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preslove

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Sep 10, 2003
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You assume that the action sequences would have saved the movie.

I assume that Fox firing the special effects director and others, who had already been working with Trank, and replacing them without consulting Trank only days before starting principle photography, AND removing the agreed upon action sequences started a death spiral for the production.

Also, since the fact that there is barely any super hero action in this super hero movie and "boring" is one of the more common critiques of it, then I'd say that removing those action sequences was a major blow to this movie.

You really should watch the collider movies segments on this. Every one of them has a different source that says that Fox fucked up the production right before it started.
 
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Skel

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Apr 11, 2001
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I assume that Fox firing the special effects director and others, who had already been working with Trank, and replacing them without consulting Trank only days before starting principle photography, AND removing the agreed upon action sequences started a death spiral for the production.

Also, since the fact that there is barely any super hero action in this super hero movie and "boring" is one of the more common critiques of it, then I'd say that removing those action sequences was a major blow to this movie.

You really should watch the collider movies segments on this. Every one of them has a different source that says that Fox fucked up the production right before it started.

I think people are making too much of these action sequences missing, it's almost like because Fox stepped in and changed stuff it's another example of the "man" screwing over the artist. The movie was off for a FF movie. Trank wanted to make a sci-fi on the lines of horror, which could be awesome on it's own but would be horrible for a FF movie. FF is a comic movie and very few people are going to see it as something else. Fox made a lot of mistakes, the first hiring Trank to make the movie, but in a lot of ways I can see them stepping in to salvage the money they dumped into it. The guys from the X-Men movies stepped in, so it's not like they just replaced him with some suck off the streets. Even that's after Trank went MIA. He may have been making some stand but ALL reports were of him being a huge asshole on set. He may have had a good movie in there, but most signs (like the script that was leaked before shooting) point to it being a really bad movie still.

I'm just glad I wasn't the one that put money into this movies making.

Posted online, some really shitty SFX, acting is worse.

I remember finding a bootleg copy of that movie in San Degio comic con back in 96 and being overjoyed at getting it. I think I still have the VHS in a box somewhere in my garage. At least that stupid movie had the amusement of being so low budget.
 

EliteRetard

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Mar 6, 2006
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*snip*

I remember finding a bootleg copy of that movie in San Degio comic con back in 96 and being overjoyed at getting it. I think I still have the VHS in a box somewhere in my garage. At least that stupid movie had the amusement of being so low budget.

Like "Hercules in New York".

So bad it's awesome. I've not only watched it a few times myself, but actually recommend it to others. As soon as I hear that line "There's nothing to watch!" I can say "Oh yes there is!"
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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I think people are making too much of these action sequences missing, it's almost like because Fox stepped in and changed stuff it's another example of the "man" screwing over the artist. The movie was off for a FF movie. Trank wanted to make a sci-fi on the lines of horror, which could be awesome on it's own but would be horrible for a FF movie. FF is a comic movie and very few people are going to see it as something else. Fox made a lot of mistakes, the first hiring Trank to make the movie, but in a lot of ways I can see them stepping in to salvage the money they dumped into it. The guys from the X-Men movies stepped in, so it's not like they just replaced him with some suck off the streets. Even that's after Trank went MIA. He may have been making some stand but ALL reports were of him being a huge asshole on set. He may have had a good movie in there, but most signs (like the script that was leaked before shooting) point to it being a really bad movie still.

Sci-fi horror is just stupid, yep. Just make the FF go on their mission to outer space, get exposed to cosmic rays, and bam they have their superpowers. No traveling to other dimensions or whatever BS this movie had (didn't see it TBH). It's a tried and true origin story. While in outer space have them fight some enemies in *gasp* outer space like Galactus or some weird shit like encounter Ego the Living Planet. Hell, a standard encounter with some classic enemies like The Super Skrull or The Mole Man and I'd be tickled pink. Hell even plain Skrulls would be cool. While Dr. Doom is an amazing character, I think they need to develop his origin as well, but in a different film. Show Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom going to college together as geniuses and the dimension machine going wrong and scarring Doom's face, and showing that's why Doom hates/resents him. There are a multitude of storylines they could have gone with and this is the best Fox could come up with? FFS
 

Skel

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Apr 11, 2001
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Sci-fi horror is just stupid, yep. Just make the FF go on their mission to outer space, get exposed to cosmic rays, and bam they have their superpowers. No traveling to other dimensions or whatever BS this movie had (didn't see it TBH). It's a tried and true origin story. While in outer space have them fight some enemies in *gasp* outer space like Galactus or some weird shit like encounter Ego the Living Planet. Hell, a standard encounter with some classic enemies like The Super Skrull or The Mole Man and I'd be tickled pink. Hell even plain Skrulls would be cool. While Dr. Doom is an amazing character, I think they need to develop his origin as well, but in a different film. Show Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom going to college together as geniuses and the dimension machine going wrong and scarring Doom's face, and showing that's why Doom hates/resents him. There are a multitude of storylines they could have gone with and this is the best Fox could come up with? FFS

I love both Sci-fi and horror. I just think the the FF shouldn't be a horror. 99.999999% of people will always see it as a comic movie because it is. Regardless of that, one thing that's always disturbed me about all of the FF movies (not counting the 90s version because that thing shouldn't compared with anything.. ) is the need to not only have Doom in it but to tie his origins tightly with the FF. It's one area where they always try and it never works. That's one villain they should take a page from Marvel on and just make him the Doom that everyone expects and wants. If they did that, I'd be all about them using him and not one of the hundreds of other villains they could use. Having said that, I've also been surprised not one has attempted to use Mole Man. The guy was their very first villain in the books and started them off. You figure someone would take a chance with him. It's not like he'd be any stupider than the versions of Doom they've put up there.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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It truly seems like they just hired the wrong director for this type of movie. It's like hiring Martin Scorsese to direct a Farrelly Bros type comedy.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fantastic-four-blame-game-fox-814764


In Trank's case, multiple sources associated with the project say the director did not produce material that would have opened the way to a salvageable film. And by several accounts, he resisted help. "He holed up in a tent and cut himself off from everybody," says one high-level source. Literally, there was a tent on the Louisiana set. "He built a black tent around his monitor," says a crewmember. "He was extremely withdrawn." Between setups, this person adds, "he would go to his trailer and he wouldn't interact with anybody."

Sources say Fox believed in what one executive calls a "grounded, gritty version of Fantastic Four that was almost the opposite of previous versions" — and initially thought Trank could deliver that. Several sources say Fox stood by Trank as he pushed a gloomy tone on young stars Miles Teller, Michael B. Jordan, Kate Mara and Jamie Bell. "During takes, he would be telling [castmembers] when to blink and when to breathe," one person says. "He kept pushing them to make the performance as flat as possible."

There were worrying personal issues as well. As THR reported in May, Trank and his dogs allegedly caused more than $100,000 worth of damage to a rented house in Baton Rouge that he and his wife occupied while the film was shooting there. Sources say now that after landlord Martin Padial moved to evict Trank, photographs of the landlord's family that were in the house were defaced. Padial made a complaint to the local sheriff's department and filed a civil suit in Louisiana that is sealed. Padial's attorney, Michael Bienvenu, declined to comment on the matter. The sheriff's department says the case was "closed as a civil matter between landlord and tenant."

Neither Trank nor Singer would comment.

A crewmember acknowledges that Trank bears much of the fault for the film's problems but also says the Fox studio should not escape blame. The movie was "ill-conceived, made for the wrong reasons and there was no vision behind the property," this person says. "Say what you will about Marvel but they have a vision."

As Fox hurried to put the project into production before rights to the material reverted to Marvel, the studio was scrambling with multiple rewrites and delays in starting the film. They "were afraid of losing the rights so they pressed forward and didn't surround [Trank] with help or fire him. They buried their heads in the sand." Fox declined to comment.

Another source says the notion of firing Trank came up even before the cameras started to roll. But Fox put its faith in him because he had directed the studio's 2012 found-footage hero movie Chronicle, which grossed $127 million worldwide on a $12 million budget. Based on that, insiders say Fox executives thought they had found an "in-house director," a young talent who could become another J.J. Abrams. And the studio was trying to shake off its reputation for micromanaging filmmakers. So executives were reluctant to interfere on Fantastic Four despite warnings of trouble.

When the seriousness of the problems could no longer be ignored, says a key source on the project, it was too late to fire the director. "How do you ask someone to take over half of a movie shot by someone else?" he says. "You either hire somebody desperate for work or you [start over], write off pretty much the whole budget and lose the cast."

As filming wound toward an unhappy close, the studio and producers Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker engaged in a last-minute scramble to come up with an ending. With some of the cast not fully available at that point and Kinberg juggling X-Men: Apocalypse and Star Wars, a lot of material was shot with doubles and the production moved to Los Angeles to film scenes with Teller against a green screen. "It was chaos," says a crewmember, adding that Trank was still in attendance "but was neutralized by a committee." Another source says the studio pulled together "a dream team," including writer and World War Z veteran Drew Goddard, to rescue the movie. Whether the final version of the film is better or worse than what Trank put together is a matter of opinion, of course, but the consensus, clearly, is that neither was good.

One central player on the film says the process of making big films often is messy, but in many cases the studio can fight its way out of difficulties. A Fantastic Four crewmember concurs but says that doesn't relieve the studio of its responsibility for what went wrong with this film. "To me, it is a classic indictment of the entire system," he says. "Give Josh Trank a $20 million movie. Groom him. But they don't make those movies anymore. … Nobody should escape scrutiny on this one. Everyone should take a good look in the mirror, myself included. Even I probably did the movie for the wrong reasons."

wow, what a clusterfuck.
 

Linux23

Lifer
Apr 9, 2000
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I'm so tempted to see this movie now. Kinda like watching a train wreck about to happen.
 

blankslate

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Jun 16, 2008
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I'm so tempted to see this movie now. Kinda like watching a train wreck about to happen.

According to some reivews it's a study in how a movie gets derailed and you can play the game of guess which parts were directed/edited by Josh Trank and which ones by Fox's people brought in the take over the edit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUSa7XV0KT4
the early parts where Josh Trank had more control of the movie weren't extremely bad, if not tonally fitting a comic book movie, as it was establishing the characters and relationships in a way similar to "Chronicle" then the 2nd half throws it all away and really shits on FF4 fans.



...
 

Linux23

Lifer
Apr 9, 2000
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According to some reivews it's a study in how a movie gets derailed and you can play the game of guess which parts were directed/edited by Josh Trank and which ones by Fox's people brought in the take over the edit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUSa7XV0KT4
the early parts where Josh Trank had more control of the movie weren't extremely bad, if not tonally fitting a comic book movie, as it was establishing the characters and relationships in a way similar to "Chronicle" then the 2nd half throws it all away and really shits on FF4 fans.



...
Lol. Nice.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I'm so tempted to see this movie now. Kinda like watching a train wreck about to happen.

I know. It will probably turn a decent profit in the end, after rentals and DVD sales as it grows into some sort of cult phenomenon.

Maybe even arthouse midnight showing events 25 years from now. ...like with Troll 2.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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I know. It will probably turn a decent profit in the end, after rentals and DVD sales as it grows into some sort of cult phenomenon.

Maybe. I was at an intramural softball game last night, and a wife of one of the players asked another player, "Have you taken the kids to see The Fantastic Four yet?" The other player said, "No, we heard it was bad." That pretty much seemed to be the consensus, and these are people that most likely don't pay attention to the minutia of movie happening. Ultimately, this sort of bad buzz will have a huge effect on this movie even out of the theater. People may be willing to rent it through Red Box or see it in a dollar theater, but that's about it.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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I bet Trank learned a lot from this experience. It will be difficult to find more work to utilize it though without a cushy credibility back log to fall back on.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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I bet Trank learned a lot from this experience. It will be difficult to find more work to utilize it though without a cushy credibility back log to fall back on.

Trank is quite frankly a fucking idiot for squandering such an opportunity and then pointing fingers. And I actually liked Chronicle.
 

Skel

Diamond Member
Apr 11, 2001
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According to some reivews it's a study in how a movie gets derailed and you can play the game of guess which parts were directed/edited by Josh Trank and which ones by Fox's people brought in the take over the edit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUSa7XV0KT4
the early parts where Josh Trank had more control of the movie weren't extremely bad, if not tonally fitting a comic book movie, as it was establishing the characters and relationships in a way similar to "Chronicle" then the 2nd half throws it all away and really shits on FF4 fans.



...

I've been told a few times you can pretty much tell who shot what based upon wigs and body doubles.
 

blankslate

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Jun 16, 2008
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I've been told a few times you can pretty much tell who shot what based upon wigs and body doubles.

They need to put out a MST3K edition on the Blu-Ray then since a Director's Cut is completely off the table.


....
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Watched yesterday - it was bad.

That said, after watching several reviews online, I wonder if they reworked the movie for this weekend, as many of the the things they specifically mentioned weren't in the version I watched. Or maybe they watched an early release?

But again, still bad. Horrible, anti-climatic ending that made little-to-no sense.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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I know. It will probably turn a decent profit in the end, after rentals and DVD sales as it grows into some sort of cult phenomenon.

Maybe even arthouse midnight showing events 25 years from now. ...like with Troll 2.

Was listening to an interview no too long ago, and it was mentioned that backend revenue like that has dried up substantially from what it was.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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Was listening to an interview no too long ago, and it was mentioned that backend revenue like that has dried up substantially from what it was.

Can confirm.


And that iTunes revenue isn't going pay for a new ferrari either.
 
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