Fall Creators Update (v1709) - FPS gains?

[nathanddrews]

EDIT - I have changed the title to have a question mark after "FPS gains" due to all the conflicting reports. So far, it would seem that some configurations see large gains, but most high-end systems see nothing.
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At first glance, Windows 10 Creators Update appears to offer some exciting FPS gains to games. I expect to see more thorough analysis come out in the next few days, please contribute sources if you find them! Some big gains, plus the addition of a GPU usage graph in Task Manager among other game-centric updates.

Joker Productions YouTube has several benchmarks showing significant gains across the board to both minimum and average frame rates with the RX Vega56

Arkham Knight: ~1%
Deus Ex: +20%
Wildlands: +18%
Rainbow 6: +20%
Shadow of War: +17%
Division: +17%

Spoiler: Video results

DSO Gaming says the update has completely eliminated Forza 7 stuttering:
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/windo...-fixes-forza-motorsport-7s-stuttering-issues/

 

[Carfax83]

I posted this in the PC gaming forum. So far, the new Creators Fall update completely eliminated the stuttering I had when the Witcher 3 was installed on my 960 Pro with the Creators Spring update. However, the stuttering only occurred on my 960 Pro for whatever reason. On my 850 Pro it was absolutely fine.

Just installed Mass Effect Andromeda as well, and it seems to run smoother than it did with the Creators Spring update. However, that's not saying much as I never really had any FPS issues with Mass Effect Andromeda so I never paid attention to the FPS output to make any truly valid comparison other than it "feels smoother."

 

[nathanddrews]

I posted this in the PC gaming forum.

Thanks a lot, forum search... LOL

I'm really hoping for some deep dive review to determine what Microsoft did with this update. I noticed in Joker's video that GPU usage (1-2%) and frequencies (20-70MHz) were slightly lower, yet yielded higher frames. It's hard to gauge without hard numbers, but the CPU usage looked higher across the cores.

 

[Carfax83]

It's possible that the Vega GPUs may be more affected by the update than other GPUs, although reading the comments in that YouTube video, NVidia owners have reported gains as well; just not as much as Joker. I remember when the Spring Creators update first became available, AMD showed larger than normal gains as well.

Or it could be that Joker screwed something up in the configuration somehow. I definitely agree we need more testing to shed some light on this. I'm seriously considering installing Deus Ex MD again, as that's one of the games Joker saw a large increase in.

 

[nathanddrews]

Yeah, I know that Joker came under some scrutiny a while back (Ryzen launch?) for showing some more significant gains than other reviewers, but that could have all been some of that YouTube drama to stir up views. At the end of the day, what matters more than anything is whether or not we gamers (as individuals) see a benefit or not. I'm going to try it out with some other games of my own and see what happens.

 

[Carfax83]

Bang4BuckPC Gamer did a test (his handle is a misnomer because he uses a high end rig) with a 5960x and a GTX 1080 Ti at 1440p and he couldn't find any differences. Honestly, it would be strange if Windows 10 Creators FU increased performance as much as Joker is reporting, as the optimizations that Microsoft put into the update were primarily to reduce stuttering.

 

[EXCellR8]

I'd be pretty stoked for a jump in frames with Deus Ex... the Criminal Past DLC had all sorts of drops when I ran the Polaris card. Really looking forward to seeing how Vega handles it.

 

[Carfax83]

I'd be pretty stoked for a jump in frames with Deus Ex... the Criminal Past DLC had all sorts of drops when I ran the Polaris card. Really looking forward to seeing how Vega handles it.

Have you upgraded Windows 10 yet? If you haven't, make sure you do some benches before so you can compare afterwards.

 

[Head1985]

Bang4BuckPC Gamer did a test (his handle is a misnomer because he uses a high end rig) with a 5960x and a GTX 1080 Ti at 1440p and he couldn't find any differences. Honestly, it would be strange if Windows 10 Creators FU increased performance as much as Joker is reporting, as the optimizations that Microsoft put into the update were primarily to reduce stuttering.

I have even fps decrease in deus ex.Joker have again fantasy numbers like with ryzen vs 7700k....

 

[Carfax83]

I have even fps decrease in deus ex.Joker have again fantasy numbers like with ryzen vs 7700k....

It's not just him saying it though. Quite a few other people are saying it. I want a legit review site to take a look at this.

 

[Det0x]

Magical windows 10 patch for Vega ?

Atleast the naysaysers were correct about there not being a magical driver update

 

[geoxile]

Magical windows 10 patch for Vega ?

Atleast the naysaysers were correct about there not being a magical driver update

I'd give it till the end of year drivers where they move to a new branch.

 

[moonbogg]

This update fixed the insane Rocketleague stutters I was having. All the gaming features are pretty great as well. Awesome update so far. Very nice. I didn't notice any FPS increase since everything is usually pegged at 100hz anyway. I know, its a special kind of suffering.

 

[Guru]

Wish Anandtech was a tech site again and actually did tests like this. Not some worthless crappy articles on keyboards and mouses.

 

[UglyDuckling]

Are AMD GPU's affected across the board? or just Vega ?

 

[EXCellR8]

a little surprised but Deus Ex doesn't run very well at all; I even got a display driver crash that indicated Vega was either overheating or suffered a general graphics fault. everything else so far has been smooth as butter but Deus was pretty janky @ Ultra settings. it may have been the Temporal AA but regardless I'm actually pretty disappointed with how the game performed. any thoughts? I am running the latest drivers for Vega 64... but they are beta drivers. Are those the only flavor AMD is going to release from now on?

 

[TheELF]

Thanks a lot, forum search... LOL

I'm really hoping for some deep dive review to determine what Microsoft did with this update. I noticed in Joker's video that GPU usage (1-2%) and frequencies (20-70MHz) were slightly lower, yet yielded higher frames. It's hard to gauge without hard numbers, but the CPU usage looked higher across the cores.

If you watch the video you will see how crapy CS:go runs on it's own,because the devs put all the rendering threads(supposed to be background work) on the same priority as the game thread...
At ~4:15 I put the main thread to time critical priority and the result is that context switches get cut in half raising FPS and making the game much smoother.
The fall update, I guess ,somehow realises which threads are important giving them more resources.
Video of BC (before creators)

And pic of AD (after creators)
Now with the CSGO exe running at normal I have the same context switches as I had when running the exe at time critical before the update.

Awesome! This together with Dx12 giving decent boosts to lower core count CPUs and duals will be with us for many years still.

 

[railven]

Welps, I'm getting a worse experience with Ys7 after updating.

Prior to updating (this morning), I had zero stutter. Game was locked to 60 FPS. After the update, MSI AB still reads 60 FPS, but game is noticeably stuttering Even my wife sees it

But I also jumped from NV 382.xx driver to current. And I updated MSI AB to Beta 19 from Beta 12. So not sure if any of these additional steps tie in.

So first taste of new fall update is bad.

 

[railven]

Well this is terrible. The game becomes basically unplayable for me.

Tried disabling MSI AB/RTSS see if the hooks were causing any issues, and no change. Gonna roll back to my previous Driver and see if that affects anything.

EDIT: To describe what I'm getting, Ys 7 is a PSP Port, so it's not choking up my system. Due to the limits of the port I'm running it at 2560x1440 @ 60.

The stuttering doesn't happen in a more "stressful" scene. I can be standing in one area, stutter free, then move and the stutter starts.

Or I can run in circles in the same area and watch the stuttering start. I normally play these older titles with my PC set to the Power Saving option. Switching it to High Performance made no difference, stuttering still kicked in after a bit. The time of when it starts to stutter varies.

 

[railven]

Rolling back to 382.05 fixed my issue. Not sure what may have changed with the drivers, but woof was that stuttering unbearable. Back to Ys 7.

 

[ZGR]

Fall Creators also has a significant FPS drop for R6 players who suffer from the 100% CPU bug (i5 users). Not many Rainbow Six Siege players here but just adding this here

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ys 7 for PC? Tell me more. I was a HUGE fan of that series, on the TurboDuo versions.

 

[CPUGuy]

Bang4BuckPC Gamer did a test (his handle is a misnomer because he uses a high end rig) with a 5960x and a GTX 1080 Ti at 1440p and he couldn't find any differences. Honestly, it would be strange if Windows 10 Creators FU increased performance as much as Joker is reporting, as the optimizations that Microsoft put into the update were primarily to reduce stuttering.

I have even fps decrease in deus ex.Joker have again fantasy numbers like with ryzen vs 7700k....

I'm confused here. Are we talking about Joker's results using a RX Vega 56 or are we talking about a 1080 TI? Because it comes off like you are saying that Joker reviewed a 1080 TI and you posted this video to counter Joker's results. Implying they aren't valid because your video shows no performance improvement for the 1080 TI.

I thought Joker used a RX Vega 56. And what you posted just shows that a 1080 TI didn't benefit from the OS update.

 

[Muhammed]

Joker continues his habbit of being a huge waste of time when it comes to numbers, first was the Ryzen fiasco and now this!

Hardwareunboxed/Techspot tested Vega 64 with several CPUs and found no gaind whatsoever with the update, infact he found Game Mode to hurt performance not increase it.

https://youtu.be/3E8_Ey1pKOM

 

[amenx]

Gamernexus hasnt found anything worthwhile either on ryzen + 1080ti combo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMU-ZFDwJW8