Fair question: are atheists effeminate?

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busydude

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Trey Parker and Matt Stone have balls of steel to not cower in the face of numerous death threats from Muslim extremists. Although that has more to do with standing up for freedom of speech and defying censorship than 'promoting atheism'.

CC did cave in to the threats though...

According to the South Park Studios webpage, episode "201" was censored by Comedy Central after the studio delivered the episode, but before it was aired. The studio advises that the episode is not available online because they do not have network clearance to air the uncensored episode.
 

AnonymouseUser

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john 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Jesus wore a crown of thorns

Jesus wore a halo

Jesus walked on water

Jesus is the most high god

Jesus is an anthropomorphism of the sun, which is why his artist depictions always look similar to this (face in front of the sun):



The signs of the Zodiac are represented multiple times in the bible. The following are just a few examples:

Ezekiel 1:10
Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.

Revelation 4:7
The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.

Face of a man = Aquarius "The Water Bearer"
Face of a lion = Leo "The Lion"
Face of an ox = Taurus "The Bull"
Face of an eagle = Scorpio "The Scorpion\Eagle"

John 21:13
Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish.

Bread = Virgo "House of Bread" aka Bethlehem (literally translates to House of Bread)
Fish = Pisces "The Fishes"

The Age of Pisces began in 1AD. This is the time of Jesus. The Age of Aquarius (Neil Mann interpretation: begins AD 2150) is upon us, thus Jesus' time is up.

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micrometers

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Ever listen to the REM song "losing my religion"?

Losing a religion often comes with life setbacks.
 

cKGunslinger

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Fair question: are atheists effeminate?
Who are you to judge your own question "fair"? Arrogance and conceit in spades..
Ok, so before you exorciate me, let me explain the premise.
Ah, so you've already painted yourself the victim in your own question. A mildly clever tactic, but dishonest, nonetheless.
In spite of the glaring hypocrisies of so-called religious leaders,
And in one fell swoop, you have created a faultless group of people with which you can align yourself. If anyone should offer a counter-example, you simply dismiss them as "not real Christians." Another slimy tactic. One often employed by zealous religious defenders with little substance on which to fall back.
if you look at the history of religion you will see that some people have actually done some very heroic acts for their religion. For example, Jesus was basically flailed but he survived.
Source? The same fairy tale that decreed him Son of God and its own contents infallible? Hmm..
Early Christians were fed to lions and brutalized, yet they didn't recant.
Soldiers and operatives from nearly every nation have been captured, tortured and killed, yet didn't betray their countries/kings/families/friends. Loyalty to a belief is not purely the domain of the religious.
In spite of the corruption, some amazing and notable things have spawned from Christianity.
The same could be said for the Nazi regime. Should we champion it as well?
Now let's examine the flip side. When I say atheist and heroic, who do you picture?
No one. The same people I think of when I hear "left-handed and heroic" or "no cavities and heroic." How are these things related?
My exposure to atheists, up until creating this thread at least, have been surly, excessive grumblers and whiners who complain when their child has to say the pledge of allegiance in school.
I see you spend an inordinate amount of time on the internet performing "research," I suppose.
It's a fair but true question,
Again, such hubris.
what atheist has done something extraordinary or historic in the name of atheism?
Why does atheism need the extraordinary performed in its name? Why not ask what red-head has done something historic in the name of gingers? What chauffeur in the name of hired-driving? A pointless question, to be sure.
Just wondering if someone can enlighten me, because I haven't seen any yet.
I do believe it would take more than a random, Saturday night OT thread to help you become "enlightened." Don't you agree?
 

JackBurton

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You know, I don't know why people find it shocking that religious people have a hard time grasping a basic concept like Atheism. Religious people are dense, and for that reason is why they are religious in the first place. It is MUCH like trying to explain Atheism to someone retarded. You're just not going to get anywhere with it.
 

MtnMan

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Naw, we just don't believe in absurd fairy tales from the bronze age.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Ok, I'll respond.

I'm not really sure what you meant by the non sequitur statements. Whereas in my op I offered a legitimate premise, one that makes logical sense and offers concrete examples, in your response you simply say this is what it is, and no reason why. That's fine and I'm not mad at you, but I don't carry the same assumptions as you so you have to lay out your assumptions and premise behind statements like "you imply heroism is better than nonheroism." I'm not going to split hairs over the semantics and definitions of terms, because what I try and do is start out using common, widespread, and acceptable definitions of things such as "heroism is good. Our society values people who do the right thing and are selfless in helping people out, some in need or some in whatever scenario."
The only way I see your thread title relating to the first post in any way is if you assume that masculinity is associated in some way, with heroism, or selfless sacrifice, or whatever. I don't really agree with this; in fact, I would argue that a masculine society, what I linked to earlier, would be less likely to engage in such behavior. This is the kind of thing I mean. What I noted down are assumptions important to your argument that I don't believe are reasonable to hold. I realize they are somewhat redundant, but hey. It won't kill anyone to read the same thing twice.

For example, the one you specifically mentioned, that heroism is inherently better than non-heroism. To be entirely honest, I would rather have preferred it if all those early Christians had been eaten by the Roman lions and the Roman Empire had remained pagan. So while in many (even most) cases heroism is better than non-heroic, you will have to explain, in specific cases, why. Because I'm assuming that your argument is under the assumption (in my list, I believe) that masculinity is good and femininity is bad.

#4: making false generalizations about atheists. Where in my OP did I make a false generalization of atheists? I didn't. I asked a fair question hoping to elicit some responses, and I cited a real example of atheism as I have seen it in the media, which was: an atheist who complained because their child had to recite the pledge of allegiance with the phrase "under God." That's not a blanket statement.
Two separate claims here: that atheists under the label of atheism (as compared to atheists individually) are generally similar to what is portrayed in popular media; and that there is something wrong with complaining about the pledge of allegiance because it has the phrase "under God".

As to the first: I can't see a way this holds water. Atheists are portrayed in public media, through various polls, and anecdotal stories such as the one you reference, as being BAD. Atheists are the group least likely to be voted for as President of the United States, least likely to be allowed to marry into an American's family, etc. We vie for bottom place with homosexuals and scientologits. However, atheists as a group are more educated, more moral, more productive, and more tolerant than their Christian counterparts. I don't know about the Christians out there, but these are important factors (obviously not the only ones) in deciding whether someone is trustworthy. Moreover, this translates in practice in more secular areas of all sizes performing better politically, socially, and economically better than their more religious counterparts. This correlation can be found between different countries, between different states in the United States, and even different regions within a particular state.

For the second, this is, I believe, an individual issue. I don't live in the United States, and I don't have to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Personally, I don't feel comfortable swearing an oath with which I don't agree, and I feel it is the small end of the wedge to force religious preference into government policy.

#5: You said I'm making generalizations and inaccuracies about atheism, but it's ok for you to do the same about religion? You are a pot, calling a kettle black. You gloss over the benefits of belief and faith, at least I acknowledged the counter side of rhe argument.
Those benefits aren't exclusive to religion, though. Any society which offers support, community, and charity facilitates most of the positive benefit of contemporary religion. I acknowledge that religions now do not have the same power and negative influence that they once did, while their positive influence has increased if anything, but there are, as I said, ways to get the good without the bad. 'All' that's required is for people to give up their god. Easier said than done.

Edgell P, Gerteis J, Hartman D. Atheists as "Other": Moral Boundaries and Cultural Membership in American Society. Am Sociol Rev. 2006 Apr;71(2)221-24
Gallup Polls & Other Surveys on American Attitudes Towards Atheists [Internet] About.com. Available from http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigotryprejudice/a/AtheistSurveys.htm
Zuckerman P. Atheism, Secularity, and Well-Being: How the findings of Social Science Counter Negative Stereotypes and Assumptions. Sociology Compass. 2009 Dec;3(6)949-71
 

Mike Gayner

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Religious people do brave things all the time. Like strapping bombs to themselves and walking into crowds of people....
 

biostud

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we don't do it for atheism we do things for mankind. So your question should be,when have people been doing good things for each other because they were humans?
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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If you're following the news, you know that the major religions differ in their interpretation of the holy books. For example, one way to interpret God's will is that you should love your neighbor. An alternate reading of the holy books might lead you to rig a donkey cart with small mortar rockets and aim it at a hotel full of infidels. In summary, po-tay-to, poh-tah-to. Religions are very flexible.
 

Pia

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I have never heard of anyone ready to die for their absence of belief in unicorns.
This leads me to conclude everyone who doesn't believe in unicorns is a coward.
Fair question: are unicorn-unbelievers spineless in addition to being cowards?
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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I have never heard of anyone ready to die for their absence of belief in unicorns.
This leads me to conclude everyone who doesn't believe in unicorns is a coward.
Fair question: are unicorn-unbelievers spineless in addition to being cowards?

Religion is a cow. It gives milk, but it also kicks
 

lOl_lol_lOl

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Most of todays 'atheists' are pseudointellectuals incapable of going through the critical analysis that leads to their 'non-belief'. They fail to adhere to any belief system even if it is nonreligious. This is because they find self-assurance in assuming an infallible position of a non-believer due to absence of any evidence to suggest the presence of a deity.

They are naturally effeminate because they are submissive, they go with the flow and pander to popular opinion wherever and whenever. They defend only commonly held beliefs. Religion excluded, I would expect Dawkins to defend any position he upholds in a debate even if he is in the perceived weaker position.
 
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