Family And GF Oppose Gun Purchase..

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Oh i do get your point (and agree with you, mostly), it's just that you said "NEVER take an ultimatum from a woman" and you were wrong.

Can you admit you were wrong or do we have to keep going back and forth until we get banned for quote nesting?

Nope. I will never take an ultimatum from a woman. Never have (well, since the first GF who walked all over me), never will.

You're a stubborn twit, aren't you?

So if you asked if you could fuck her sister and she said no you'd do it just because you "NEVER take and ultimatum from a woman"?

Seriously, you're wrong and i'm right, get used to it, it's not like it's the first time.

If I wanted to fsck her sister I wouldn't be in the relationship.

If I asked her, I would hope she would have the backbone to break up with me on the spot after making sure I wasn't joking.

And if I DID want a relationship with a woman who lets me fsck her sister, I'd marry a swinger.

I will do what I want. Who I am with will accept me for what and who I am just as I will accept them for what and who they are. I will not be changed through threats nor will I change someone else using threats and intimidation.

You're fucked in the head, that much is for sure.

You don't want to admit that the ultimatum of not screwing someone other than your wife is an ultimatum she might pose, so FUCKING WHAT if you's leave her, it's still a fucking ultimatum.

And you shouldn't accept that from any woman so you would have to be alone for the rest of your life because you don't accept ANY ultimatum.

Don't you get it, every fucking couple in this entire world is that way, there are things you CAN'T DO and that is the ultimatum, if you do it she will leave you and if you ask first she will make this ultimatum, don't tell me you're too fucking daft to get this after this explanation?

Now see? You say "can't do" (ultimatum) and I say "won't do" (agreement).

So you can insult me all day long, but I'm right and it kills you.

The only daft one here is you who cannot understand the difference between an ultimatum (threat) and a mutual agreement.

I give up, you're an arrogant little twat that can't admit it when he's wrong and too fucking stupid to have this discussion with in the first place.

Cheerio.

Thank you for the insults but you're still wrong. "Do this or else" is NO WAY to maintain a healthy relationship. I do NOT threaten my partners and if they try to threaten me, I walk.

If you think a healthy relationship requires threats you're either a whipped pussy or an abusive asshole.

Either way, you're wrong.

I'm wrong?

Ok, when at home i see about ten women i wouldn't mind fucking with my wifes permission, if i ask her every single fucking time and she says no and i ask her what would happen and she says she'd leave me she's made an ultimatum. Can't have that, right?

I can't believe you can't get this, i honestly think you are playing daft because no one can be that stupid.

There wouldn't be ONE couple in this world if there weren't such a thing as compromise, now you may be very young, i don't know, but compromises are based on sacrifices that you both make and if you don't, then an ultimatum will be produced, you can't sleep with other women and if you do i will leave you is an ultimatum and pretty much ALL couples do have ultimatums posed towards each other.

It's the way it works as a couple, i assume you've never experienced that?

Again, you find it impossible to discern between a mutual agreement and an ultimatum.

Come back when you can.

You're going to have to expand on this because i don't get what you are saying, if she says she will leave it's an ultimatum, per what you said regerding the OP, now you are saying it's not?

So what if it's a different reason, an ultimatum is an ultimatum and NO man or woman should ever agree to it, they should just do as they please or they will get walked all over, right?

I really don't get your point here.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Finalnight

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Finalnight
it is made for one purpose: to kill. The only reason to own one is that you want to be prepared to one day use it to end the life of someone or something.

Hardly. Have you ever gone to the range just to shoot some targets? It's actually a lot of fun. It's one of those things that looks a lot easier than it really is. I suggest that you do if you haven't, because guns are not inherently dangerous weapons of death. The best definition is that they are tools, but you can have good safe fun with them too in a responsible manner. There's no reason to be afraid of them. I've introduced gun-fearing individuals to firearms and so far all of them love it, and are no longer afraid of them.

Explain why you attached my username to a quote I didn't make.

It's easy to miss a quote tag in a hurry, happens all the time.

 

[SunnyD]

Ask her what exactly the problem is. If it's "safety" or "inexperience", offer up to go to the range with her in tow so you can both get used to what using a gun is like. I have a sneaking feeling once she starts shooting stuff, she'll want one for herself. Once she is comfortable that you are responsible enough to handle a gun, I don't think there would be much of a problem. That's not saying that you have to make her like guns, but that she will be more comfortable with her fears of you having one around.

 

[octopus41092]

Theres actually one episode of 30 Days on this. It shows all the reasons as to why you should get a gun and how as long as you use it responsibly it's perfectly fine to have a gun. Heres the link on Hulu

http://www.hulu.com/watch/25712/30-days-gun-nation

Show it to them.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: octopus41092
Theres actually one episode of 30 Days on this. It shows all the reasons as to why you should get a gun and how as long as you use it responsibly it's perfectly fine to have a gun. Heres the link on Hulu

http://www.hulu.com/watch/25712/30-days-gun-nation

Show it to them.

Then show them this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

heheh

 

[BurnItDwn]

When I bought my gun, I didn't ask my GF or family for permission, I just went and bought the damn gun after firing a rental of the same model at the range, and trying 3 other calibers.

What you do with your money and what you keep at your house is YOUR decision.

 

[thraashman]

Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

I'd say get the dog.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

A dog is not a tool, it's a living animal with a mind of it's own. And if she had a problem with it that's still her problem, not mine. I'm getting the dog.

Bad comparison. If you want a comparison make it a chainsaw or a nailgun - that would make sense.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

I'd say get the dog.

Ditto. The dog will never tell you that if you date that skank that he'll leave you for the neighbor.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
When I bought my gun, I didn't ask my GF or family for permission, I just went and bought the damn gun after firing a rental of the same model at the range, and trying 3 other calibers.

What you do with your money and what you keep at your house is YOUR decision.

IMO, if your GF doesn't want you to keep a gun you should at the very least seriously consider acquiescing.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

I'd say get a cat instead.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

so you're saying if this was a dog, we would agree with the gf or what? your post makes no sense.

my answer would still stay the same...the girl is a controlling bitch. i'm sure most of the other posters would still agree.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

so you're saying if this was a dog, we would agree with the gf or what? your post makes no sense.

my answer would still stay the same...the girl is a controlling bitch. i'm sure most of the other posters would still agree.

more like if she was a vegan and issued an ultimatum that if he ate meat, shed leave.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Just buy it. Easier to get forgiveness after than permission before.

I own a few guns from when I was growing up. I bought an XD9 last summer and didn't ask the wife. It turns out that she wasn't thrilled when she found out. Finally after about 8 months, I got her to go to the range with me last week. She shot 20 rounds in my Beretta U22 Neos and 1 round in my XD9SC. (wasn't a fan of the recoil) I had to fight her a bit to go to the range with me and she wasn't comfortable with the other people there shooting weapons....but as we were driving home she said, "maybe I'll shoot the 9mm more next time..."

:thumbsup:

Progress can be made. By the way, I recommend checking out the Springfield XD9mms. There's XDM models that hold 19 rounds in the magazine. They'll run you $490-600 depending on what you get.

9mm is a good size because rounds are cheap (here they're $8.97/50 rounds @ Walmart). If you go any bigger than that .40 or .45 cal, you'll end up investing a lot more in ammo if you do any range practice. $3-9/box more adds up fast over the life of the gun.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

so you're saying if this was a dog, we would agree with the gf or what? your post makes no sense.

my answer would still stay the same...the girl is a controlling bitch. i'm sure most of the other posters would still agree.

more like if she was a vegan and issued an ultimatum that if he ate meat, shed leave.

Furthermore, the problem here is the OP talks to his loved ones too often to begin with. Why do they need to know about your hobbies before you get them. It's better to get informed so when they tell you no, you can set them straight on the fact that guns are safe when handled correctly...and that everyone else in the country is buying one right now...it's best to not be the only one without some protection.

 

[SZLiao214]

Set them up to be burgled

 

[eits]

put the gun to her head and tell her to like the choice you made. that ought to do the trick.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: thraashman
Ok. So, let's change this just a tiny bit to show a point. Let's say I'm in this same situation, but instead of a gun I want to get a dog. My family says I shouldn't get a dog for whatever reason. And my girlfriend is afraid of dogs due to something that happened when she was a kid. Now, I really want a dog, and a big dog at that. I love dogs and I find her fear unreasonible. But she says if I do get a dog she won't come over anymore.

Now, I can say with what is probably a fair estimate, that 80% of the guys in this thread who are telling the op to dump her or get the gun anyway or she's controlling, would had this thread never existed, tell me I shouldn't get the dog.

This is why the term "gun nut" is used. Because you're reasonible human beings in many situations, but when it comes to guns you're fucking psycho nutcases!

My guns don't need to be fed, let out, brought in, walked, and they don't stink when they're wet. The affect they have on my roommate is - well, there isn't one. Can't say the same for dogs.

 

[Duddy]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Since you posted this thread on ATOT, I'm going to have to agree with your girlfriend and family. You really shouldn't get a gun. You aren't mature enough.

Ya kid, you could shoot you eye out!

Merry Christmas! Ho... Ho... Ho!!

 

[roid450]

Originally posted by: eits
put the gun to her head and tell her to like the choice you made. that ought to do the trick.

Take that advice OP ^^^ , problem solved

 

[Pegun]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: dahunan
give us some background on the value of this relationship to you and how long you been together etc

If they are just trying to turn you into a super liberal then tell them eff off

Tell them it is either your life or that of the person assaulting you?

At this moment he should know there is NO value to it if she is going to issue ultimatums to control his actions. He needs to buy the gun and if she doesn't want to come over anymore he needs to go find someone else. If he caves to this kind of BS when she is only a GF he will be a complete loser the rest of his life if he ever marries her.

OR you could NOT be a dick, skip the pointless toy, and not make the person you love afraid.

Seriously, you must be pretty insecure to say something like that in this situation. This isn't like she's issuing ultimatums because he wants to eat pizza tonight. He wants to do something that will make her feel unsafe every time she sees him. She has every right to put her foot down about it.

If the op absolutely has to compensate for his penis anxiety, he has every right to leave his gf, but that's HIS necrotic problem, not her's. She's not the bad guy in this situation.

As for reasoning with her, it makes a lot more sense to be worried about an actual inexperienced and self-admitted paranoid guy with a gun in the house than it does to be worried about the possibility of a guy with a gun in the house. Who's being unreasonable again?

A gun is not a "pointless toy", in the OPs case it sounds like he wants it for legitimate protection.

Her feeling of being unsafe, as far as the OP has said, is unfounded. It sounds like she is just ignorant to handguns and guns in general. If she is going to feel unsafe, then she should feel unsafe any time at his house... he has knives all over the place in the kitchen I assume.

Personally, if I had a GF that opposed my ownership of a gun of any sort, I wouldn't stay with her. If course, I have some background in this situation that most people don't. I will have a CCW on my person almost all the time as soon as I get my permit, and my penis size is average thank you very much.

Agreed 100%

I can't agree more. But the communication is going to be important and finding out why she doesn't want the gun is going to be the pivotal part of deciding how to convince her and/or whether its rational enough of an argument to make the decision one way or another.