Face it: Monogamy is unnatural

[darkewaffle]

"Natural" v "unnatural" is a meaningless pillar of support for just about anything.

Cooking food is "unnatural", but I'm not stopping. Polygamy (isn't polyamory more appropriate though) is "natural", but I'm not starting.

 

[preslove]

"Natural" v "unnatural" is a meaningless pillar of support for just about anything.

Cooking food is "unnatural", but I'm not stopping. Polygamy (isn't polyamory more appropriate though) is "natural", but I'm not starting.

Polygamy |= polyamory.

And, no, polygamy is not natural.

 

[Vic Vega]

Well, I'm not an animal so I don't really care how animals act. Animals lick their butts too, I'm not going to start.

If you're not the type of person who can stay in a relationship then don't. Live your life how you see fit. Screw everyone else (figuratively or literally).

 

[irishScott]

What the fuck do you think we were doing? We were hunter gatherers going back to homo erectus. That is, before we were modern humans...

And whatever you read is out of date. Single male alpha groups only applies to other primates, not humans. So your first statement is not true. It isn't natural to fight other males in your group for women.

Calm down, and you might realize that in my last post I was making a completely different point.

I know "natural" has a broader, context-based meaning than "average hunter-gatherer tribe".

Even if my first statement (there are four now, try to keep up) is false, my original point was that even pre-historic humanity did a lot of bad stuff that would likely shock the columnist. Namely (at this point) what modern society would call abduction and rape.

 

[Spungo]

And whatever you read is out of date. Single male alpha groups only applies to other primates, not humans. So your first statement is not true. It isn't natural to fight other males in your group for women.

Then why do so many humans act this way? It seems universal that men fight each other for women.

Well, I'm not an animal so I don't really care how animals act. Animals lick their butts too, I'm not going to start.

I don't understand the Tracy Morgan and Joey Diaz jokes about eating ass. I've never had my butt licked nor do I want to. I would have a hard time kissing a guy after knowing that his tongue was in my ass at some point.

 

[Vic Vega]

I don't understand the Tracy Morgan and Joey Diaz jokes about eating ass. I've never had my butt licked nor do I want to. I would have a hard time kissing a guy after knowing that his tongue was in my ass at some point.

Heh, you took that in a completely different direction. I was thinking more like dogs lick their butts.

 

[moonbogg]

Dieting is unnatural too.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Really it's none of anyone's business what goes on in one persons relationship. That is the biggest issue. Too many nosy people wanting to push their morals and values on everyone else (meanwhile, usually they are guilty of the same things or far worse). It's up to the individual relationship to decide what is acceptable and what isn't. Everyone else can piss off.

I agree

I don't go around pushing Monogamy ANYONE's throat and I can totally relate to Poly thing (but it's just not for me).

So please don't push Poly crap down MY throat.

Besides, EVERYTHING is Natural. Piece of shit is natural....so fucking what? Anything that exists is natural, since Monogamy exists and is pretty wide spread around the world (lot more so than Poly).......it's clearly Natural.

Maybe this is just me but 1 woman is about ALL that I can handle (when it comes to EVERYTHING). Having more women to deal with etc is quite opposite of "appealing" to me.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Your opinions have no bearing on my life. So stop acting like you have a right to tell me how I should live it. If I choose to be with a partner who is on the same page about monogamy and that we both want to have a polyamorous lifestyle, then what the fuck does it matter to you that we choose to be open about having sex with other people instead of trying to hide it like the majority of the country?

 

[poofyhairguy]

It's up to the individual relationship to decide what is acceptable and what isn't.

Not really.

In regards to relationships in a culture there are norms and customs that are considered acceptable by that culture. It is perfectly fair for you to not asked to be harmed (aka prosecuted) for your individual relationship, but to expect society to not look down on your abnormal relationship is pure fantasy.

In western cultures (and many eastern cultures) the emphasis is on children. They get the top priority, their rights and "needs" are paramount.

The emphasis on monogamy is related to this priority of children. It has been proven that children have the greatest chance for success coming from a two parent household. That means that any other configuration has the burden of proof that living in a poly household does not impede the development of children.

The smartest thing the gay marriage movement did is focus on monogamy. A stable gay couple is a viable family unit for raising foster children- certainly more so than an orphanage or single parents.

Until the poly people prove that children are better off in poly relationships, society will continue to put monogamy on a pedestal. Start the long-term studies now and pray they are in your favor.

If you don't have facts to back you up, you are basically asking the world to put your rights as an adult (to have any relationship you want) over the rights of children (that MAY be raised in your household). The modern world will reject that request every time.

 

[BoberFett]

There are no studies that show children are worse off having more than two parents. The damage is done when there is only one parent.

 

[poofyhairguy]

There are no studies that show children are worse off having more than two parents.

Exactly. There is nothing that shows that the optimal configuration ISN'T two parents. That is why I was saying the burden of proof is on the poly people.

Everyone will assume these relationships are worse than what we now know to the be optimal configuration (two parents) until proven otherwise. Social customs and norms will take the path of least resistance.

They need to get some long-term studies going and prove that poly lifestyles can raise children that have the same chance for success or higher. If they back up the lifestyle in regards to children, that could really change society.

 

[Red Storm]

What a stupid article. Using their logic it isn't natural to get married at all, or to drive cars, fly planes, watch TV, use a computer, etc.

 

[ThinClient]

Monogamy is the product of a socially evolved society or culture when that society is still biologically programmed to mate with as many mates as possible.

However, monogamy is actually natural. Swans, as an example, take a single mate for life. Even when their mate dyes, they will not mate with another. Can't get much more "natural" than that.

 

[irishScott]

What a stupid article. Using their logic it isn't natural to get married at all, or to drive cars, fly planes, watch TV, use a computer, etc.

That, and I love how they justfiy it with "only 3-5% of mammals practice monogamy!!!!" Yeah? And what percentage of mammals are sentient?

ZOMG it's completely natural to not be sentient! Back to Africa everybody!

 

[Vdubchaos]

Monogamy is the product of a socially evolved society or culture when that society is still biologically programmed to mate with as many mates as possible.

However, monogamy is actually natural. Swans, as an example, take a single mate for life. Even when their mate dyes, they will not mate with another. Can't get much more "natural" than that.

And then we have Prayingmentis hehe

 

[JM Aggie08]

You needed a half-assed article's approval to live your life the way you want to?

 

[rudder]

Of course it's unnatural.

You're supposed to spread your seed arround as much as possible. That's how your species gets stronger. That's how life works.

Why do you think sex feels so good?

I guess I should not complain about the welfare dad's who father 14+ children from different women.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I guess I should not complain about the welfare dad's who father 14+ children from different women.

Completely Natural!!!

Women raising their children on their own is completely natural as well.

:biggrin:

 

[BoberFett]

Exactly. There is nothing that shows that the optimal configuration ISN'T two parents. That is why I was saying the burden of proof is on the poly people.

Wrong. As the party claiming harm, you need to prove 3 or more parents is harmful.

 

[Rakehellion]

Nothing is "unnatural" because society is a product of evolution.

Some people decide to be monogamous, polyamorous, or asexual. Some people cheat, some don't. It's isn't that black-and-white and one solution doesn't work for everyone.

 

[SagaLore]

There are no studies that show children are worse off having more than two parents. The damage is done when there is only one parent.

That's not true. The damage is done when there is an abusive parent, or when there are no parents. If the one parent can't even parent their child because he/she has to work 2 jobs to support the kid, and the kid is being raised by day cares, then there is damage.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Wrong. As the party claiming harm, you need to prove 3 or more parents is harmful.

You are more than welcome to take that position, and in some sort of intellectual debate you are probably correct. But societies don't normally adhere to the standards of intellectual debate when creating norms and customs. Societies usually believe one thing and stick to it until proven wrong.

The world is flat and scary until it is proven that people don't fall off it. It is the center of the universe and we are super important until it is proven that the earth orbits the sun. And two parent households are seen as the best case situation for raising children until someone can show otherwise.

The only thing that I am "claiming" is that in western society there is a bias towards monogamy. No matter the reasons, or how justified these reasons are, children (and therefore monogamy) is put on a pedestal.

There is a reason the gay marriage movement holds up long-term monogamous couples as the primary benefactors to a changing of public policy. They know that these couples are the most palatable homosexual relationships to the American public due to that monogamy (and assumed suitability of raising children).

 

[OverVolt]

Haha I like the "animals naturally lick their butts too but I'm not going to start doing that either"

:awe:

 

[jlee]

Nothing is "unnatural" because society is a product of evolution.

Some people decide to be monogamous, polyamorous, or asexual. Some people cheat, some don't. It's isn't that black-and-white and one solution doesn't work for everyone.

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