Fashion Model walks into plane propeller

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Jeff7

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Her religion is helping her deal with this tragedy, to great effect apparently.

Why are people in here offended by this?
Because it is absolutely and incredibly baffling that someone can fully and concurrently believe and accept:
- An all-powerful, all-knowing entity exists which has incredible love of and benevolence toward all of humanity.
AND
- This entity stands idly by while the severe injury occurs.
AND
- They then give this entity thanks for the fact that the injuries weren't outright fatal, just disfiguring and permanent.
AND
- They ask this entity for help in getting through the pain and suffering that it willfully allowed to occur.



It just serves as another scary reminder of how far people can go when they really want to rationalize something.
 
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irishScott

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I hope if any of the above clowns have a catastrophic incident in the future, we can treat them in kind.

I the catastrophic incident involves my walking into a propeller under my own power, the criticism would be justified. Stupid accidents may be tragic, but they're still stupid.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I the catastrophic incident involves my walking into a propeller under my own power, the criticism would be justified. Stupid accidents may be tragic, but they're still stupid.

professionals have been injured not realizing they were in a propeller's path. Some chick with no plane knowledge didn't make a stupid mistake, she was not properly instructed to avoid harm to herself.

I deal with wireless. Microwaves are a potential danger. To many they do not understand that a high gain dish can emit an invisible and deadly beam. It I set up a few across a park and just put down some yellow lines indicating my beam paths, I am sure many would still cross and be harmed.

I am sure the same chucklehut above along with yourself would be like "everyone knows that would hurt you!".
 

irishScott

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professionals have been injured not realizing they were in a propeller's path. Some chick with no plane knowledge didn't make a stupid mistake, she was not properly instructed to avoid harm to herself.

I deal with wireless. Microwaves are a potential danger. To many they do not understand that a high gain dish can emit an invisible and deadly beam. It I set up a few across a park and just put down some yellow lines indicating my beam paths, I am sure many would still cross and be harmed.

I am sure the same chucklehut above along with yourself would be like "everyone knows that would hurt you!".

We are not talking about microwave emitters, nor are we talking about some ignorant person not understanding how intangible beams could hurt them.

We are talking about someone blatantly walking into a spinning propeller, of their own volition, without so much as stumbling into it. This is even worse than walking into a glass door, because here you have multiple, high-magnitude, low-level stimuli telling you to stay the fuck away. Hell you even have a force mildly pushing you away. Instinct alone should have done the job. What she did to my understanding is in lemming-walking-off-a-cliff territory, and she certainly is as fault for the accident and IMO should be ridiculed for it. If society didn't ridicule this and just accepted it as "one of those things that happens" I'd probably off myself right now. Stupidity should be derided.

So while I'm sorry that she was injured that badly and I do pity her undoubtedly painful recovery, there's no denying that she was pretty fucking stupid, and if she wasn't pretty fucking stupid in all likelihood this wouldn't have happened, or at least the odds would have been drastically reduced.

And I'd like to see you link to a story of a professional walking into a propeller. Not stumbling, not being sucked in from the other side, walking against the wind into a spinning propeller.
 
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skyking

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I know a one armed flight instructor, that enough for you? He had his accident while instructing.
 

irishScott

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I know a one armed flight instructor, that enough for you? He had his accident while instructing.

Did he walk of his own volition into the propeller from the rear? Without so much as stumbling? I never said professionals don't get injured by propellers in general, just that it's extremely rare for one of them to pull a stunt like this blond.
 

al981

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We are not talking about microwave emitters, nor are we talking about some ignorant person not understanding how intangible beams could hurt them.

We are talking about someone blatantly walking into a spinning propeller, of their own volition, without so much as stumbling into it. This is even worse than walking into a glass door, because here you have multiple, high-magnitude, low-level stimuli telling you to stay the fuck away. Hell you even have a force mildly pushing you away. Instinct alone should have done the job. What she did to my understanding is in lemming-walking-off-a-cliff territory, and she certainly is as fault for the accident and IMO should be ridiculed for it. If society didn't ridicule this and just accepted it as "one of those things that happens" I'd probably off myself right now. Stupidity should be derided.

So while I'm sorry that she was injured that badly and I do pity her undoubtedly painful recovery, there's no denying that she was pretty fucking stupid, and if she wasn't pretty fucking stupid in all likelihood this wouldn't have happened, or at least the odds would have been drastically reduced.

And I'd like to see you link to a story of a professional walking into a propeller. Not stumbling, not being sucked in from the other side, walking against the wind into a spinning propeller.

still keepin it classy, huh, internet tough guy.
 

irishScott

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still keepin it classy, huh, internet tough guy.

That's an Internet tough guy post now? I'm just jeeping it honest. Sorry if it's a little blunt for your sensibilities.

How about this: I postulate that anyone walking of their own volition, without stumbling or other impairment, into a spinning propeller from behind is severely lacking in many mental capacities. As supported by common fucking sense.
 
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al981

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That's an Internet tough guy post now? I'm just jeeping it honest. Sorry if it's a little blunt for your sensibilities.

How about this: I postulate that anyone walking of their own volition, without stumbling or other impairment, into a spinning propeller from behind is severely lacking in many mental capacities. As supported by common fucking sense.

you have no idea what circumstances led to the incident. until / if she decides to open her mouth and explain it, feel free to shut the fuck up.

stay classy, internet tough guy loser
 

irishScott

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you have no idea what circumstances led to the incident. until / if she decides to open her mouth and explain it, feel free to shut the fuck up.

stay classy, internet tough guy loser

And if my minor assumptions about what happened are wrong I'll admit as such and recant. Until then I'll fee free to say whatever I like. Unless she was forced into the propeller by circumstances beyond her control, my assertion holds.

As for being an internet tough guy, I'm calling a 3rd party stupid for walking into a propeller. You're telling me to shut up, calling me names, and apparently think it matters.
 

skyking

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I would postulate that not a single one of you have the experience to comment with any intelligence on this topic. Much like the TV talking heads, you make a lot of noise and intelligent-sounding comments with no background. Unfortunately all of those comments are driven by some hateful need to bash others who are safely removed by the distance of internet.
The pilots in this thread have chimed in, repeatedly:
Rudder, with thousands of hours hauling your sorry asses around in B737's

She was leaving the plane. Plane newbie just doesn't think about that stuff when exiting. Pilot should have done a better job of briefing his passengers.

Two stupids equals a bad accident.

coxmaster, career pilot and student at the top aviation school in the country:

Originally Posted by skyking
Unless they are folks that I absolutely can trust, they remain seated till the props stop.
I don't put all the blame on her until I hear how she was instructed by the pilot.

Exactly this. I was taught that very early on. Unless you're flying with somebody that knows what they're doing, everybody stays seated until the prop stops.

Take a look at this link here for a good photo of the husky door.

http://www.aeromerchants.com/dealerfiles/ListingView.asp?ListingID=501

You can't get out without ending up 3 feet from the propeller, at the most. At idle they make very little wind, contrary to some of the talking heads in here. They make such a small amount of wind the the engine will overheat sitting at an idle facing downwind in a 10 MPH breeze.
The back of the propeller is painted flat black, so the strobes and other light sources do not distract the pilot. It is virtually invisible in the dark. Invisible, no big breeze, less than 3 feet away.
What responsible pilot would deplane somebody under those circumstances? Nobody I've flown with. I've deplaned people from running aircraft that have a door, wing strut, wing between them and the hazard, and only after explicit instructions. With my hand on the mixture control ready to cut the engine.
 
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iRONic

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I would postulate that not a single one of you have the experience to comment with any intelligence on this topic. Much like the TV talking heads, you make a lot of noise and intelligent-sounding comments with no background. Unfortunately all of those comments are driven by some hateful need to bash others who are safely removed by the distance of internet.
SOP for ATOT.
 

SphinxnihpS

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professionals have been injured not realizing they were in a propeller's path. Some chick with no plane knowledge didn't make a stupid mistake, she was not properly instructed to avoid harm to herself.

I deal with wireless. Microwaves are a potential danger. To many they do not understand that a high gain dish can emit an invisible and deadly beam. It I set up a few across a park and just put down some yellow lines indicating my beam paths, I am sure many would still cross and be harmed.

I am sure the same chucklehut above along with yourself would be like "everyone knows that would hurt you!".

This is one of the most clueless statements I have ever seen in my life.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Feb 17, 2005
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I would postulate that not a single one of you have the experience to comment with any intelligence on this topic. Much like the TV talking heads, you make a lot of noise and intelligent-sounding comments with no background. Unfortunately all of those comments are driven by some hateful need to bash others who are safely removed by the distance of internet.
The pilots in this thread have chimed in, repeatedly:
Rudder, with thousands of hours hauling your sorry asses around in B737's



coxmaster, career pilot and student at the top aviation school in the country:

Originally Posted by skyking
Unless they are folks that I absolutely can trust, they remain seated till the props stop.
I don't put all the blame on her until I hear how she was instructed by the pilot.



Take a look at this link here for a good photo of the husky door.

http://www.aeromerchants.com/dealerfiles/ListingView.asp?ListingID=501

You can't get out without ending up 3 feet from the propeller, at the most. At idle they make very little wind, contrary to some of the talking heads in here. They make such a small amount of wind the the engine will overheat sitting at an idle facing downwind in a 10 MPH breeze.
The back of the propeller is painted flat black, so the strobes and other light sources do not distract the pilot. It is virtually invisible in the dark. Invisible, no big breeze, less than 3 feet away.
What responsible pilot would deplane somebody under those circumstances? Nobody I've flown with. I've deplaned people from running aircraft that have a door, wing strut, wing between them and the hazard, and only after explicit instructions. With my hand on the mixture control ready to cut the engine.

That's because they drill pilots with endless obligatory safety training every year they're in the air, and after some time anyone would start to believe many of the common sense things are not and actually need to be covered. Lawyers have managed to make the lowest common denominator the most important people in the world, and have created in the public mindset an illusion that blame can always be shifted to those in power or with money.

Anyone over the age of 3 would know not to stick their hand in a lawn mover, garbage disposal, etc. Sharp spinning things are not flesh-friendly. Any adult SHOULD KNOW how a prop plane works, and if they do not, then they shall live at their own peril. As far as I am concerned that pilot did everyone a favor by not telling someone stupid enough to not be automatically super careful around a running aircraft to be super careful.

The fact that we are even arguing over this makes me feel ill.

More re-education for you!
 
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skyking

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What he did is simply not done by any good pilot. Not necessary, not warranted. Go troll your boat somewhere else, and watch out for that propeller as well.
 

SphinxnihpS

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What he did is simply not done by any good pilot. Not necessary, not warranted. Go troll your boat somewhere else, and watch out for that propeller as well.

Your mindset is everything wrong with society today.

Go practice mid-air stalls at 500ft. In a jet...
 

SillyOReilly

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These idiots saying how it's anyone elses fault but her own for walking into the propeller. :whiste:
 

Wyndru

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I don't understand. So what, now prop planes will be required to have some kind of barrier that stops idiots from walking into propellers? How is this anyone's fault but her own?
 
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