fastest socket 478 cpu

[happy medium]

I have a 3.06,533 bus that I run at 3.35. What's the fastest 478 socket cpu I can pop in that will give me the largest increase in games,overclocked. I think this cpu is bottlenecking my video card .(7800gs). Would it be a 3.4 ,800 bus northy overclocked? Or would the faster bus speed of a 3.0 northy overclocked be better. Any suggestions?

editopps 478 socket I meant

 

[ForgetCassettes]

Do you mean socket 478 or is there a socket 378 that I'm not aware of?

 

[brianlam425]

Edit : never mind core 1 is socket 479

 

[myocardia]

I'd personally go with a Core Duo (no, not a Core 2 Duo). They're Skt. 478, and they overclock really well, better than the P4C's. For instance, a Core at 3.0 Ghz will beat a Northwood at 4.5.

edit: This is the one I'd get (it's faster than a 3.2 Northwood at stock): Core Duo T2400

edit2: Forget about the Core Duo, unless you can still find an Asus CT-479 adaptor that's needed to run one on a Socket 478 motherboard. It seems that it's Skt 479. Intel and their sockets...

 

[stevty2889]

Honestly I would just keep what you have, other than the rare exception, northwood don't get much past 3.4-3.5ghz anyway when overclocked. If you have a revision of the board that supports prescott, that wouldn't be a good option either. Clock for clock the northwood was faster than prescott. My 3.06 ran at 3.45ghz, and kept up with my prescott at 3.8ghz, but didn't run nearly as hot.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: myocardia
I'd personally go with a Core Duo (no, not a Core 2 Duo). They're Skt. 478, and they overclock really well, better than the P4C's. For instance, a Core at 3.0 Ghz will beat a Northwood at 4.5.

edit: This is the one I'd get (it's faster than a 3.2 Northwood at stock): Core Duo T2400

edit2: Forget about the Core Duo, unless you can still find an Asus CT-479 adaptor that's needed to run one on a Socket 478 motherboard. It seems that it's Skt 479. Intel and their sockets...

The CT-479 doesn't support core duo anyway, only supports Banias and Dothan CPU's, and doesnt' work with the Abit board anyway.

 

[nzimmers]

Why not just go Core 2 duo?

You can still use your ram and video card card on the Asrock ASRock 775Dual-VSTA it only costs about $55 and then buy a E6300 Conroe for about $235 - so for under $300 you can get into a C2D setup and I'm sure it would kick down anthing that's socket 478

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Honestly I would just keep what you have, other than the rare exception, northwood don't get much past 3.4-3.5ghz anyway when overclocked. If you have a revision of the board that supports prescott, that wouldn't be a good option either. Clock for clock the northwood was faster than prescott. My 3.06 ran at 3.45ghz, and kept up with my prescott at 3.8ghz, but didn't run nearly as hot.

Hmm, I find that a little hard to believe as Prescott clock for clock is faster than a NW 533FSB but perhaps slightly slower than a NW 800FSB. Prescott does scale better with increasec clockspeeds also.

OP, if you can find a 2nd hand s478 NW 800FSB or Prescott that can do 3.5GHz+ then that's probably your best option.

 

[gobucks]

upgrading on that platform is pointless. about the best you could hope for on socket 478 would be an overclocked 3.6GHz northwood or prescott. are you seriously gonna bother buying another CPU just to get another 265MHz? that translates to a whopping ..... drumroll please .... 7% performance increase.

If you want better gaming performance, you're gonna have to move to a platform that doesn't suck at it (netburst is terrible for games). You could get a socket 939 athlon X2 and OC it for much better performance, and you could keep most of your other components (you'll need an nforce 3 for AGP). or, even better, get a C2D e6300 for $210. those things OC like mad, many of them hitting 3GHz. as far as performance, that's roughly the same as dual 6GHz P4's, so that's nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Kwint Sommer]

Until yesterday I was using a socket 478 3.2 GHz Prescott. It overclocks to 4.1 with a little water cooling and can hit 5GHz with subzero temps. The northwoods are cooler so if you have a crappy cooler they will overclock higher but you won't see a Northwood above 4 GHz regardless of temp. and voltage. The Prescott runs hot but when cooled it runs fast.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: harpoon84

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Honestly I would just keep what you have, other than the rare exception, northwood don't get much past 3.4-3.5ghz anyway when overclocked. If you have a revision of the board that supports prescott, that wouldn't be a good option either. Clock for clock the northwood was faster than prescott. My 3.06 ran at 3.45ghz, and kept up with my prescott at 3.8ghz, but didn't run nearly as hot.

Hmm, I find that a little hard to believe as Prescott clock for clock is faster than a NW 533FSB but perhaps slightly slower than a NW 800FSB. Prescott does scale better with increasec clockspeeds also.

OP, if you can find a 2nd hand s478 NW 800FSB or Prescott that can do 3.5GHz+ then that's probably your best option.

The Prescott has a longer pipeline and slower cache. You can beleive what you want, I believe what I saw with my own 2 eyes. The northwood @3.45 was faster than the prescott at 3.8ghz in gaming, audio encoding, rendering, the Prescott was faster at video encoding.

 

[996GT2]

My parents havea 3.0C, 800FSB Northwood in their computer and it's fast for most tasks. You could consider upgrading to a 3.0or 3.2C with an 800FSB and a Northwood (NOT Prescott) core if you have the money, but I don't think the price of one of those justifies the performance gain (unless you can score one for ~20 ).

 

[Keysplayr]

OP, it is my understanding that you just want to know what the fastest socket 478 processor is yes? Folks kind of ran away with themselves with many (goodish?) suggestions, but, a 3.4GHz Northwood (3.4C) with 800MHz fsb would pep up your performance all around. Not only is the processor faster, but the whole platform will be running at a faster speed because of the faster bus. Hopefully you have DDR400 memory.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
OP, it is my understanding that you just want to know what the fastest socket 478 processor is yes? Folks kind of ran away with themselves with many (goodish?) suggestions, but, a 3.4GHz Northwood (3.4C) with 800MHz fsb would pep up your performance all around. Not only is the processor faster, but the whole platform will be running at a faster speed because of the faster bus. Hopefully you have DDR400 memory.

Except his 3.06 is already running at 3.35, and unless he gets lucky, the rare and expensive 3.4c isn't going to give him a much higher overclock, or drastic performance increase.

 

[happy medium]

Is this the cpu your talking about?-http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=P3.4_800&c=pw .For the price of this I could sell my 3.06 for $90.00 on ebay (the going price),and pay 20.00$ for a decent upgrade. This cpu is 800fsb and will run ddr400 memory at it's potential. My cpu is the 533 fsb version. Remember I'll overclock the 3.4 to 3.6 also,so I should see some good improvements right? Faster bus,memoryand clocks. Just want to push my overclocked 7800gs to it's limits.

example: look at the cpu scores -http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1981958

lower cpu clocks higher cpu score here. The bus speed really matters http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1931797

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Is this the cpu your talking about?-http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=P3.4_800&c=pw .For the price of this I could sell my 3.06 for $90.00 on ebay (the going price),and pay 20.00$ for a decent upgrade. This cpu is 800fsb and will run ddr400 memory at it's potential. My cpu is the 533 fsb version. Remember I'll overclock the 3.4 to 3.6 also,so I should see some good improvements right? Faster bus,memoryand clocks. Just want to push my overclocked 7800gs to it's limits.

example: look at the cpu scores -http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1981958

lower cpu clocks higher cpu score here. The bus speed really matters http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1931797

Yep, thats a 3.4ghz northwood. Didn't realize they could be found so cheap now. Anyway for $20, it wouldn't hurt to try, but there is no gurantee it will hit 3.6ghz, and gaming is mainly held back by the video card, so don't expect drastic improvements.

EDIT: p.s. here is an old review of the 3.0c vs. the 3.06ghz P4 when the 800mhz FSB northwoods first came out. You can see that the bus does NOT make a huge differance, and in some cases, the 3.06 was ahead of the 3.0c anyway..

 

[happy medium]

I ran that F.E.A.R. multiplayers demo video options test at 640x480 max& med setting I scored 43 fps min.
Then I ran it 1024x768 with ALL options maxed and scored 41fps min. Wouldn't that be a cpu bottleneck? thanks in advance

all my scores: all settings maxed: What's my bottleneck?
min/average/ max
640x480 43/112/266 cpu bottleneck?
800x600 43/111/273 cpu?
1024x768 42/107/263 cpu?
1152x864 42/106/262 cpu?
1600x1200 30/76/154 video card bottleneck right?
edit that's with video card 475 ,1.35
videocard overclocked at 500,1.45 at 1600x 1200 min./average/max
34 79 162

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: happy medium
I ran that F.E.A.R. multiplayers demo video options test at 640x480 max& med setting I scored 43 fps min.
Then I ran it 1024x768 with ALL options maxed and scored 41fps min. Wouldn't that be a cpu bottleneck? thanks in advance

all my scores: all settings maxed: What's my bottleneck?
min/average/ max
640x480 43/112/266 cpu bottleneck?
800x600 43/111/273 cpu?
1024x768 42/107/263 cpu?
1152x864 42/106/262 cpu?
1600x1200 30/76/154 video card bottleneck right?
edit that's with video card 475 ,1.35
videocard overclocked at 500,1.45 at 1600x 1200 min./average/max
34 79 162

Easy way to test that..drop the CPU back to stock speeds, and run the same test..

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: happy medium
I ran that F.E.A.R. multiplayers demo video options test at 640x480 max& med setting I scored 43 fps min.
Then I ran it 1024x768 with ALL options maxed and scored 41fps min. Wouldn't that be a cpu bottleneck? thanks in advance

all my scores: all settings maxed: What's my bottleneck?
min/average/ max
640x480 43/112/266 cpu bottleneck?
800x600 43/111/273 cpu?
1024x768 42/107/263 cpu?
1152x864 42/106/262 cpu?
1600x1200 30/76/154 video card bottleneck right?
edit that's with video card 475 ,1.35
videocard overclocked at 500,1.45 at 1600x 1200 min./average/max
34 79 162

Easy way to test that..drop the CPU back to stock speeds, and run the same test..

ran all test with no overclock all max settings ,7800gs at 475,1.35

640x480 -- 38/104/253
800x600 -- 37/100/241
1024x768 - 35/99/249
1152x864-- 34/96/237
1280x960-- 31/91/218 (missed this one before)
1600x1200- 31/72/152

So what's the conclusion I need more cpu??

I'll run the same test with my card overclocked to the max,with no cpu overclock.
edit:
7800gs card at 510 core 1.45 memory-(and ready to melt) no cpu overclock

640x480---37/102/248
860x600---37/101/250
1024x768--36/99/250
1152x864--35/96/240
1280x960--35/92/224
1600x1200-33/76/161

7800gs at 510,1.45
cpu @ 3.45
640x 480 - 46/121/295
then it (cpu) crashed

tried cpu at 3.427
640x480 --45/118/285
800x600--44/116/289
and it also crashed cpu

As you can see with no cpu overclock it's slower
I need more cpu,bus,and faster memory speeds, right?

Thanks in advance

 

[Keysplayr]

For NET 20.00, I'd say it's worth the try. Maybe you can o/c the 3.4C a bit.