Falkland War Part 2?

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ichy

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The United States should support Argentina against the UK here. There is no point in supporting european colonialist tendencies. The UK should have no rights to the Falkland Islands and if they don't give them up, then I would actually prefer that the US bomb the crap out of the UK and then take over London.

You have no clue what you're talking about. The Falklands were uninhabited until the British arrived, and they have been British territory since before Argentina was a country. The inhabitants of the Falkland Islands are British nationals, and they have no desire to be a part of Argentina. The UK stood up proudly for itself when it fought to retake them, and they deserve to be commended for that.
 

Red Dawn

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Well lets see, when we needed help after 9/11 who was the first country to stand by us and work with us over throwing the Taliban in Afghanistan, Argentina (Buwhahaha)?

Britain is our greatest Ally, of course we'd support them again.

BTW Britain could have wiped out the Argentine Military if she so wished to do so back then and definitely can today
 

Noobtastic

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LOL, seeing as how we funnel billions of dollars in undeserved aid to Israel it's no wonder they like us!

LOLZ!

aid to israel is the form of loan-based contracts that overwhelmingly benefit the US defense industry - creating 50,000 jobs for Americans.

israel has returned such aid with over 80 billion captured soviet tech, and acting as america's #1 ally in the middle east and the military.

you have no idea how much the US military apparatus has benefited and cooperated with the israelis.

and not just USA. India recently purchased 1 billion+ in israeli tech, and recruited hundreds of mossad agents to deal with their islamist pakistani-sponsored homicidal muslim trolls.

4,000 dead a year since 1991. in 2009, less than 90 killed.

now, the 30 billion a year spent on iraq, 1.5 billion give to egypt, 300 million given to the palestinians, 5 billion given to pakistan, and a whopping 40 billion for the afghanistan surge...well, cant say that's money well spent.
 

StageLeft

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The United States should support Argentina against the UK here. There is no point in supporting european colonialist tendencies. The UK should have no rights to the Falkland Islands and if they don't give them up, then I would actually prefer that the US bomb the crap out of the UK and then take over London.
This is a fantastic idea and I dearly hope that my kids can grow up in a world that sees the US and UK get into a full blown war, it would be an awesome future for everyone. If the US acts quickly perhaps it can nuke London right off the bat and put an end to those filthy Brits. I predict the US loses no more than half a dozen cities in the return fire. So that's a win-win!
 

ichy

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LOLZ!

aid to israel is the form of loan-based contracts that overwhelmingly benefit the US defense industry - creating 50,000 jobs for Americans.

Loans? The US GIVES (doesn't loan) Israel something like $3 billion per year.

israel has returned such aid with over 80 billion captured soviet tech

$80 billion? Until you can provide a source for this outlandish claim I'm going to assume you're a liar who makes up "facts."
 
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You have no clue what you're talking about. The Falklands were uninhabited until the British arrived, and they have been British territory since before Argentina was a country. The inhabitants of the Falkland Islands are British nationals, and they have no desire to be a part of Argentina. The UK stood up proudly for itself when it fought to retake them, and they deserve to be commended for that.

The islands should be given to Argentina or be administered under the UN. The British should not be rewarded for their rape of the entire world. It's time that justice is served. We cannot allow the most ravenous and bloodthirsty entity that ever existed on this planet (the British) to profit from their rape of the world.

It's time that the United States of America slap down their British dogs.
 

Noobtastic

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Loans? The US GIVES (doesn't loan) Israel something like $3 billion per year.

"Something like."

Wrong.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/foreign_aid.html

Between 1980-2009, the average was ~2.1 billion. About 10% of this "aid" is in the form of loan-based grants, while the rest is designed solely for hardware. 75% of all money must be spent inside the US, and over 1,000 companies are recipients of this aid - generating over 50,000 jobs in America.

Before 1967 Israel received barely any aid, token contributions mostly to absorb immigrants and or holocaust survivors. Except for a 3 billion aid to help settle immigrants, between 1960-1985, Israel strictly received loans (with a favorable interest rate), all of which have been repaid.

The argument behind aiding Israel was predicated on the belief that if Israel did not feel "secure" by having a qualitative edge over the Arab states, then war was most likely - wars that would cost the US far more than the money they spent aiding Israel.

So have as now Israel is the #3 foreign aid recipient, behind Pakistan and Iraq. But support for Pakistan is not permanent, and is not an annual thing. Since 2001 Pakistan has received about 16 billion in aid, and 600+ dead American soldiers.

Also note that a minority of aid was spent to pull out of Sinai (7 billion) and Gaza (2.5 billion.)


$80 billion? Until you can provide a source for this outlandish claim I'm going to assume you're a liar who makes up "facts."
Between 1974 and 1990, Israel received $18.3 billion in U.S. military grants, but, that in the same timeframe Israel provided the U.S. with $50-$80 billion in intelligence, research and development savings and Soviet weapons systems given to the U.S.
http://www.military-heat.com/46/black-ops-american-pilots-flying-russian-aircraft-cold-war/

http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=12828

Here's what your government has to say:


Senator Daniel Inouye

Israeli data on the Soviet military has saved the U.S. billions of dollars and that the contribution made by Israeli intelligence to America exceeds information provided by all NATO countries combined.
General George Keegan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence

Israel is worth five CIA’s.
Former Secretary of State and NATO forces Commander Alexander Haig

the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security
Arguments for cutting aid to Israel is inconsistent with military sentiment, and is generally based on ignorance and lack of understanding.

Those who say Israel's aid must be cut based on its military policies - this is a blatant double standard. Egypt has been complicit in supporting the Arab Islamists in Sudan, and has rendered its 4+ million Sudanese refugees to apartheid status. It also supports the Islamists in Somalia and has used US-supplied cargo planes to deliver aid and food.

Jordan is #1 torture country for the Middle East, and has stripped 20,000+ Palestinians of their citizenship.

Iraq has failed miserably in using their aid appropriately, much of it has been siphoned off to foreign bank accounts and the rest wasted. Same with Pakistan.

so people who single out Israel - when the Muslims receive far more aid without conditions (unlike Israel) tend to be either ignorant of America's foreign policy or Jew-bashers.
 
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CanOWorms

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This is true, and IHateViruses makes a good point about England's Muslim problem, but I think (and hope) that the relationship between the USA and the UK (especially England) is stronger than any one President or Prime Minister.

I don't think Australia and New Zealand hate America, although obviously liberalism has made some major inroads in both countries.

And every country should do what is best for itself and its citizens. I would hope that includes standing up for freedom and capitalism, but each country has to decide that for itself on each occasion.

The relationship is only there because of cultural ties. However, people with those cultural ties are turning into a minority. Our current president has no irrational love for all things British like our previous presidents have had. Americans with loyalties to the UK over the USA are losing their power.
 

piasabird

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I think if they had won the battle, that Britian would have just declared all-out war on Argentina, or the UN would have escalated the event. However, at the time I doubt that the USA would have gotten involved.

Darn French Missles.
 

KMFJD

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The islands should be given to Argentina or be administered under the UN. The British should not be rewarded for their rape of the entire world. It's time that justice is served. We cannot allow the most ravenous and bloodthirsty entity that ever existed on this planet (the British) to profit from their rape of the world.

It's time that the United States of America slap down their British dogs.

You are fucking retarded
 

ichy

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The islands should be given to Argentina or be administered under the UN. The British should not be rewarded for their rape of the entire world. It's time that justice is served. We cannot allow the most ravenous and bloodthirsty entity that ever existed on this planet (the British) to profit from their rape of the world.

It's time that the United States of America slap down their British dogs.

The English should keep the islands because they WON their war against Argentina, and winners should be rewarded and admired.
 
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The islands should be given to Argentina or be administered under the UN. The British should not be rewarded for their rape of the entire world. It's time that justice is served. We cannot allow the most ravenous and bloodthirsty entity that ever existed on this planet (the British) to profit from their rape of the world.

It's time that the United States of America slap down their British dogs.

Shouldn't we start with areas we took over where there are actually living people who have a rightful claim to the land? You know, like Australia and the US?

The USA has less claim to their land than the UK has to the Falkland Islands.
 
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The relationship is only there because of cultural ties. However, people with those cultural ties are turning into a minority. Our current president has no irrational love for all things British like our previous presidents have had. Americans with loyalties to the UK over the USA are losing their power.

I'd love for the US and the UK to get more separated when it comes to foreign policy because every fucking times the ties are yanked it's always the US doing the yanking. Need help going into Iraq, sure, we'll have the MI6 come up with some made up documents for you.

Hell we even went to Iraq even though our entire population was against it since there was no threat.
 
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I think if they had won the battle, that Britian would have just declared all-out war on Argentina, or the UN would have escalated the event. However, at the time I doubt that the USA would have gotten involved.

Darn French Missles.

I have family who was involved in the conflict and you're pretty much spot on.

Thatcher had bigger balls than all PM's combined have had since then. There were already a plan ready which members of the RAF knew of at the time.

Argentina would have been worse off than downtown Baghdad was when we entered the city.
 

ichy

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What exactly could the UK have done to Buenos Aires if they didn't use nukes (and I can't believe that Thatcher would've gone that far over the Falklands)? The British military in the early 1980s wasn't exactly equipped to project power on the other side of the world. it seems like the most effective thing they could've done would've been to blockade Argentina's ports. The sinking of the General Belgrano showed how utterly impotent the Argentine Navy was in the face of the UK's SSN fleet.
 
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What exactly could the UK have done to Buenos Aires if they didn't use nukes (and I can't believe that Thatcher would've gone that far over the Falklands)? The British military in the early 1980s wasn't exactly equipped to project power on the other side of the world. it seems like the most effective thing they could've done would've been to blockade Argentina's ports. The sinking of the General Belgrano showed how utterly impotent the Argentine Navy was in the face of the UK's SSN fleet.

There would be enough of planes in the air to obliterate any and all strategic targets.

You have to realise that as a war escalates, so do the means to fight it.

There was a projection of power doctrine from Thatcher that would have led to a ground invasion and yes, it would have been just as possible as the UK bringing troops to the ground half way around the earth 30 years before that.

Thatcher wasn't sane when it came to foreign politics, she was one of the last old school "Rule Brittania" people and as a PM she ruled with an iron fist in foreign affairs, she never budged one single millimeter.

If it had been the last option, yes, she would nuke the sheit out of Argentina.
 

CanOWorms

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I'd love for the US and the UK to get more separated when it comes to foreign policy because every fucking times the ties are yanked it's always the US doing the yanking. Need help going into Iraq, sure, we'll have the MI6 come up with some made up documents for you.

Hell we even went to Iraq even though our entire population was against it since there was no threat.

It should go beyond foreign policy.

Obama already vastly separated ties between the UK and the US. The UK press after Obama's election was full of fears of the decline of the so-called special relationship (especially after Obama didn't call it special, or when he returned the bust of that ignorant racist war criminal Churchill, lol). He has consistently snubbed British and even Europeans consistently (see the recent EU summit scrapped after Obama's snub).

Really, this is a pre-emptive strike. Obama, partly of Kenyan descent, would never be accepted as even an equal to European leaders.
 

alphatarget1

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I'd love for the US and the UK to get more separated when it comes to foreign policy because every fucking times the ties are yanked it's always the US doing the yanking. Need help going into Iraq, sure, we'll have the MI6 come up with some made up documents for you.

Hell we even went to Iraq even though our entire population was against it since there was no threat.

The UK is our 52nd state
 
Jun 26, 2007
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The UK is our 52nd state

We're going to have a new election soon so well see about that, from Blair to Brown though, yes indeed. More than that, we have been your bitch to do with as you please, including sticking our tounge up your arse as we handed you knowingly forged documents.

Yellow Cake, you know, there are people who STILL believe in that hoax.

It's like they didn't get that that april fools was over in 2003.
 
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It should go beyond foreign policy.

Obama already vastly separated ties between the UK and the US. The UK press after Obama's election was full of fears of the decline of the so-called special relationship (especially after Obama didn't call it special, or when he returned the bust of that ignorant racist war criminal Churchill, lol). He has consistently snubbed British and even Europeans consistently (see the recent EU summit scrapped after Obama's snub).

Really, this is a pre-emptive strike. Obama, partly of Kenyan descent, would never be accepted as even an equal to European leaders.

Apart from the UK press being very cheery after the election... well you are wrong on all of the rest too, of course. That is what happens when you make shit up all of the time though so don't be depressed about it. A fanciful imagination is a rare thing and your's is as fanciful as if you were stuck in an LSD trip while doing meth.

Seriously though, no one gives a fuck about you and your fantasies but your hubby Rabid, well maybe the guys who want to nuke egypt will lend their ear because they are as fucked in the head as you are but other than that... heh...
 

CanOWorms

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Apart from the UK press being very cheery after the election... well you are wrong on all of the rest too, of course. That is what happens when you make shit up all of the time though so don't be depressed about it. A fanciful imagination is a rare thing and your's is as fanciful as if you were stuck in an LSD trip while doing meth.

Seriously though, no one gives a fuck about you and your fantasies but your hubby Rabid, well maybe the guys who want to nuke egypt will lend their ear because they are as fucked in the head as you are but other than that... heh...

Sorry, but that stuff is well publicized.

Busted: The Churchill Flap
http://www.newsweek.com/id/185839

The British press's Obama complex
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27611.html

The local press claimed that Obama confided in aides that while he found former Prime Minister Tony Blair impressive, he thought Brown was boring, and dismissed Tory leader David Cameron as “a lightweight.”

While Obama’s predecessor George W. Bush went to great lengths to highlight his affection for Blair – earning the president generally favorable treatment, while the prime minister was frequently caricatured as the American’s poodle – the British press breathlessly reported on an array of alleged slights of Brown during Obama’s first 100 days as president.

Let's not forget the infamous gift exchange affair, too:

When Brown visited in March, he gave Obama a pen holder carved from the wood of the 19th century British warship HMS President and a first-edition of Sir Martin Gilbert’s seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill. Obama reciprocated with 25 DVDs of American movie classics – “a gift about as exciting as a pair of socks,” whined a Daily Mail columnist.

declared the Obama’s reception of the Browns “appalling” and “rudeness personified” and concluded “All in all, (Obama) doesn’t think much of us.”

EU summit scrapped after Obama 'snub'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8496798.stm

The event in Madrid in May was to have been the highlight of Spain's six-month EU presidency, and the cancellation is seen as a humiliating blow.

Obama is showing the Europeans where they belong in American interests. The British tortured his grandfather and celebrate the man in charge during the affair. I think that he understands that the United States cannot be associated with "the West" anymore. A fundamental realignment of American alliances and interests is vital to our future. America's future is not with a continent in a serious decline - by population, culture, military, economy, politically, etc. New alliances will be made, and that will require becoming enemies of several European countries as they get gobbled up by their former slaves.
 
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Sorry, but that stuff is well publicized.

Busted: The Churchill Flap
http://www.newsweek.com/id/185839

The British press's Obama complex
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27611.html



Let's not forget the infamous gift exchange affair, too:





EU summit scrapped after Obama 'snub'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8496798.stm



Obama is showing the Europeans where they belong in American interests. The British tortured his grandfather and celebrate the man in charge during the affair. I think that he understands that the United States cannot be associated with "the West" anymore. A fundamental realignment of American alliances and interests is vital to our future. America's future is not with a continent in a serious decline - by population, culture, military, economy, politically, etc. New alliances will be made, and that will require becoming enemies of several European countries as they get gobbled up by their former slaves.

I don't know if i should just laugh or be acutely worried about your sanity or perhaps both?

You're like Palin, good for a laugh but not much more than that.
 

CanOWorms

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I don't know if i should just laugh or be acutely worried about your sanity or perhaps both?

You're like Palin, good for a laugh but not much more than that.

You should probably have some nervous laughter. It helps diffuse tension such as this case when you've been proven wrong.
 
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