Falklands War part 2?

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Veliko

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Of course it is. Talk of the topic, not the posters. I can find many idiotic posts from you that would suggest various bias from you (mainly white supremacist), but I'm not. Why? Because it has no direct bearing on the topic. This forum is about politics and news, not posters of politics and news.

You need to stop making the threads about yourself if you don't people to treat you like that.
 

MotF Bane

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Yup. Infohawk just has his own personal vendettas and he'll do anything to constantly derail threads and turn them into a 'personal soap opera' (I like that term for him). Even this thread is evidence of his soap opera tendencies.

One time he even accused me of being off-topic in a thread for talking about an off topic subject when only one person brought up the off topic subject and nobody else commented on it except for Infohawk! It was a good example of his attempt to turn everything into his own personal soap opera. He has even tried with this thread, but I try not to let him ruin everything that he posts in.

I don't think Infohawk is the topic here. I'm still waiting for you to provide proof on several open lines of discussion.
 
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Can you stick to the topic rather than attacking other posters please.

I would like to stick to the topic. I usually do, but sometimes it's difficult when someone is intentionally derailing the thread. You need to point it out in order to get back to the actual issues on hand.

Can you please stick to the topic as well? I would appreciate it.
 
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I don't think Infohawk is the topic here. I'm still waiting for you to provide proof on several open lines of discussion.

I don't think that any poster should ever be the issue. However, what open lines of discussion do we have? This is what you last said:

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You spend far too much time bitching about perceived "racism", not enough time providing substance and proof, and I'll not waste my time further on you.

So, what is open now? You are just talking about me and didn't comment on any of my points.

Feel free to bring up a new issue, but you closed all of the issues on your own.
 

CanOWorms

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It seems that Argentina's plan on making the Malvinas difficult to maintain is starting to show.

A shortage of eggs

But you can't get eggs and you can't get vegetables. South America once traded happily with the islanders, supplying all their needs. But Buenos Aires has been working hard to cut the islands off.

Recently, Argentina persuaded other South American countries to turn away from their ports Falklands-flagged vessels. Ships rounding Cape Horn heading for the Falklands are routinely stopped, searched and delayed, so much so that merchant vessels have largely given up trying.

Argentina has also restricted air traffic. There is one flight a week from Chile. Argentina won't allow more than this to pass through its airspace. Now Argentina is threatening to close even this last link with mainland South America.

I've been thinking that Cristina Fernández should be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize. This might be a peaceful method of forcing the dismantling of the British Empire.
 

WelshBloke

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I would like to stick to the topic. I usually do, but sometimes it's difficult when someone is intentionally derailing the thread. You need to point it out in order to get back to the actual issues on hand.

Can you please stick to the topic as well? I would appreciate it.

I am, You might want to reply to some of my points.
 
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It seems that Argentina's plan on making the Malvinas difficult to maintain is starting to show.

A shortage of eggs



I've been thinking that Cristina Fernández should be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize. This might be a peaceful method of forcing the dismantling of the British Empire.

Fascinating. It really just shows how the UK has no connection to the Malvinas and how Argentina with South America behind it can make the Malvinas nonviable for the UK.

I hope that they also cut off the air link or at least charge a tremendous amount of money for it.
 

Veliko

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I've been thinking that Cristina Fernández should be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize. This might be a peaceful method of forcing the dismantling of the British Empire.

Merely minutes after complaining about the attention you were getting, you are back seeking attention.
 

MotF Bane

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It seems that Argentina's plan on making the Malvinas difficult to maintain is starting to show.

A shortage of eggs



I've been thinking that Cristina Fernández should be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize. This might be a peaceful method of forcing the dismantling of the British Empire.

A Nobel Peace Prize for nearly provoking a war and making the citizens of the islands suffer in an effort to seize territory from another nation to satisfy one's own nation's desire for colonization? The Nobel has gone downhill of late, but that'd really be the last straw for it. No chance she deserves it.
 

CanOWorms

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Fascinating. It really just shows how the UK has no connection to the Malvinas and how Argentina with South America behind it can make the Malvinas nonviable for the UK.

I hope that they also cut off the air link or at least charge a tremendous amount of money for it.

I'm hoping it's a last resort. It's a very powerful bargaining chip.
 

WelshBloke

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Fascinating. It really just shows how the UK has no connection to the Malvinas and how Argentina with South America behind it can make the Malvinas nonviable for the UK.

I hope that they also cut off the air link or at least charge a tremendous amount of money for it.

From the article


Ships rounding Cape Horn heading for the Falklands are routinely stopped, searched and delayed, so much so that merchant vessels have largely given up trying.

Shows how little the Argentinians think of civil rights.
 

Veliko

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Ideas are different than people.

Another meaningless handful of words.

If you are seeking this attention on purpose then I pity you. If you want to create a character on the Internet at least make one that is witty, amusing or original.

If none of this is on purpose then, well, have you ever kissed a girl?
 

CanOWorms

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A Nobel Peace Prize for nearly provoking a war and making the citizens of the islands suffer in an effort to seize territory from another nation to satisfy one's own nation's desire for colonization? The Nobel has gone downhill of late, but that'd really be the last straw for it. No chance she deserves it.

I characterize it completely differently. She has repeatedly stated that she wishes no war, decrying the militarization of the South Atlantic.

She is showing a model for the peaceful dismantling of the Empire. This can be replicated elsewhere in the world.
 

MotF Bane

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Recently, Argentina persuaded other South American countries to turn away from their ports Falklands-flagged vessels. Ships rounding Cape Horn heading for the Falklands are routinely stopped, searched and delayed, so much so that merchant vessels have largely given up trying.

If the Argentinians are making these seizes in international waters, then they are committing acts of piracy, even acts of war, and other countries need to send naval vessels into the area to ensure the freedom of the seas is protected.
 

MotF Bane

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I characterize it completely differently. She has repeatedly stated that she wishes no war, decrying the militarization of the South Atlantic.

She is showing a model for the peaceful dismantling of the Empire. This can be replicated elsewhere in the world.

She is showing a model for how to make the citizens of the island suffer for her country's imperial ambitions. That isn't peaceful, that is not humanitarian, that's aggression from a country too militarily weak to enforce its desires.
 
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I characterize it completely differently. She has repeatedly stated that she wishes no war, decrying the militarization of the South Atlantic.

She is showing a model for the peaceful dismantling of the Empire. This can be replicated elsewhere in the world.

If Argentina can resolve this through diplomatic and economic means, then it would be a great accomplishment, especially in light of the 1982 war. It can show that diplomacy and economics can get you a just position. I think that an example this would then be used by other countries. If used elsewhere, then I think that she may very well be awarded the NPP.

Though I do feel that the Nobel Prize is nothing special, but that's for another thread.
 
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Depends if they are using the same rules for everyone. You are non-discriminatory aren't you?

I think that countries can inspect cargo from any country based on whatever they want.

For example, I would be fine if Argentina only does this for Malvinas-bound vessels and also for UK vessels. That would be fine.
 

WelshBloke

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If Argentina can resolve this through diplomatic and economic means, then it would be a great accomplishment, especially in light of the 1982 war. It can show that diplomacy and economics can get you a just position. I think that an example this would then be used by other countries. If used elsewhere, then I think that she may very well be awarded the NPP.

Though I do feel that the Nobel Prize is nothing special, but that's for another thread.


Even if I agreed with Argentina's position and wanted the UK to give up the Islands there's no way I would call economic bullying a great achievement.
 

CanOWorms

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She is showing a model for how to make the citizens of the island suffer for her country's imperial ambitions. That isn't peaceful, that is not humanitarian, that's aggression from a country too militarily weak to enforce its desires.

This is a model of how a country that is currently weaker than another can force a withdrawal. No war, no loss of lives. I imagine that Fernández's actions are being quietly talked about among ministers and cabinet officials throughout the developing world.

Is life more difficult for the residents? Sure, but that is on the UK. Nobody is forced to trade with anyone else. Moreover, the UK can decide to make up for any loss of products by spending an exorbitant amount of money.
 

WelshBloke

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I think that countries can inspect cargo from any country based on whatever they want.

For example, I would be fine if Argentina only does this for Malvinas-bound vessels and also for UK vessels. That would be fine.

Indeed they can but rules are supposed to be applied to everyone equally.

Do you think the UK navy should stop all Argentinian vessels and search them for drugs?
 
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Indeed they can but rules are supposed to be applied to everyone equally.

Do you think the UK navy should stop all Argentinian vessels and search them for drugs?

No, rules like these are not supposed to be applied to everyone equally. Even the UK doesn't apply all of its rules evenly. Do you think countries treat North Korea the same as France?

The UK navy could probably stop an Argentine vessel if it's in UK waters. They can search them for drugs. However, that isn't likely since Argentina isn't going to need to go through UK waters, but obviously the UK or some other related vessel is going through Argentine waters.
 
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Even if I agreed with Argentina's position and wanted the UK to give up the Islands there's no way I would call economic bullying a great achievement.

It would be a peaceful achievement. And it would be great if it accomplishes a just resolution. Considering history and current actions, I think that it could be a NPP type of act if other nations follow suit, too.
 
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