F22/35/16 vs. MiG's SU's and other flying crap - Updated Plane Thread

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: Pocatello
I wonder how the fighter jocks feel about UCAV, I'm sure politicians love it. You can make a little war for votes without worrying about American casualties. Here is an interesting read about European air force capabilities (or lack of) vs the US.

heh ucavs have no fear i think 30g turns? u might be lucky and outsmart one, but several? u so screwed

NOt only that, the x-45 is pretty much made out of composites,shaped like the b-2 and much smaller. I bet it has a rader signature of a paperclip.

x-45s hunting in packs....

 

[lizium]

I did more digging, and found this Baby Supposedly when its finished it will be better than SU37 :Q

Here is another LINK Mach 1.6 and 9G's... Thats better than F22.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: RanDum72


As for the ceiling, the 'official' ceiling of the Mig-25 is 75,000 but a lot of people know it can fly much higher than that.
Link.
The Mig-25 was at 123,523 ft. If it could fly that high, if only for brief periods, it sure can fly for extended periods at 85,000.

As for the ceiling, the 'official' ceiling of the SR-71 is 85,000 but a lot of people know it can fly much higher than that.

By your very own logic, you suggest that even the SR-71 could fly at extreme altitudes even if it was only for a very breif time.
Maybe it can fly above 123,000 feet, but maybe no one has wanted the publish the numbers.


Any conventional jet flying above 100,000 feet is just a bullet flying its parabalic path as there is not enough atmosphere for its jets to work at that altitude.

 

[lizium]

The MiG 1.42/1.44 AKA MiG-39 Can also do a lot of damage... This one can go against the F22 with no fear, and the SU-47 can take anything down with a blindfolde pilot Hehe, i am readin up on them right now.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: lizium
I did more digging, and found this Baby Supposedly when its finished it will be better than SU37 :Q

Here is another LINK Mach 1.6 and 9G's... Thats better than F22.

Looks alot like the X-29 that was flown in 1989.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: lizium
The MiG 1.42/1.44 AKA MiG-39 Can also do a lot of damage... This one can go against the F22 with no fear, and the SU-47 can take anything down with a blindfolde pilot Hehe, i am readin up on them right now.

Do you always like to fly non-existant aircraft? F-22 is currently limited production, with a full ramp in the near future.

 

[Pocatello]

How will the X-45 be controlled? Will it be an autonomous hunter/killer or controlled by pilots on the ground or on another plane. The Predator UAV has the capability of return to its base if it loses contact with the ground control.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: lizium
I did more digging, and found this Baby Supposedly when its finished it will be better than SU37 :Q

Here is another LINK Mach 1.6 and 9G's... Thats better than F22.

Looks alot like the X-29 that was flown in 1989.

u beat me to it go nasa!

 

[lizium]

The X-29 looks like a toaster compared to SU-47.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: lizium
The X-29 looks like a toaster compared to SU-47.

Same technology

Just 15 years sooner....

 

[lizium]

The X-45 will be flown by actual pilots... from the ground that is. It wont be able to engage in air-to-air combats, its designed to take out ground missile targets.

Linky

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
How will the X-45 be controlled? Will it be an autonomous hunter/killer or controlled by pilots on the ground or on another plane. The Predator UAV has the capability of return to its base if it loses contact with the ground control.

It is probably a mixture of pilot and autonomous control. I think it was mentioned somewhere that many x-45s could be controlled by one "pilot".

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: lizium
The MiG 1.42/1.44 AKA MiG-39 Can also do a lot of damage... This one can go against the F22 with no fear, and the SU-47 can take anything down with a blindfolde pilot Hehe, i am readin up on them right now.

Impressive designs but to bad you didn't read the entire article. "Though it will probably never enter service in Russia due to its high price tag and Russia's financial crisis"

 

[lizium]

The SU-47 has been in development for a long time i am sure... It has never been in combat, but judging by specs and info we have, it can spank anything.

 

[Pocatello]

It will be able to fly completely autonomously, programmed before a mission to navigate to a target, destroy it with up to 3,000 pounds of ordnance, and return to its base to land and be rearmed for another mission. A ground controller won't be necessary, though one could intervene to recall it or assign it a different target.

If I'm reading it correctly, it won't require a pilot, unless a change in the mission pops up.

 

[lizium]

I did read the article, and a couple of other ones. The MiG 144 project has been scrapped in favor of Su-47.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: lizium
The SU-47 has been in development for a long time i am sure... It has never been in combat, but judging by specs and info we have, it can spank anything.

assuming it lucks out and doesn't get taken out by missles fired out of its range of detection

 

[Desslok]

The only people that might even have these is India and China. India I am not worried about ever since China owned them when they went at it over part of Kasmire(sp). China will be out next war if the students can't take over before the hardliners strike out in hopes of cementing their positions. .

 

[lizium]

Nefrodite, Americans are saying F22 is superior, Russians are saying SU-47 is, who are ou going to believe? Besides, we dont have any info on SU-47's radar capabilities.

If you think that Russia will build the SU-47 and wont keep any for personal use, ur in denial Besides, Russia's economy is skyrocketing compared to previous years, and they are making money.

 

[Pocatello]

Actually, China is more of a threat to Russia than to the US. Russia's vast land and natural resource up in Siberia is riped for picking, and China needs those resources for growth. With the surge in Chinese military power and the weakened and feabled Russian military, Russia should be very worried. Wars over the century usually involve around neighboring countries.

Russia can afford a few Su-47, just so people like lizium can say "Russia has a powerful air force", too few compare with the number of F-22 and F-35 (which will go over a thousand easily, almost every European country wants to participate in the program). How many Su-37 or Su -30 do Russia currently have? Not that many. The Soviet used to crank out thousands of Mig-21, Mig-23/27, because they were cheap to build.

 

[Desslok]

Lizium the Soviets have always been about Quantity over Quality. If you look at any major war since the 60's you will see that Quality has always won over Quanity. The Soviets have ALWAYS been behind the west in the area of technology. Hell if the dumb ass English hadn't of given them their newest engines back in the 50's the Mig 15 would have been a VERY different aircraft.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: lizium
The X-45 will be flown by actual pilots... from the ground that is. It wont be able to engage in air-to-air combats, its designed to take out ground missile targets.

Linky

why did you say the x-45 will be flown by actual pilots while linking to an article that says

"It will be able to fly completely autonomously, programmed before a mission to navigate to a target, destroy it with up to 3,000 pounds of ordnance, and return to its base to land and be rearmed for another mission. A ground controller won't be necessary, though one could intervene to recall it or assign it a different target."

i'm sure they'll get into air vs air missions later, its only logical. but early in development they would go for the simpler missions first of course. i can't wait to see a pack of ucavs working together in a dogfight though

 

[Pocatello]

Lizium the Soviets have always been about Quantity over Quality. If you look at any major war since the 60's you will see that Quality has always won over Quanity. The Soviets have ALWAYS been behind the west in the area of technology. Hell if the dumb ass English hadn't of given them their newest engines back in the 50's the Mig 15 would have been a VERY different aircraft.

I think the Russian have changed that with the Su-27/30/37. There is a catch though, they don't have enough money to build a quality air force with a few very capable fighters. You have to have both quality and quantity, that's why the US have the F-15 and the F-16. The F-22 will be the "silver bullet" while the F-35 will fill the quantity area, not saying that the F-35 isn't a quality aircraft. The Allies won WWII by quantity. Stalin had said that quantity is a quality all by itself.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: Pocatello

Lizium the Soviets have always been about Quantity over Quality. If you look at any major war since the 60's you will see that Quality has always won over Quanity. The Soviets have ALWAYS been behind the west in the area of technology. Hell if the dumb ass English hadn't of given them their newest engines back in the 50's the Mig 15 would have been a VERY different aircraft.

I think the Russian have changed that with the Su-27/30/37. There is a catch though, they don't have enough money to build a quality air force with a few very capable fighters. You have to have both quality and quantity, that's why the US have the F-15 and the F-16. The F-22 will be the "silver bullet" while the F-35 will fill the quantity area, not saying that the F-35 isn't a quality aircraft. The Allies won WWII by quantity. Stalin had said that quantity is a quality all by itself.

Very good point Pocatello. Yes the Allies won the war with numbers. I agree with you on that totally. I also agree with you that China will most likely go after Siberia. Hell the Soviets and Chinese have had some pretty major battles along their borders over the years.

 

[RanDum72]

As for the ceiling, the 'official' ceiling of the SR-71 is 85,000 but a lot of people know it can fly much higher than that.

What is with you? I'm not arguing that the other aircraft is 'superior' than the other. I'm merely staing a fact that the Mig-25 can fly higher than the SR-71, even for short periods. I also stated the fact that the Mig-25 is almost as fast as the SR-71. The published 'specs' of Soviet aircraft are not cast in stone and probably the SR-71 as well. But the fact remains that the Mig-25 has officially reached almost 124,000 feet and almost 123,000 ft with a 2000 kg payload, and the SR-71 has not, not even close.