all the way back and lean it back before contact. Its that big inside.

 

[WackyDan]

Ford has the better engine choices and overall MPG. Have a 2012 with the V8... Not one single issue with it since new.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Ford has the better engine choices and overall MPG. Have a 2012 with the V8... Not one single issue with it since new.

I visited the Ford dealership yesterday morning and checked out the 2018's.

Front and backseat legroom:
They certainly aren't as big as the Tundra in the back seat, but the front seat has enough room that I don't have to have the seat all the way back either. I'm 6'4" and it would accommodate my height if I were even 6'7".... I think it will work.

Back Glass:
I like the Tundra's back glass window and how it rolls down 4Runner-style. That's just nice. F150's meager sliding window, when equipped is ok....but I'm not sure how much I'd use either. In my truck, leaves and dust tend to fly around my truckbed when I'm going down the road if it's not been sprayed out. All that dust goes in the window when it's open.... It's worse when I haul something and want to open the window...I usually give up and close it back quick.

Grills and Tailgates:
For the 2018's, I'm torn on the grills....it's tough because I can get a 2017 cheaper than a 2018....the main differences I see are the grills and the tailgate... I'm not sure how I like them yet.

Rear Air:
Tundra SR5, this is standard. Ford SCREW, you have to get the bucket seat configuration to get rear air. My kids need this to survive in the summer and winter (if you ask them)

I'm still trying to decide if I want to spend the extra money on the upgrade or wait another few years to jump. My wife is telling me not to do it yet, perhaps if Tundra gets better mpg in their next version, it'll make it easier for me to jump. I really like Ford, but I'm not sure how I feel about the extra money they charge for the trim level I'd really want (but simply won't pay for). STX is what my current truck is and I'd probably settle for an STX in the current gen too....but would want the Lariat.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

As already posted, I personally would only choose the F-150 at this time due to its crash rating. They got dinged hard in 2015 when the Small Overlap Test was brand new, and they bounced back and addressed it spectacularly. I wouldn't personally be shopping alternatives until refreshes address the crash test issues.

 

[Scarpozzi]

As already posted, I personally would only choose the F-150 at this time due to its crash rating. They got dinged hard in 2015 when the Small Overlap Test was brand new, and they bounced back and addressed it spectacularly. I wouldn't personally be shopping alternatives until refreshes address the crash test issues.

I agree with you. While I keep doing comparisons of the features, I'm simply comparing them to see which features are common in both and what's lacking in either. They seem to be comparable in everything but safety and engine choices. I'd be interested to see how well the 2.7L Ecoboost could haul a 22 foot pontoon. We don't normally take it out of the water since I built a boathouse/lift....but at least twice a year, I'll need to pull it for maintenance and cleaning.

 

[Burpo]

Remember this Chevy ad about the F-150?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9I170i2ZQ

 

[Scarpozzi]

Remember this Chevy ad about the F-150?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9I170i2ZQ

Yeah. I've seen the clumsy, weak guys that drive chevy's. I don't even know how they are able to lift those heavy boxes up on the side of the bed....but it's no wonder they drop them.

 

[Wuzup101]

I agree with you. While I keep doing comparisons of the features, I'm simply comparing them to see which features are common in both and what's lacking in either. They seem to be comparable in everything but safety and engine choices. I'd be interested to see how well the 2.7L Ecoboost could haul a 22 foot pontoon. We don't normally take it out of the water since I built a boathouse/lift....but at least twice a year, I'll need to pull it for maintenance and cleaning.

I don't think you are going to have any issue towing a 22' pontoon with either truck. That's probably about 4000-5000lbs max with boat+engine+trailer wet correct?

FWIW, I do own a 2018 F-150 (Raptor) and love the truck. If I didn't go with the raptor, I think I would have went with a Lariat with the 2.7L / 10 speed and a 3.73 rear end. That little engine is fantastic. Until Toyota does a refresh on their trucks, I wouldn't consider them in the 1/2 ton segment. Make sure you get the 36gal fuel tank

 

[Pulsar]

Remember this Chevy ad about the F-150?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9I170i2ZQ

Ask yourself a couple questions.

What new truck owner doesn't have a bedliner?
What actual affect does a small hole have in the bed?
What's going to happen to the that scratch in the Chevy's bed in a year's time of salt and rain?
Is Chevy going aluminum on their vehicles anyway (yep)?

A masterful job by GM of trying to abuse Ford over this.....

I use my F150 to tow a 26 foot sailboat that ways around 6800 lbs. That translates to a 35 foots trailer, and I use a standard hitch and have no issues at all.

 

[Scarpozzi]

My questions about how well it could tow the 22' pontoon....I know the 2.7L is 300+ HP. My question was based on the curb weight of the truck and overall torque of that engine when pulling a load from a dead stop uphill or even in an extended 2-6% grade climb. I used to haul my 17.5 foot bowrider with a Jeep Cherokee that sported the straight six @ 199HP. I'd never do this with the pontoon currently, but hauled that boat up a mountain 15 years ago and could tell that was pushing it. I ended up cutting my speed just for the sake of keeping the transmission in a reasonable gear.

I know the F150 will pull. I'm just curious what the real difference is when climbing a mountain with a trailer. I'm sure I shouldn't even be comparing my current F150 with the newer gen since they all pretty much come with the 10 speed transmissions. It was just a thought.

 

[WackyDan]

I visited the Ford dealership yesterday morning and checked out the 2018's.

Front and backseat legroom:
They certainly aren't as big as the Tundra in the back seat, but the front seat has enough room that I don't have to have the seat all the way back either. I'm 6'4" and it would accommodate my height if I were even 6'7".... I think it will work.

Back Glass:
I like the Tundra's back glass window and how it rolls down 4Runner-style. That's just nice. F150's meager sliding window, when equipped is ok....but I'm not sure how much I'd use either. In my truck, leaves and dust tend to fly around my truckbed when I'm going down the road if it's not been sprayed out. All that dust goes in the window when it's open.... It's worse when I haul something and want to open the window...I usually give up and close it back quick.

Grills and Tailgates:
For the 2018's, I'm torn on the grills....it's tough because I can get a 2017 cheaper than a 2018....the main differences I see are the grills and the tailgate... I'm not sure how I like them yet.

Rear Air:
Tundra SR5, this is standard. Ford SCREW, you have to get the bucket seat configuration to get rear air. My kids need this to survive in the summer and winter (if you ask them)

I'm still trying to decide if I want to spend the extra money on the upgrade or wait another few years to jump. My wife is telling me not to do it yet, perhaps if Tundra gets better mpg in their next version, it'll make it easier for me to jump. I really like Ford, but I'm not sure how I feel about the extra money they charge for the trim level I'd really want (but simply won't pay for). STX is what my current truck is and I'd probably settle for an STX in the current gen too....but would want the Lariat.

I bought the power rear window on the Ford and I hardly use it. I used to use them all the time in my other trucks, but they were right behind my head then... With the Super Crew I find I don't really need it and nor do my passengers. Perhaps if I lived further north in less heat and humidity I would drive around more with my windows down. Here in NC the side windows suffice. So yeah, if you are looking at a crew cab, skip the window unless it is included in a package you are getting other things you want.

I went with the buckets for the flow through air as well. For the 2012's (and maybe the 11's and 13's) they offered and FX-2 (2wd sport) package that had that as an option. Not sure if they offer that in the new sport package or not... Probably force you into a higher trim level. I had to order mine at the time.

As for room in the back seat... Wife and kid sit back there... They are smaller than me and there is still gobs of room.

 

[rancherlee]

I bought the power rear window on the Ford and I hardly use it. I used to use them all the time in my other trucks, but they were right behind my head then... With the Super Crew I find I don't really need it and nor do my passengers. Perhaps if I lived further north in less heat and humidity I would drive around more with my windows down. Here in NC the side windows suffice. So yeah, if you are looking at a crew cab, skip the window unless it is included in a package you are getting other things you want.

I went with the buckets for the flow through air as well. For the 2012's (and maybe the 11's and 13's) they offered and FX-2 (2wd sport) package that had that as an option. Not sure if they offer that in the new sport package or not... Probably force you into a higher trim level. I had to order mine at the time.

As for room in the back seat... Wife and kid sit back there... They are smaller than me and there is still gobs of room.

My XLT scab (6 person) gets A/C the back through the 2 floor vents in the back, just need to set it to dash+floor. I don't see a 22' pontoon being an issue, I tow my 21' tri-toon with my F150 5.0 and have no issues ONCE I got rid of the POS P rated tires. Load C LT's are available as a factory option on some trim levels, takes most of the "squirm" out of crosswind towing, the mushy steering went away also with the LT C range upgrade on mine. Test drove a 2.7L 6 speed and it felt very comparable power wise to the old 5.4L + 6 speed and a bit more "torquey" off the line than my 5.0L but lacked a touch of passing power compared to the 5.0L.

 

[Pacfanweb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V5WGkRZQOU

So if you crash into a concrete wall with just the outer part of your truck, that will happen.

Totally unrealistic scenario. You hit another vehicle like that, and a lot of the energy is going to be absorbed by it, not solely your truck.

I'll take the steel truck overall for ease of repair. The aluminum can't be repaired for the most part...it has to be replaced. It splits and tears and rips when it's impacted. Body shops hate these trucks.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Ask yourself a couple questions.

What new truck owner doesn't have a bedliner?
What actual affect does a small hole have in the bed?
What's going to happen to the that scratch in the Chevy's bed in a year's time of salt and rain?
Is Chevy going aluminum on their vehicles anyway (yep)?

A masterful job by GM of trying to abuse Ford over this.....

I use my F150 to tow a 26 foot sailboat that ways around 6800 lbs. That translates to a 35 foots trailer, and I use a standard hitch and have no issues at all.

Nothing is going to happen to the Chevy truck bed. It's galvanized. The Ford's is weaker and FAR harder to repair....in fact, most body shops can't/won't repair them. They have to be replaced, whereas with steel you can simply weld a patch panel in.
Doubt GM will ever use aluminum in their bed. Outer panels, probably...the hoods have been aluminum for awhile.

 

[Pacfanweb]

OP: I didn't see it in your post, but the title asks whether anyone's traded 2 vehicles.

Yes, happens all the time.

But NO, HELL NO, don't do it. Never, ever trade. Always sell it yourself. And for sure don't trade 2 vehicles......no need taking an ass burning on 2 trades you're only going to get "rough book" or less for.

Sell them on Craigslist or something. It's easy, doesn't take much time, and you save thousands.

 

[Pulsar]

Nothing is going to happen to the Chevy truck bed. It's galvanized. The Ford's is weaker and FAR harder to repair....in fact, most body shops can't/won't repair them. They have to be replaced, whereas with steel you can simply weld a patch panel in.
Doubt GM will ever use aluminum in their bed. Outer panels, probably...the hoods have been aluminum for awhile.

I've found statements that the Chevy body panels are galvanized - not the truck bed. I'm curious, do you have a quote for that? Either way, galvanized or not, scratches through to the bare metal will rust. And they happen all the time. All - the - time. If you actually use your truck. Silly things like shovel strikes when you're unloading that mulch, or gouges from setting down a pallet of paving bricks from the pallet nails simply happen.

 

[herm0016]

I've found statements that the Chevy body panels are galvanized - not the truck bed. I'm curious, do you have a quote for that? Either way, galvanized or not, scratches through to the bare metal will rust. And they happen all the time. All - the - time. If you actually use your truck. Silly things like shovel strikes when you're unloading that mulch, or gouges from setting down a pallet of paving bricks from the pallet nails simply happen.

I abused the hell out of my 09 GMC, no Bedliner. dumped rocks and soil in from a front end loader, had a big dent in the wheel well, scratches all over and even worse, i had some old rubber back carpet mats in there that soaked up water. a few scratches had a little surface rust, but nothing worth doing anything over. just sold it with 100k on it last month.

 

[Pacfanweb]

The truck bed is part of the body

 

[Wuzup101]

So if you crash into a concrete wall with just the outer part of your truck, that will happen.

Totally unrealistic scenario. You hit another vehicle like that, and a lot of the energy is going to be absorbed by it, not solely your truck.

Yeah, if you hit a parked car maybe. What happens when you hit another vehicle coming coming at you head-on with equal speed and mass?

I'll take the steel truck overall for ease of repair. The aluminum can't be repaired for the most part...it has to be replaced. It splits and tears and rips when it's impacted. Body shops hate these trucks.

Absolutely true. But it's not like aluminum is new in the automotive industry. I have insurance, so I could care less what the bodyshop likes.

 

[leper84]

So if you crash into a concrete wall with just the outer part of your truck, that will happen.

Totally unrealistic scenario. You hit another vehicle like that, and a lot of the energy is going to be absorbed by it, not solely your truck.

I'll take the steel truck overall for ease of repair. The aluminum can't be repaired for the most part...it has to be replaced. It splits and tears and rips when it's impacted. Body shops hate these trucks.

You do know that IIHS tests more than the small overlap shown in the video right? You do know the whole 'top safety pick' only the F150 receives involves tests other than the small overlap, right?

 

[Pacfanweb]

You do know that IIHS tests more than the small overlap shown in the video right? You do know the whole 'top safety pick' only the F150 receives involves tests other than the small overlap, right?

Yes, but the video only shows that one test like it's the definitive one. And you're only talking one category where the 150 is slightly better on that TEST than a Silverado.
Splitting hairs. They're all fine, forget the crash ratings unless they're actually bad, and buy what you like.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Yeah, if you hit a parked car maybe. What happens when you hit another vehicle coming coming at you head-on with equal speed and mass?



Absolutely true. But it's not like aluminum is new in the automotive industry. I have insurance, so I could care less what the bodyshop likes.

If you hit a parked car, it's not going to do that to your truck because the parked car is also going to fold up and absorb the impact. That concrete or steel slab they're running vehicles into doesn't even flex. It's a very unrealistic scenario.

And you might care when the insurance company raises your rates for your aluminum truck because the repair costs are much higher.