fastest car for 10-12k.....

[Vic]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: railer
Mid 5's 0-60 and anywhere in the 13's 1/4 is fast to me, btw.

That for $10k and not a Camaro/Mustang? '98-99 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX (if and only if you can find one in previously-unmodded good condition and low miles)
Or... 2002-2003 Subaru WRX with salvage title but properly rebuilt/restored to like new.

Only car that you mentioned that will do 13s stock is the camaro. Mustangs are low 14s, not sure what the DSMs will run stock but I doubt its better then a mid 14s if they don't blow up going down the track, and WRXs are high 14s low 15s.

He should be able to get any of those cars into the 13s within budget.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: railer
Mid 5's 0-60 and anywhere in the 13's 1/4 is fast to me, btw.

That for $10k and not a Camaro/Mustang? '98-99 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX (if and only if you can find one in previously-unmodded good condition and low miles)
Or... 2002-2003 Subaru WRX with salvage title but properly rebuilt/restored to like new.

Only car that you mentioned that will do 13s stock is the camaro. Mustangs are low 14s, not sure what the DSMs will run stock but I doubt its better then a mid 14s if they don't blow up going down the track, and WRXs are high 14s low 15s.

He should be able to get any of those cars into the 13s within budget.

He can get lots of cars into the 13s with his budget but not everybody wants to drive around in a 13s 89 dodge caravans like I do .

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: railer
Mid 5's 0-60 and anywhere in the 13's 1/4 is fast to me, btw.

That for $10k and not a Camaro/Mustang? '98-99 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX (if and only if you can find one in previously-unmodded good condition and low miles)
Or... 2002-2003 Subaru WRX with salvage title but properly rebuilt/restored to like new.

Only car that you mentioned that will do 13s stock is the camaro. Mustangs are low 14s, not sure what the DSMs will run stock but I doubt its better then a mid 14s if they don't blow up going down the track, and WRXs are high 14s low 15s.

He should be able to get any of those cars into the 13s within budget.

He can get lots of cars into the 13s with his budget but not everybody wants to drive around in 13s 89 dodge caravans like I do .

I don't think you should be questioning DSM reliability from a 89 turbo 'van IMO.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: railer
Mid 5's 0-60 and anywhere in the 13's 1/4 is fast to me, btw.

That for $10k and not a Camaro/Mustang? '98-99 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX (if and only if you can find one in previously-unmodded good condition and low miles)
Or... 2002-2003 Subaru WRX with salvage title but properly rebuilt/restored to like new.

Only car that you mentioned that will do 13s stock is the camaro. Mustangs are low 14s, not sure what the DSMs will run stock but I doubt its better then a mid 14s if they don't blow up going down the track, and WRXs are high 14s low 15s.

He should be able to get any of those cars into the 13s within budget.

He can get lots of cars into the 13s with his budget but not everybody wants to drive around in 13s 89 dodge caravans like I do .

I don't think you should be questioning DSM reliability from a 89 turbo 'van IMO.

Now if it was a DSM I would have had to rebuild the engine and trans atleast twice by now instead of only once . No its not super reliable but alteast everything is cheap and its a whole hell of a lot easier to work on then any DSM.

 

[dmw16]

Before I bought my S2000 I had a 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. They have 240HP/260Lb-ft stock and are very easy to modify. Mine put down over 300/300 with maybe $1500 invested. You can buy a stock one for under $9000. I saw a few for sale with a some mild mods for $9000. Mine ran a 13.3sec 1/4 mile @107 which is faster than most cars out there. Plus they are big and roomy.

Check out www.clubgp.com

There is a for sale section.

 

[Maxspeed996]

This is a question that I asked almost 7 years ago. And came upon the Eagle Talon. Granted , I've got close to 5k in the motor and electronics. But the car is a complete sleeper and I'm rolling with Vette's , and there is even an older Ferrari Modena in town that I've outright whipped his ass from a stoplight for over a mile before we let out of it. The Lancer is really a solid car if you do your homework. The same DSM engine that turns the horsepower in my car , 4g63 is in the EVO. These motors are WELL known for being a reliable powerhouse. If you have the cash , 4k -6k you can easily get this car to over 500 bhp with bolt-ons alone , and with the added benifit of all wheel drive....man you can get in a fast rear wheel drive car , but when you get behind the wheel of a powerful all wheel drive machine. OMG...

Quick reference for the EVO tuner , and a shop / website that I'd be glad to send anyone to. http://www.forcedperformance.com/

Check out some of the available upgrades for the EVO.

 

[Maxspeed996]

and just to add to this....the reliability of the DSM is good , i've had ZERO issues with mine. When you are upgrading a car you do it right , or you don't do it at all. The only problems I've EVER even really heard about are the drivetrains of these cars not being able to take the amount of power that the engine produces.
In all honesty I could probably turn my tranny into soup if I really wanted to given that my engine is probably pushing close to 500 hp at the flywheel under high boost. But if you are going out and LAUNCHING YOUR CAR HARD , every time you take off you deserve to break something , expect it if you are going to the drag strip every weekend and get a built transmission....I can recomend a builder.....
John Shepard - sponsored by Forced Performace and has records with his 1st gen talon


I however will give a vote to the 300z being a sweet ride. I'd love to get my hands on a "fairlady"

 

[DougK62]

Saab Viggen. Damn they are fast.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: CombatChuk

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: CombatChuk
If you want pure speed that's in that price range, here's the answer...

Text

With enough skills you can do the quarter mile in the mid 9s...

zx14 pfft... no thanks give me the lighter quicker ZX10R or the GSXr1000..
the 1000s are pure sportbikes capable of much quicker accereration and fantastic cornering.. the Busa and the 12 and the 14 all suffer except for at the dragstrip.. and thats not what bikes are all about..

btw.. Stock Ive watched 1000s stomp a mudhole in Busas and 12s.. they re too heavy they are primarily designed as a super sport cruiser for long hauls..
they are NOT in the sportbike class.

...but i thought sport bikes are supposed to be long (2ft swingarm extension), dropped to to the ground and blingging with 80lbs of chrome? :roll:

I maintain my opinion that Busas are for posers...

agreed. they're for straight line speed only and not so much for cornering (ie no skill). They're cruisers and not designed for the track. Plus lamers 'customise' them resulting in monstrosities like the following: lamer

truly a mess. The stock busa looks fugly, too. If I was going to go for the 1300/1400 sports tourer, it'd have to be the ZZR1400 every time.

You guys make the Busa/ZX-14 sound like they handle like a 900lb crusier. The Dry weight of a zx14 is only 50-60 more than the current Superbikes. They also happen to be more comfortable as well. They can take the corners real good as well.

I rode one and Ive ridden busas... they feel like driving a semi truck compared to a 300lb 1000

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: railer
2 door/4 door....I don't care.

The EVO's and STI's of a few years ago didn't have the snort that the '04+'s have. Any they go for well over 20k. I keep going back to Mustangs and <shiver> camaros.
1) They're cheap
2) They're fast
3) They're cheap to fix. Blowing up a Mitsu Lancer Evo won't make the wife happy.

I honestly dread being seen in a camaro....but they're faster AND cheaper than Mustangs. So please god someone mention some other cars.

Are you really on crack? only the WS6 Trans ams and SS Camaros are faster than a stock 5.0...

and for those youre gonna pay alot more than 10k..

for 10k you can still get up to around a 2003 GT in nice condition.. but a 5k 1987-1993 5.0 and 5k in mods would have you into the 10 second quarter mile range..

So a 14 second car is faster than a 13 second car? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a stock LS2 GTO could be easily beaten by a stock Mustang GT? lol

Edit: BTW - The Camaro SS or TA WS6 dyno only a small amount higher than their other LS1 counterparts. Some stock Z28s and TAs have actually dynod higher at the rear wheels.

Ive owned 6 Mustangs from the Fox body years and every single one of them went well into the 13s the very second I pulled off that crappy 4 cat exhaust and put on a offroad Hpipe.. and flows.. less that 200 bucks to be into the 13s..
and Ive also had 3 camaros and 2 firebirds over the years and not one of them would go 13s out of the box.. they too needed a little work... Fbodies are junk.. they rattle themselves apart after less than 100k miles... they have major traction problems that are harder to solve than a 5.0 stang..
thier aftermarket parts are much more expensive.. and they are harder for a shadetree mechanic to work on..
the 5.0 is byfar the most economic muscle car you can buy.. they can be in the 10s and 9s for under 6k over the cost of the car... which for most 5.0s is around 4-5k.. and alot of the time some of the mods will already be done on these cars in this pricerange..

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
a viggen is a great choice, its sexy, it will pull on ANYTHING in the 30-60 range (including porsches) and its sooo comfortable

What's the 30-60 time? 60-80?

(a stock 951S is 3.5 seconds 30-60 and 3.3 seconds 60-80, my previous comment about 0-25 mph time was hyperbole to illustrate how the lag feels in 1st.) The specs I could find for the Viggen show around a 4.2 second 60-80 time.

Once at speed, there's not much that can pull on my 951, granted it's tweaked a little and geared such that 80mph is into full boost in 5th gear. Humbled in stoplight sprints by Hondas though.

ZV

I don't have any numbers either, but my friend drives a slightly modded Viggen. I can say that I personally have seen him walk a C5 Corvette from a 60 mph start. They get terrible 1/4 times because they're so hard to launch. They're very torquey and FWD.

I've seen modded ones dyno near 400 pounds of torque at the wheels without even digging into the motor...

 

[newParadigm]

Dunno it it's been mentioned but some kind of used supra has gotta fit the bill

 

[dmw16]

the generation before the last gen of Supras were turbo'd, but not that fast. I'll say it again...Grand Prix GTP. I smacked around Mustang GTs, Z28 Camaros, WRX's...the list goes on and on. For 10k I could buy a Grand Prix GTP and make it a 12sec car and still drive it to work every day and go grocery shopping.

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: railer
2 door/4 door....I don't care.

The EVO's and STI's of a few years ago didn't have the snort that the '04+'s have. Any they go for well over 20k. I keep going back to Mustangs and <shiver> camaros.
1) They're cheap
2) They're fast
3) They're cheap to fix. Blowing up a Mitsu Lancer Evo won't make the wife happy.

I honestly dread being seen in a camaro....but they're faster AND cheaper than Mustangs. So please god someone mention some other cars.

Are you really on crack? only the WS6 Trans ams and SS Camaros are faster than a stock 5.0...

and for those youre gonna pay alot more than 10k..

for 10k you can still get up to around a 2003 GT in nice condition.. but a 5k 1987-1993 5.0 and 5k in mods would have you into the 10 second quarter mile range..

So a 14 second car is faster than a 13 second car? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a stock LS2 GTO could be easily beaten by a stock Mustang GT? lol

Edit: BTW - The Camaro SS or TA WS6 dyno only a small amount higher than their other LS1 counterparts. Some stock Z28s and TAs have actually dynod higher at the rear wheels.

Ive owned 6 Mustangs from the Fox body years and every single one of them went well into the 13s the very second I pulled off that crappy 4 cat exhaust and put on a offroad Hpipe.. and flows.. less that 200 bucks to be into the 13s..
and Ive also had 3 camaros and 2 firebirds over the years and not one of them would go 13s out of the box.. they too needed a little work... Fbodies are junk.. they rattle themselves apart after less than 100k miles... they have major traction problems that are harder to solve than a 5.0 stang..
thier aftermarket parts are much more expensive.. and they are harder for a shadetree mechanic to work on..
the 5.0 is byfar the most economic muscle car you can buy.. they can be in the 10s and 9s for under 6k over the cost of the car... which for most 5.0s is around 4-5k.. and alot of the time some of the mods will already be done on these cars in this pricerange..

My wife had one up until last year when I told her she should sell it. You want to talk about rattles? This thing had a jarring suspension that would rattle everything inside. It was the 5-spd and yet I know my Z28 could easily outrun it with far less rattle going down the road.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: railer
2 door/4 door....I don't care.

The EVO's and STI's of a few years ago didn't have the snort that the '04+'s have. Any they go for well over 20k. I keep going back to Mustangs and <shiver> camaros.
1) They're cheap
2) They're fast
3) They're cheap to fix. Blowing up a Mitsu Lancer Evo won't make the wife happy.

I honestly dread being seen in a camaro....but they're faster AND cheaper than Mustangs. So please god someone mention some other cars.

Are you really on crack? only the WS6 Trans ams and SS Camaros are faster than a stock 5.0...

and for those youre gonna pay alot more than 10k..

for 10k you can still get up to around a 2003 GT in nice condition.. but a 5k 1987-1993 5.0 and 5k in mods would have you into the 10 second quarter mile range..

So a 14 second car is faster than a 13 second car? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a stock LS2 GTO could be easily beaten by a stock Mustang GT? lol

Edit: BTW - The Camaro SS or TA WS6 dyno only a small amount higher than their other LS1 counterparts. Some stock Z28s and TAs have actually dynod higher at the rear wheels.

Ive owned 6 Mustangs from the Fox body years and every single one of them went well into the 13s the very second I pulled off that crappy 4 cat exhaust and put on a offroad Hpipe.. and flows.. less that 200 bucks to be into the 13s..
and Ive also had 3 camaros and 2 firebirds over the years and not one of them would go 13s out of the box.. they too needed a little work... Fbodies are junk.. they rattle themselves apart after less than 100k miles... they have major traction problems that are harder to solve than a 5.0 stang..
thier aftermarket parts are much more expensive.. and they are harder for a shadetree mechanic to work on..
the 5.0 is byfar the most economic muscle car you can buy.. they can be in the 10s and 9s for under 6k over the cost of the car... which for most 5.0s is around 4-5k.. and alot of the time some of the mods will already be done on these cars in this pricerange..

My wife had one up until last year when I told her she should sell it. You want to talk about rattles? This thing had a jarring suspension that would rattle everything inside. It was the 5-spd and yet I know my Z28 could easily outrun it with far less rattle going down the road.

then you had a sick car...
Ive had 3 that had over 300k miles over the years and not one rattled as you describe..

and mine had Southside liftbars and upper control arms as well as racecraft suspension which stiffened the whole car up to the point it felt like a gocart... and my interior didnt rattle..

 

[Maxspeed996]

Originally posted by: dmw16
the generation before the last gen of Supras were turbo'd, but not that fast. I'll say it again...Grand Prix GTP. I smacked around Mustang GTs, Z28 Camaros, WRX's...the list goes on and on. For 10k I could buy a Grand Prix GTP and make it a 12sec car and still drive it to work every day and go grocery shopping.

The GTP is a good fast car , a good friend of mine has an 02' with an aftermarket supercharger on it , injectors , and exhaust , and it is fast. Every time we've raced I smoke his ass though, but I'm not getting the wheelspin he does , and I'm a hell of a lot lighter with AWD. There's no comparison.
GTP is a nice ride though , and something worth looking into if you want a family car with some nuts.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: railer
2 door/4 door....I don't care.

The EVO's and STI's of a few years ago didn't have the snort that the '04+'s have. Any they go for well over 20k. I keep going back to Mustangs and <shiver> camaros.
1) They're cheap
2) They're fast
3) They're cheap to fix. Blowing up a Mitsu Lancer Evo won't make the wife happy.

I honestly dread being seen in a camaro....but they're faster AND cheaper than Mustangs. So please god someone mention some other cars.

Are you really on crack? only the WS6 Trans ams and SS Camaros are faster than a stock 5.0...

and for those youre gonna pay alot more than 10k..

for 10k you can still get up to around a 2003 GT in nice condition.. but a 5k 1987-1993 5.0 and 5k in mods would have you into the 10 second quarter mile range..

So a 14 second car is faster than a 13 second car? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a stock LS2 GTO could be easily beaten by a stock Mustang GT? lol

Edit: BTW - The Camaro SS or TA WS6 dyno only a small amount higher than their other LS1 counterparts. Some stock Z28s and TAs have actually dynod higher at the rear wheels.

Ive owned 6 Mustangs from the Fox body years and every single one of them went well into the 13s the very second I pulled off that crappy 4 cat exhaust and put on a offroad Hpipe.. and flows.. less that 200 bucks to be into the 13s..
and Ive also had 3 camaros and 2 firebirds over the years and not one of them would go 13s out of the box.. they too needed a little work... Fbodies are junk.. they rattle themselves apart after less than 100k miles... they have major traction problems that are harder to solve than a 5.0 stang..
thier aftermarket parts are much more expensive.. and they are harder for a shadetree mechanic to work on..
the 5.0 is byfar the most economic muscle car you can buy.. they can be in the 10s and 9s for under 6k over the cost of the car... which for most 5.0s is around 4-5k.. and alot of the time some of the mods will already be done on these cars in this pricerange..

My wife had one up until last year when I told her she should sell it. You want to talk about rattles? This thing had a jarring suspension that would rattle everything inside. It was the 5-spd and yet I know my Z28 could easily outrun it with far less rattle going down the road.

It's best to not feed the fanboys...

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: railer
2 door/4 door....I don't care.

The EVO's and STI's of a few years ago didn't have the snort that the '04+'s have. Any they go for well over 20k. I keep going back to Mustangs and <shiver> camaros.
1) They're cheap
2) They're fast
3) They're cheap to fix. Blowing up a Mitsu Lancer Evo won't make the wife happy.

I honestly dread being seen in a camaro....but they're faster AND cheaper than Mustangs. So please god someone mention some other cars.

Are you really on crack? only the WS6 Trans ams and SS Camaros are faster than a stock 5.0...

and for those youre gonna pay alot more than 10k..

for 10k you can still get up to around a 2003 GT in nice condition.. but a 5k 1987-1993 5.0 and 5k in mods would have you into the 10 second quarter mile range..

So a 14 second car is faster than a 13 second car? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a stock LS2 GTO could be easily beaten by a stock Mustang GT? lol

Edit: BTW - The Camaro SS or TA WS6 dyno only a small amount higher than their other LS1 counterparts. Some stock Z28s and TAs have actually dynod higher at the rear wheels.

Ive owned 6 Mustangs from the Fox body years and every single one of them went well into the 13s the very second I pulled off that crappy 4 cat exhaust and put on a offroad Hpipe.. and flows.. less that 200 bucks to be into the 13s..
and Ive also had 3 camaros and 2 firebirds over the years and not one of them would go 13s out of the box.. they too needed a little work... Fbodies are junk.. they rattle themselves apart after less than 100k miles... they have major traction problems that are harder to solve than a 5.0 stang..
thier aftermarket parts are much more expensive.. and they are harder for a shadetree mechanic to work on..
the 5.0 is byfar the most economic muscle car you can buy.. they can be in the 10s and 9s for under 6k over the cost of the car... which for most 5.0s is around 4-5k.. and alot of the time some of the mods will already be done on these cars in this pricerange..

My wife had one up until last year when I told her she should sell it. You want to talk about rattles? This thing had a jarring suspension that would rattle everything inside. It was the 5-spd and yet I know my Z28 could easily outrun it with far less rattle going down the road.

It's best to not feed the fanboys...

how can I be a fanboy when i have had one of each of the cars in question...
in some cases mutiples..

1984 Ford Mustang GT
1984 Chevy Corvette
1985 Chevy IROC 350
1988 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Pontiac GTA Trans Am
1991 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1992 Pontiac Formula Firebird 350
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1995 Ford Mustang GT Vert 5.0

none of these cars were as fast as a midly tuned 5.0.. stock 5.0s are not what we are talking about we are talkign about modded cars..
and everyone even chevy fan boys know how cheap and fast 5.0s can be in comparison to thier beloved Corvettes and Camaros and Firebirds... and its no big secret even to GM fans that the F bodies were notorius rattletraps... even the vettes with thier plastic interiors from those years rattled.

the stangs were much simpler car... less frills less weight.. easy to work on motor.. hell a 10 year old can troubleshoot a 5.0 EFI system..
the TPI in comparison in the GMs was a freaking nightmare...
and it became worse as time went on more and more complex.. and the engines tighter and tighter in the engine bays.. hell the damn camaro motor was halfway hidden under the car in later years.. making it virtually impossible to do your own work.

2 people can take the engine out of a 5.0 on a friday night and rebuild it and have it running back in the car on Sunday they were so simple and easy to work on.. it was a mechanics dream car.. everything easy to get to..

we tried the same thing on the damn IROC and it took a week... it took an entire night just to get the intakes and fuel system out of the way. not to mention the pain in the ass it was to pull the motor out of that car..

 

[dmw16]

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996

Originally posted by: dmw16
the generation before the last gen of Supras were turbo'd, but not that fast. I'll say it again...Grand Prix GTP. I smacked around Mustang GTs, Z28 Camaros, WRX's...the list goes on and on. For 10k I could buy a Grand Prix GTP and make it a 12sec car and still drive it to work every day and go grocery shopping.

The GTP is a good fast car , a good friend of mine has an 02' with an aftermarket supercharger on it , injectors , and exhaust , and it is fast. Every time we've raced I smoke his ass though, but I'm not getting the wheelspin he does , and I'm a hell of a lot lighter with AWD. There's no comparison.
GTP is a nice ride though , and something worth looking into if you want a family car with some nuts.

Yeah, that I think was what I was getting at. It is practical and fast. For it's size it is really quick - mainly thanks to TONS of torque. I do miss it sometimes, but overall I am happy w/ my new S2000

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: railer
2 door/4 door....I don't care.

The EVO's and STI's of a few years ago didn't have the snort that the '04+'s have. Any they go for well over 20k. I keep going back to Mustangs and <shiver> camaros.
1) They're cheap
2) They're fast
3) They're cheap to fix. Blowing up a Mitsu Lancer Evo won't make the wife happy.

I honestly dread being seen in a camaro....but they're faster AND cheaper than Mustangs. So please god someone mention some other cars.

Are you really on crack? only the WS6 Trans ams and SS Camaros are faster than a stock 5.0...

and for those youre gonna pay alot more than 10k..

for 10k you can still get up to around a 2003 GT in nice condition.. but a 5k 1987-1993 5.0 and 5k in mods would have you into the 10 second quarter mile range..

So a 14 second car is faster than a 13 second car? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a stock LS2 GTO could be easily beaten by a stock Mustang GT? lol

Edit: BTW - The Camaro SS or TA WS6 dyno only a small amount higher than their other LS1 counterparts. Some stock Z28s and TAs have actually dynod higher at the rear wheels.

Ive owned 6 Mustangs from the Fox body years and every single one of them went well into the 13s the very second I pulled off that crappy 4 cat exhaust and put on a offroad Hpipe.. and flows.. less that 200 bucks to be into the 13s..
and Ive also had 3 camaros and 2 firebirds over the years and not one of them would go 13s out of the box.. they too needed a little work... Fbodies are junk.. they rattle themselves apart after less than 100k miles... they have major traction problems that are harder to solve than a 5.0 stang..
thier aftermarket parts are much more expensive.. and they are harder for a shadetree mechanic to work on..
the 5.0 is byfar the most economic muscle car you can buy.. they can be in the 10s and 9s for under 6k over the cost of the car... which for most 5.0s is around 4-5k.. and alot of the time some of the mods will already be done on these cars in this pricerange..

My wife had one up until last year when I told her she should sell it. You want to talk about rattles? This thing had a jarring suspension that would rattle everything inside. It was the 5-spd and yet I know my Z28 could easily outrun it with far less rattle going down the road.

It's best to not feed the fanboys...

how can I be a fanboy when i have had one of each of the cars in question...
in some cases mutiples..

1984 Ford Mustang GT
1984 Chevy Corvette
1985 Chevy IROC 350
1988 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Pontiac GTA Trans Am
1991 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1992 Pontiac Formula Firebird 350
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1995 Ford Mustang GT Vert 5.0

none of these cars were as fast as a midly tuned 5.0.. stock 5.0s are not what we are talking about we are talkign about modded cars..
and everyone even chevy fan boys know how cheap and fast 5.0s can be in comparison to thier beloved Corvettes and Camaros and Firebirds... and its no big secret even to GM fans that the F bodies were notorius rattletraps... even the vettes with thier plastic interiors from those years rattled.

the stangs were much simpler car... less frills less weight.. easy to work on motor.. hell a 10 year old can troubleshoot a 5.0 EFI system..
the TPI in comparison in the GMs was a freaking nightmare...
and it became worse as time went on more and more complex.. and the engines tighter and tighter in the engine bays.. hell the damn camaro motor was halfway hidden under the car in later years.. making it virtually impossible to do your own work.

2 people can take the engine out of a 5.0 on a friday night and rebuild it and have it running back in the car on Sunday they were so simple and easy to work on.. it was a mechanics dream car.. everything easy to get to..

we tried the same thing on the damn IROC and it took a week... it took an entire night just to get the intakes and fuel system out of the way. not to mention the pain in the ass it was to pull the motor out of that car..

Your experience is with the old 3rd gens. Those rattle like crazy and most are greatly underpowered. Mine especially so since I didn't feel like putting all the screws back in after replacing the heater core. The 4th gens dominated the Mustangs in every year the generation was produced.

 

[SuperSix]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: SuperSix
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-BUI...013QQcategoryZ6137QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

the GN is a nice car, however there is a better 1987 Trans-Am that is less known, faster, has a higher top speed, and has the same damn engine.

and its cheaper to boot.

Actually the turbo V6 was available in the '89 Trans Am only. They made a hair over 1500 of them, and examples in good condition fetch comparable prices to the GN (maybe slightly less) and are very hard to find for sale. That said, I'd rather have an '89 TTA than a GN, although both are awesome cars.

yea, yea yea, i knew what i was talkin about, but didnt know the year

if i ever have money burning a hole in my pocket, i will buy both.

both will sound like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Raozug7bKo&mode=related&search=

Sadly - that's a GN with a small-block twin-turbo chevy. But it runs 7's in the 1/4 mile.

Engine pic: http://420.teamstreetlegal.com/pics/chrismotor.jpg

http://mnfbody.com/printthread.php?t=58&pp=40

In car vid: http://www.fasttrackperformance.com/page5/Chow%20movie%20files/Incar_Chow.mpg

 

[Sukhoi]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
I always had a thing for the 90-96 300ZX

Originally posted by: railer
I like those z's too....but they're almost like a collectors item. Mad cash even for a 91 TT.
Supra TT's are the same way. Crazy expensize.... :/

....and not the iroc-z either......

my Z

another pic of my Z

WTF is in the background of pic 2?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Get a Mustang GT. The Crapmaro will just fall apart and they are rattle traps.

 

[Maxspeed996]

Originally posted by: SuperSix

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: SuperSix
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-BUI...013QQcategoryZ6137QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

the GN is a nice car, however there is a better 1987 Trans-Am that is less known, faster, has a higher top speed, and has the same damn engine.

and its cheaper to boot.

Actually the turbo V6 was available in the '89 Trans Am only. They made a hair over 1500 of them, and examples in good condition fetch comparable prices to the GN (maybe slightly less) and are very hard to find for sale. That said, I'd rather have an '89 TTA than a GN, although both are awesome cars.

yea, yea yea, i knew what i was talkin about, but didnt know the year

if i ever have money burning a hole in my pocket, i will buy both.

both will sound like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Raozug7bKo&mode=related&search=

Sadly - that's a GN with a small-block twin-turbo chevy. But it runs 7's in the 1/4 mile.

Engine pic: http://420.teamstreetlegal.com/pics/chrismotor.jpg

http://mnfbody.com/printthread.php?t=58&pp=40

In car vid: http://www.fasttrackperformance.com/page5/Chow%20movie%20files/Incar_Chow.mpg

Yea , and there's a TAD more than 15k in that car I guarantee it. And it's definately not streetable.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: railer
2 door/4 door....I don't care.

The EVO's and STI's of a few years ago didn't have the snort that the '04+'s have. Any they go for well over 20k. I keep going back to Mustangs and <shiver> camaros.
1) They're cheap
2) They're fast
3) They're cheap to fix. Blowing up a Mitsu Lancer Evo won't make the wife happy.

I honestly dread being seen in a camaro....but they're faster AND cheaper than Mustangs. So please god someone mention some other cars.

with 10-12k CASH on hand, you could buy a cheap a rx7 body and throw a ls1 in it and it wouldnt cost more then 6-8k. you get the great weight balance and a beastly v8 for power. or, you could buy a civic shell and do a k20a swap and have a fwd BEAST.

or you could buy a 200sx and put an sr-20det in it. you can do a lot with that much cash. build up a corvette! mustangs are ... meh.