Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Since the end of the Cold War, the hotspots and trouble areas across the radar screen are concentrated primarily in the Middle East...with North Korea thrown into the mix as well.
Iran...Iraq...North Korea...all were and arguably remain enemies of the United States.
Now in a perfect world, we would be able to engage these nations through diplomacy...but such a mindset assumes that all parties involved are rational actors...the leadership of Iran, Iraq under Saddam and North Korea were and remain completely irrational.
Is that enough justification to go to war...hard to say...precedence would certainly suggest that nations have gone to war over more trivial disagreements.
The NeoCons may be batshit insane, but that doesnt change the fact that there are some truly dangerous regimes in the world today, and perhaps it is in America's best interest to knock them out now before they have an opportunity to truly threaten us.
But I also believe that pre-emption is justifiable under certain conditions.
Since the end of the Cold War as well as during the Cold War the USA has been aiding and abetting dictatorships -- SADDAM HUSSEIN FOR EXAMPLE -- THE SHAH OF IRAN FOR ANOTHER -- that have destabilized the Middle East as well as other regions. Central America for another example. South America with the U.S. aided and abetted assassination of a democratically elected leader, Allende, that led to the military dictatorship of the USA installed Pinochet who oversaw the "disappearance" of THOUSANDS of Chileans during his brutal reign.
The USA and Soviet Union were the forces behind the war in Afghanistan that led to the TALIBAN. The USA aided and abetted OSAMA BIN LADEN.
You live in a fantasy world where the good guys wear white hats and are all good and the bad guys wear black hats and are all bad. You can believe the party line fantasies but please don't expect me to believe them too but the USA has plenty of dirt under its fingernails. And they're getting dirtier all the time.
It all depends what your viewpoint is and how much propaganda you're willing to swallow. For instance, if you actually believe that the U.S. led destruction of Iraq was a good thing there is no hope for you, you're probably too far gone already. Just keep taking your propaganda pills on time and don't forget to wash them down with plenty of that delicious Kool-Aid.
As much as I do not like to admit it, the US has been involved in a great many activities to oust or install political leaders when the climate suits us. The use of force to achieve political gains smacks of terrorism to me. Though as the aggressors, we "always" look out for the best interest (read Natural resources, or appointed Allies) of the countries we are tending to. I think our big problem is that we fear cultures that our not like ours. This causes us to seek out people that are willing for financial or political gain, to become our appointed champions where we are trying to do "The Right Thing?".
I don't think that the US should be the world police, not because it can't but because of the resentment it causes in the rest of the world. We, if needed, should use our military forces to become moderators in the international community. Certainly kicking down doors and killing "terrorists" makes for great new headlines, we are placing our military forces in unncessary danger. Our latest missteps will only add to the amount of people that will want retribution for the acts that have been carried out under the US name. When you let the hate fester for generations, you'll eventually discover precisely the situation we now have. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. If someone is willing to turn on their fellow countryman for personal gains, it will only be a matter of time before they will turn on you if something greater can be aquired.