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buckshot24

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I'd rather act like a baffoon than a hypocrite.

Don't get mad at me that you publicaly call yourself a Christian but act like anything but a Christian. I guess you really don't believe what the bible has told you after all.
You're absolutely talking in ignorance about this subject. Christians are supposed to directly help the poor not support governmental programs to help the poor. Plus your kind of "help" isn't really help at all.
 

ivwshane

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You're absolutely talking in ignorance about this subject. Christians are supposed to directly help the poor not support governmental programs to help the poor. Plus your kind of "help" isn't really help at all.

Romans 13:5-7

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


If I'm ignorant what does that make you
 

Retro Rob

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Jealous of what? Your hypocrisy?

Giving people a raise (as in they are currently working) is throwing money away? Lol! And I'm sure you told your employer that you didn't need a raise as that money would just be "thrown away".

Do you fucking hear or read the shit you are posting?


Thrown away? I thought I was clear, when I said:

I sympathize with those workers, but I'm realistic to know that throwing money into people's pocket won't help either

You can lead an atheist to water, but you can't make him think.
 

mistercrabby

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The one protest in Houston had two politicians and union officials, all of which were busy touting the progressive/Democrat talking points of giving the workers a living wage. This is all about the dying unions trying to get more members as they know taking dues from the minimum wage and slightly above workers would make them look bad and adding to the problem.

Good point.

And it's not true they aren't asking for government help. They are asking for a doubling of the minimum wage, whcih is something only the government can do.

I don't have a problem with them trying to get a better shake (no pun intended). I have a problem with the voice of entitelement i'm hearing. "Living wage" being a right for example.

One of our principles is the pursuit of happiness, we don't guarantee it.
 

buckshot24

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Romans 13:5-7

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


If I'm ignorant what does that make you
Somebody who can read and who isn't ignorant. All this says is you should pay your taxes.
 

ivwshane

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Thrown away? I thought I was clear, when I said:



You can lead an atheist to water, but you can't make him think.

Oh my bad! I though when you said giving people more money wouldn't help you meant that it was throwing money away. Silly me. So did you tell your employer that the raise wouldn't help you?

You should leave the insults to other people, it's not very Christian like. Unless you really aren't a Christian.
 

ivwshane

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Good point.

And it's not true they aren't asking for government help. They are asking for a doubling of the minimum wage, whcih is something only the government can do.

I don't have a problem with them trying to get a better shake (no pun intended). I have a problem with the voice of entitelement i'm hearing. "Living wage" being a right for example.

One of our principles is the pursuit of happiness, we don't guarantee it.

What's the difference? One you approve of and one you don't?

Asking for either is fine in my book, whether or not it's justified isn't up to me. Is the justification up to you?
 

1prophet

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Didn't read the thread but all this will accomplish is the hastening of these jobs being replaced by robots. Imagine how much money McDonalds would save in the long run if they replaced the 10-15 trained monkeys behind the counter with a few touchscreens to check out your order, and an automated production line for hamburgers. You would only really need one employee per store to supervise things.

And that is exactly why this country is where it is at today, because we see those below us as some "trained monkey" that is a drain on our resources and must be eliminated or replaced by something more efficient and less costly as long as that trained monkey isn't me.
 

Ns1

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And that is exactly why this country is where it is at today, because we see those below us as some "trained monkey" that is a drain on our resources and must be eliminated or replaced by something more efficient and less costly as long as that trained monkey isn't me.

Well, as long as the trained monkey costs less than a machine to run, the trained monkey will always have a job.
 

ivwshane

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And that is exactly why this country is where it is at today, because we see those below us as some "trained monkey" that is a drain on our resources and must be eliminated or replaced by something more efficient and less costly as long as that trained monkey isn't me.

Exactly. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I don't look down upon those less fortunate than me but apparently the so called Christians in this thread does.
These are fellow Americans, you would think, we as a country would put our fellow Americans before profits. Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case.
 

mistercrabby

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Quote: Originally Posted by mistercrabby Good point. And it's not true they aren't asking for government help. They are asking for a doubling of the minimum wage, whcih is something only the government can do. I don't have a problem with them trying to get a better shake (no pun intended). I have a problem with the voice of entitelement i'm hearing. "Living wage" being a right for example. One of our principles is the pursuit of happiness, we don't guarantee it.

What's the difference? One you approve of and one you don't? Asking for either is fine in my book, whether or not it's justified isn't up to me. Is the justification up to you?

IVWShane = `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
 

werepossum

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Try to follow along here; rob said businesses shouldn't be held responsible for paying workers more, I pointed out that that isn't a very Christian like mentality.

Shove your straw man where the sun don't shine.
Gotta give you credit for sheer audacity. You just posted several Biblical verses about individual and church charitable obligations as justification for government forcing employers to pay $15/hour to hamburger flippers and STILL whipped out the standard proggie straw man allegation - about the actual thread topic!

Either you have balls the size of watermelons or you're a complete idiot with an amazing lack of self-awareness.
 

woolfe9998

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Gotta give you credit for sheer audacity. You just posted several Biblical verses about individual and church charitable obligations as justification for government forcing employers to pay $15/hour to hamburger flippers and STILL whipped out the standard proggie straw man allegation - about the actual thread topic!

Either you have balls the size of watermelons or you're a complete idiot with an amazing lack of self-awareness.

Somewhat true, but to be fair, his Romans quote above is interesting regarding paying taxes and submission to government authority because of "conscience." I'd never seen that one before. Doesn't sound especially consistent with modern conservatism but then these biblical passages are pretty vague so I'm sure you can find a way to make it harmonize.
 

werepossum

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Somewhat true, but to be fair, his Romans quote above is interesting regarding paying taxes and submission to government authority because of "conscience." I'd never seen that one before. Doesn't sound especially consistent with modern conservatism but then these biblical passages are pretty vague so I'm sure you can find a way to make it harmonize.
I don't think that conservatives by and large have a problem paying taxes or in submitting to government's reasonable authority. Our problem is when government wants more than we think is government's due, either in money or in power. We accept government's right to set speed limits; we do not accept government's right to set sugary soda size limits. We accept that government is due a tithe, the same as the church; we do not accept that government is due double or triple the tithe so that it can hand out "free" goodies. We accept that government should set a minimum wage to control how deeply in poverty is someone who works at a low value job; we do not accept that government should set a minimum wage to establish a middle class lifestyle for every job.

Frankly I'm not seeing the contradiction here.
 

ivwshane

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Gotta give you credit for sheer audacity. You just posted several Biblical verses about individual and church charitable obligations as justification for government forcing employers to pay $15/hour to hamburger flippers and STILL whipped out the standard proggie straw man allegation - about the actual thread topic!

Either you have balls the size of watermelons or you're a complete idiot with an amazing lack of self-awareness.

Read what you wrote and tell me if the post you quoted had any of that in there.
 

ivwshane

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Wow.

Still doesn't mean you have to agree with any existent or proposed governmental programs.

Lol! Please post what I quoted (as in what you wrote) when I responded with the romans quote.

And then ask yourself what the fuck this response has to do with it.
 
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