Fast Food walkout - Nationwide

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moonbogg

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Eating lunch at Hardee's, business as usual. They're even training a new person.

Smart people know a job is really a job, and waking out is probably the single most stupidest thing any adult can do.

Many are going to college and such while being temporarily employed at these places. I applaud the mature adults who are working there and realize that they're working to leave.

Don't some people do that forever? When are you supposed to be happy and stop? Do you just keep going until you own the planet? What about starving kids? Would you spit in someone's banana shake if you hated your job?
 

moonbogg

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If you multiply Costco's membership fee (basic fee of $55) by the number of members (36.5 million) and then divide by the number of employees it comes to $12,500 per employee. These fees would represent $6/hr for the average employee and makes it where they can afford to pay their employees a much higher wage.

Why the hell should they pay them more? Just because they can? LOL! Who is this stupid?
I got more...this principle of "pay employees more because you can" garbage also applies to the common man, such as myself. I can afford to give homeless people free money. Know why I don't? Because FUCK them, that's why! I worked for my shit and they can't have it. Rich people worked for their shit also, so why should idiot aisle robots be entitled to their wealth?
I don't like people being mistreated, but this entitlement stuff is really mind blowing.
 
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nehalem256

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If you multiply Costco's membership fee (basic fee of $55) by the number of members (36.5 million) and then divide by the number of employees it comes to $12,500 per employee. These fees would represent $6/hr for the average employee and makes it where they can afford to pay their employees a much higher wage.

Actually the more important part from the chart is

Annual Profit: 1.7B
Annual Member Reveship Revenue: 2.0B

Without memberships not only would costco be unable to pay its employees more, its what makes it so they aren't out of business.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Why the hell should they pay them more? Just because they can? LOL! Who is this stupid?
I got more...this principle of "pay employees more because you can" garbage also applies to the common man, such as myself. I can afford to give homeless people free money. Know why I don't? Because FUCK them, that's why! I worked for my shit and they can't have it. Rich people worked for their shit also, so why should idiot aisle robots be entitled to their wealth?
I don't like people being mistreated, but this entitlement stuff is really mind blowing.

Obviously it means so much to the crowd that thinks Walmart should pay their cashiers/employees the same wages as Costco pays their cashiers/employees ($9/hr vs $18/hr).
 

fskimospy

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Actually the more important part from the chart is

Annual Profit: 1.7B
Annual Member Reveship Revenue: 2.0B

Without memberships not only would costco be unable to pay its employees more, its what makes it so they aren't out of business.

As much as it makes me question my sanity to agree with nehalem, he has a good point here.
 

moonbogg

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Obviously it means so much to the crowd that thinks Walmart should pay their cashiers/employees the same wages as Costco pays their cashiers/employees ($9/hr vs $18/hr).

OK. Time for an honest question. What is the correct solution to this unfairness?
 

CrackRabbit

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OK. Time for an honest question. What is the correct solution to this unfairness?

The pay isn't the entire problem at Wal-Mart, it is how the entire company is run.

My fiance worked at Wal-Mart for a couple of years as a department manager, and then as the store HR person.
As a department manager she was regularly given tasks that were impossible to complete and then threatened with discipline when she couldn't complete them. Departments were constantly stealing each others on shift workers because they refused to hire enough people to make sure jobs were done properly.
On top of that if you tried to complain about anything (like labor law violations) to management higher up in the company than the store manager (because the store manager was part of the problem), nothing was done. And then your complaint was passed back down to the store manager who would be vindictive about the complaint.

The whole damn company is broken at a fundamental level, simply paying the peons more won't fix it.
 

Coalfax

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*looks at the title of this thread*

*looks at what the current discussion on Wal-Mart and Costco has to do with fast food*

Guys, derail is one thing. go get yer own thread,... sheesh!
 

drebo

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Wrong, most are. 80% of Walmart employees are, for example.



That just explains the "WHY". I don't care what the "WHY" is, the fact is most min wage workers are indeed being government subsidized.



It is true, you are just trying to argue that the REASON it is true is somehow significant. It's not. It doesn't matter WHY 80% of Walmart's workforce is on government assistance. I didn't claim anything about the WHY, I just said that they were on government assistance. And they are.

The "why" is the most important part. A person making minimum wage does not need government assistance unless he or she makes poor life decisions. Thus, you're subsidizing the poor life decisions, not the wage.
 

drebo

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Actually the more important part from the chart is

Annual Profit: 1.7B
Annual Member Reveship Revenue: 2.0B

Without memberships not only would costco be unable to pay its employees more, its what makes it so they aren't out of business.

Costco's model is that they make almost nothing on the items they sell and that their membership fees actually are where their profits come from.

How else do you think their prices are so low?
 

Exterous

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A wonderful well-researched post.

Too bad I never once suggested raising the minimum wage. Why did you even quote me?

I mistakenly thought your railing against minimum wage was pay based not assistance based. The data still works against your claim. The data it shows that the majority of minimum wage earners are not dependent on the government for subsidies. Take them away from minimum wage earners and what do you have? Well, that won't affect the vast majority of them. The labor pool certainly won't dry up because of it. Teenagers and college students aren't going to stop working because they likely weren't getting assistance anyway

In your fantasy-land example where you work and shop at the same place, it's 4 miles. In the real world where a person might need to buy groceries at a separate location, it's 4 miles to work and 4 miles for groceries for a total of 8 miles.

:hmm:

You think walking 4 or 8 miles to go to the store and back

Can you at least try and keep your story straight? 'To the store and back' does not equal 4 miles to work and 4 miles for groceries

Besides what does work have to do with this? The Food Desert definition is 1 mile from place of residence and absolutely, in no way, brings work location into it. You don't get to add your own conditions to to it.

You also seem to be forgetting that a Food Desert doesn't mean there is no place to buy groceries within that 1 mile. It just means there isn't a place to buy groceries that has sales of $2M+ AND has all major food departments.

I can show you several examples of 'Food Deserts' where you can still buy groceries within the Food Desert area. I believe all the cases I could show you have them within 1 mile of the residences
 

buckshot24

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I didn't realize it was so hard to understand.

Here are two possible worlds:

World 1, Walmart has and endless pool of potential employees. These people have government assisted housing, food (stamps), medicare, and other benefits. They can be paid minimum wage and will be overjoyed to get a little extra money on top of all the government assistance they receive.

World 2, there is no government assistance. A person needs to earn a living wage to actually survive. Being offered $7.25/hr or whatever is a joke and a spit in the face, why work for money that won't even be enough to live on? As many have argued previously, employment costs are largely based on supply and demand. If the wages are not enough to live on for the majority of people, the majority will not work, and demand for Walmart jobs plummets. Walmart either wises up and raises their starting wages, or they lose employees and close stores.
World 3, government assistance is cut tomorrow and Walmart employees decide something is better than nothing and keep working at Walmart. In fact they are highly motivated to work as many hours as they can now that uncle Sam isn't giving them goodies.

World 4, governmental assistance is gradually reduced. Walmart employees, over time, realize that having 4 kids is less desirable since the government doesn't reward them for having more kids. Eventually more walmart workers are able to live within their means.

But I have to wonder why a Walmart worker would throw all of their income away because they aren't getting food stamps any longer. Why would that be more likely than them keeping their job?
 

PokerGuy

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Drove by the closest McD's and Chick-fil-a today, glad to see there were no people outside protesting (ie, no terminally stupid people dumb enough to want to protest because they "deserve at least $15 per hour"). Kudos to those people who did their jobs, all the ones striking today should be immediately fired.
 

CPA

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What amazing is that 3.5% profit margin. People demonize "evil companies" for their "record profits" (that's a popular phrase these days) but margins are as slim as ever. Some industries have high margins, but record profits are due to record revenues, not massive profit margins.

Of course, trying to get jealous poor people to understand the concept of percentages and profit margins is a futile effort.

People demonize because they don't have a damn clue of what they are talking about. Instead, they read some activist blog and believe every damn word that's published.
 

fskimospy

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World 3, government assistance is cut tomorrow and Walmart employees decide something is better than nothing and keep working at Walmart. In fact they are highly motivated to work as many hours as they can now that uncle Sam isn't giving them goodies.

World 4, governmental assistance is gradually reduced. Walmart employees, over time, realize that having 4 kids is less desirable since the government doesn't reward them for having more kids. Eventually more walmart workers are able to live within their means.

But I have to wonder why a Walmart worker would throw all of their income away because they aren't getting food stamps any longer. Why would that be more likely than them keeping their job?

Can you show me any correlation whatsoever between fertility rates and the level of governmental assistance available? I bet you if anything I can show you an inverse correlation.

So your choices are between one world where children go hungry and another world where correlations that have not existed before suddenly pop into being.

Needless to say, these are extraordinarily poor choices.
 

fskimospy

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Meh, people are utilizing their labor power to bargain for better wages. Good for them. I love all the hate and vitriol here though, it never ceases to amaze me.
 

nehalem256

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Can you show me any correlation whatsoever between fertility rates and the level of governmental assistance available? I bet you if anything I can show you an inverse correlation.

So your choices are between one world where children go hungry and another world where correlations that have not existed before suddenly pop into being.

Needless to say, these are extraordinarily poor choices.

It seems like what you are really arguing is that poor women are incapable of making good choices even when given proper incentives. Why do you have such a low opinion of women?
 

fskimospy

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It seems like what you are really arguing is that poor women are incapable of making good choices even when given proper incentives. Why do you have such a low opinion of women?

Hey guys, you'll never guess who decided to yet again showcase his pathological hatred of women. No really.

 
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Hey guys, you'll never guess who decided to yet again showcase his pathological hatred of women. No really.



Hey guys, you'll never guess who has yet again shoved words in someone's mouth to try and prove their point and showcase that they cannot have an open an honest debate. No really.
 

fskimospy

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Hey guys, you'll never guess who has yet again shoved words in someone's mouth to try and prove their point and showcase that they cannot have an open an honest debate. No really.

Like I'm interested in what a belligerent, hypocritical racist has to say.

No really, that's what you are.
 
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