fat kid getting bullied slams other kid

[Nik]

I don't believe that. The problem with being "unpredictable" is that you're unpredictable, even to yourself.

 

[exdeath]

The best fighters are the ones that are calm and calculating, yet are so fast and explosive that it LOOKS like they are going crazy and being unpredictable to the untrained eye even though every single move is deliberate.

 

[Ninjahedge]

It amazes me how some people go through life.
That was about as "self-defense" as it gets.
If he walked away, the little kid would have hit him again.

No, it wasn't.

This is very different that self defense. Again, you are pushing me to one extreme rather than reading what I say in context.

I am not saying that the little one was right, but I am also saying that the Big kid needs to know what he is capable of.

If you had the power to point your finger at someone and kill them simply by going "bang", it does not justify you doing so because they punched you.

This big kid could have easily gone "bang" if he was just a little closer to that planter and the other kids head hit it.


Again, I am amazed at the people who somehow find this funny. That we are part of a society that finds someone getting seriously hurt (actually two people) somehow laughable. This is the same kind of crap that has people laughing over people seriously injuring themselves while doing sports. That getting hurt is a joke.

Just because many of you may have had a similar experience and wished you could have donne the same does not validate any of this.

You wonder why they keep taking it off YT? Because it sets a bad example that could get a LOT of kids hurt, some just to get an internet "lol" as they record and post it.

 

[Nik]

No sympathy, here. I'm glad the little shit got hurt and I'm glad fatty stood up for himself, providing an example to other little shits that he's not to be messed with without severe consequences.

Good boy.

 

[Ninjahedge]

I call it bullying because you hear the other kids recording it and laughing at him. I'd bet anything that fat kid has become the school whipping boy and the little kid thought he mine as well join in since the fat kid wouldn't fight back(or so he thought). He probably let it go on for so long because there was a crowd of them messing with him.

He was probably the last straw.

This kid may have gotten the same from many others that were larger than this one and he had to put up with it (or get into a serious fight).

This one was just the last straw. He knew it too simply by the fact that he did not start kicking him as soon as he hit the ground.

I still want to find out who taped it. Just standing there with this going on, are we all spectators with no balls these days?

 

[ShawnD1]

Again, I am amazed at the people who somehow find this funny. That we are part of a society that finds someone getting seriously hurt (actually two people) somehow laughable. This is the same kind of crap that has people laughing over people seriously injuring themselves while doing sports. That getting hurt is a joke.

It's justice that we love. A kid falling off his bike and breaking a leg is tragic. A kid being body slammed after starting a fight is awesome. You know how sometimes you'll watch the news and there's some story about some old man gets robbed, and you say something like "man I hope we find that guy and kill him." This is one of those times where that guy was found, and he was pwned by his own victim. This is a video showing the underdog winning in a world where they usually don't win.

I laugh equally hard when I hear something on the news about a suicide bomber who blows himself up and nobody else was injured in any way.

Just because many of you may have had a similar experience and wished you could have donne the same does not validate any of this.

I'm sorry but yes it does.

You wonder why they keep taking it off YT? Because it sets a bad example that could get a LOT of kids hurt, some just to get an internet "lol" as they record and post it.

Encouraging bullied kids to pwn the fuck out of bullies is BAD? So now you're pro-bully? Are you also pro-terrorism? Should we boo the police when they find serial killers?

 

[Ninjahedge]

Shaun, it does not VALIDATE it. It makes you feel better about it, but it is still going WAY beyond what was needed to end it there and then.

And encouraging kids to nearly KILL other ones, no matter WHO they are is bad. There will be others that will try something like this, somehow thinking it would be funny to get online (as evidenced by the LOLs here) or as some other form of vindication.

Nowhere have I agreed with what the little kid did. But what he did does not justify the level of hurt that was inflicted. The big guy has to learn that that was not the right thing to do (gone too far).

BTW, who was the big kid that came in right after the fight? Was he the one that egged on the little guy to fight? Was he the reason the fat kid put up with so much before he snapped? Was HE the reason he left as soon as he body slammed him? (knowing he might have to fight him as well)?


Bottom line is simple. Someone insulting your momma is reason enough to take a crowbar to their head. You have to be in control of yourself, even if action itself is validated. Striking back is validated, but not very honorable. Walking away would have been honorable (and the hardest thing to do).

Body slamming onto a planter was losing control. Like I said, a few inches more and that other kid could be dead.

Killing someone for punching you just is not equitable.

 

[Nik]

...in your opinion

No death was had, here, stop exaggerating. Additionally, the only part of his body that hit the planter was ONE FOOT. The rest of him hit the ground.

Hypothetical situations are not analogous to the simple facts on the video. Get a freakin grip on reality.

 

[thegimp03]

Killing someone for punching you just is not equitable.

Agreed, but the big kid didn't kill the little kid. He probably shouldn't have powerbombed him into the cement, or even so close to the planter, but I don't think a lot of kids or even a lot of adults think about the consequences of their actions beforehand.

 

[highland145]

Ninja, What's your solution to the on going problem this boy faced. Obviously no one in charge had helped him.

You know why we approved. We have been in the same situation and wished we'd done more. Stood up for ourselves.

 

[Nik]

Ninja, What's your solution to the on going problem this boy faced. Obviously no one in charge had helped him.

You know why we approved. We have been in the same situation and wished we'd done more. Stood up for ourselves.

No kidding. The "adult" behind them seems to just sit and watch. On one hand, what a bitch for watching it happen, but on the other hand I'm glad she didn't because that skinny asshole got exactly what's coming to him.

 

[jonks]

Body slamming onto a planter was losing control. Like I said, a few inches more and that other kid could be dead.

Darwin. Don't poke the elephant, he can trample you.

 

[Stuxnet]

not really bullying if you are picking on someone huge people seem to miss the point, real bullying involves fear, because the person being picked on has no recourse. this was a little brat picking a fight with someone who knew they could kick their ass but probably just held it back until then. i mean really that fat kid looked annoyed more than anything else.

labeling this bullying is just way out of line. this is standard school yard jerkery.

This is a load of horseshit and you have no clue what you're talking about. The most bullied kid in my junior high school was a 250lb beast, but he had no social skills whatsoever. Despite being ginormous and probably able to kick anyone's ass, the treatment he got from everyone else as a group - I mean MOB - negated any physical advantage he may have had. His life was miserable and eventually his parents had to put him into a private school.

One of my greatest regrets in life was being part of the mob that made that guy's life miserable. Arguing that this kid wasn't being bullied because he's big is fucking stupid. I can't even imagine the mental torture a kid like that goes through when he knows he's everyone's target - physical or verbal. The feeling that you're not wanted by any of your peers... like someone else said, no kid should have to endure that, let alone day after day for hours on end.

 

[waggy]

By the most skilled defensive fighter in the entire world.

When in doubt, put your money on the crazy guy. Crazy guy usually wins the fights.

wrong. look at the top fighters in MMA. they aren't crazy and they stay calm even when getting there ass handed to them and still come out on top.

there are reasons fighters like GSP, sivlia, Fedor are top dogs.

Brock Lesnar won a lot of fights just by overpowering people and charging at them. He's not exactly the most skilled fighter.

he is also a damn good wrestler. he has the ability to take you down and keep you down and do what he wants. now his ability to take a punch is shit and he seems to wimp out when hit.

 

[waggy]

Shaun, it does not VALIDATE it. It makes you feel better about it, but it is still going WAY beyond what was needed to end it there and then.

And encouraging kids to nearly KILL other ones, no matter WHO they are is bad. There will be others that will try something like this, somehow thinking it would be funny to get online (as evidenced by the LOLs here) or as some other form of vindication.

Nowhere have I agreed with what the little kid did. But what he did does not justify the level of hurt that was inflicted. The big guy has to learn that that was not the right thing to do (gone too far).

BTW, who was the big kid that came in right after the fight? Was he the one that egged on the little guy to fight? Was he the reason the fat kid put up with so much before he snapped? Was HE the reason he left as soon as he body slammed him? (knowing he might have to fight him as well)?


Bottom line is simple. Someone insulting your momma is reason enough to take a crowbar to their head. You have to be in control of yourself, even if action itself is validated. Striking back is validated, but not very honorable. Walking away would have been honorable (and the hardest thing to do).

Body slamming onto a planter was losing control. Like I said, a few inches more and that other kid could be dead.

Killing someone for punching you just is not equitable.

he didn't kill him for calling his mamma fat. he fought back after being hit. once in the head and then in the body. oh and he did not kill him. he picked him up and slammed him. He didn't even kick, stomp or anything when he could have.

he showed a LOT of restraint.

 

[ShawnD1]

he didn't kill him for calling his mamma fat. he fought back after being hit. once in the head and then in the body. oh and he did not kill him. he picked him up and slammed him. He didn't even kick, stomp or anything when he could have.

he showed a LOT of restraint.

Coolest thing I ever saw was the small Asian kid lose it and attack a guy twice his size. He completely choked the bigger guy out. It wasn't really a bully, just more of a guy who liked to show off wrestling moves and things like that.

 

[Stuxnet]

This whole thing actually reminds me of one of my favorite memories as a parent. My son is now 8 years old; he's two weeks younger than his cousin (my wife's sister's son). Said cousin's father pretty much only gets involved to teach his kids how to play sports. Other than that he's MIA. Not the worst father around by any stretch, but he's not winning any awards, either.

Out of the blue two years ago, their son starts picking fights nonstop with our son. My son is actually quite a pacifist, like his mother. It just doesn't compute with him when someone starts picking a fight. He doesn't get scared or back down, which is actually a bit unfortunate, because he doesn't fight back, either. He'll just stand there and try to figure how why the other person is being so aggressive.

After it really started becoming a problem, we told our son to just walk away and come get the parents (remember, he was 6 at the time) whenever this happened. One day this was happening - yet AGAIN - at a family function (usually in full view of all four parents involved, and grandparents). My wife's sister just looked my son dead in the eye and said "let's not be tattletales, okay?" and then just laughed it off and looked to me and said "boys will be boys, right?"

To answer your question at this point, yes, she's a fucking retard.

So I call my son over to me and in the presence of all involved, explain to him "Next time he picks a fight with you, I want you to punch him in the jaw - like this *gentle demonstration* - and then take him to the ground - like this. While you restrain him, yell for one of us to come get you guys."

Everyone - including my wife - looked at me like I was out of my mind. Maybe I was... anywho...

"Sorry, I didn't realize we were at the 'boys-will-be-boys' stage yet and were taking the hands-off approach. Now that we're all on the same page, I'm sure it will all work out just fine."

My retard-in-law ran and got her son, took him into another room for about 15 minutes. This was a year ago, and to this day I have no idea what was said, but there hasn't been a single incident since.

Since then I've been teaching my son how to defend himself RESPONSIBLY. I really never wanted to have to do it in the first place, let alone at such a young age, but I've come across a number of parents with bullies-in-the-making who have no fucking problem with how aggressive their kids are, so long as their kids aren't the ones with the short end of the stick.

 

[highland145]

snip.

:thumbsup:

 

[Nik]

:thumbsup: that's a good dad

 

[dpodblood]

That skinny little kid got exactly what he deserved. He should take this lesson and learn a little respect for his fellow man! Was the big kids retaliation overkill? Hell no... If he would have walked away the bully would have persisted. If he would have fought back with his fists it would have lead to a long drawn out fight he wanted no involvement with in the first place. No I think his reaction was perfect. Firstly he showed incredible restraint taking the 1st 2 hits without destroying the little brat there and then. But when he persisted the big kid took the most efficient way out of the situation he could, by completely immobilizing his aggressor, and destroying his ego to the point that he will never try that shit again.

 

[epidemis]

Owned, though it looked pretty dangerous. If he slammed him head first into the concrete, it would have been disastrous.

 

[davmat787]

Shaun, it does not VALIDATE it. It makes you feel better about it, but it is still going WAY beyond what was needed to end it there and then.

And encouraging kids to nearly KILL other ones, no matter WHO they are is bad. There will be others that will try something like this, somehow thinking it would be funny to get online (as evidenced by the LOLs here) or as some other form of vindication.

Nowhere have I agreed with what the little kid did. But what he did does not justify the level of hurt that was inflicted. The big guy has to learn that that was not the right thing to do (gone too far).

BTW, who was the big kid that came in right after the fight? Was he the one that egged on the little guy to fight? Was he the reason the fat kid put up with so much before he snapped? Was HE the reason he left as soon as he body slammed him? (knowing he might have to fight him as well)?


Bottom line is simple. Someone insulting your momma is reason enough to take a crowbar to their head. You have to be in control of yourself, even if action itself is validated. Striking back is validated, but not very honorable. Walking away would have been honorable (and the hardest thing to do).

Body slamming onto a planter was losing control. Like I said, a few inches more and that other kid could be dead.

Killing someone for punching you just is not equitable.

He was not body slammed onto a planter, nor was he killed for punching the larger kid.

Back to reality, we hear from time to time of some poor kid killing himself because they can't handle the bullying anymore. With that fact in hand, what do you think the emotional state is for someone who has been bullied for some time, as is the case with Casey in the video? All of the previous times where he walked away did nothing, it only emboldens the bully and in their twisted mind, provides more reason to escalate the bullying. Did you not notice how he did show some restraint? He took a shot right in the face, did nothing. Took another shot, did nothing.

At what point is self defense justified, if taking several punches is not?

 

[Nik]

Owned, though it looked pretty dangerous. If he slammed him head first into the concrete, it would have been disastrous.

Ya, totally. I guess that scrawny asshole will think twice next time he wants to pick on people, right?

"Man, that kid could have dropped me on my head, paralyzing me or killing me, but he didn't. He could have stomped my face to a pulp while I was powerless on the ground, looking like a fool in front of my 'friends' and in front of the cam, but he didn't."

 

[Paladin3]

Asshole bullies only understand one language: pain. Casey asked to be left alone many times, but it wasn't until he finally spoke in the bully's native tongue that the bully finally understood what he was saying. Bully's parents should have taught him to listen better.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Ninja, What's your solution to the on going problem this boy faced. Obviously no one in charge had helped him.

There was nobody in charge present. Should we think that all adoescents are in need of constant supervision?

What should have happened is SOMEBODY should have gotten a teacher. Our society somehow finds the "snitch" as someone that should NOT be respected. A trator of some sort, a coward, when all they are doing is getting someone who DOES have the authority to do something to do so.

This is where it starts. No bully wants to be defeated by something he has no power over, and they resent being reminded of it too. They lash out at the ones that do the right thing and turn it into a stigmata of shame.

So we have a group of kids just standing and watching this happen. Hell, one filming the damn thing! I am sure any one of them that was was big enough to get that little sh!t to stop. NOBODY wanted to.

Every single observer that did nothing should also be faced with punishment for letting something like this get to where it got to.

You know why we approved. We have been in the same situation and wished we'd done more. Stood up for ourselves.

I was not going to say this, but yeah. 90% of us on here are, or were, geeks to some extent. Fat, skinny, uncoordinated, or just plain not cool for being smart. Does not matter. We all feel for the big kid and that is why NONE of us, myself included, has said that he should be arrested (BTW, after getting my head slammed in a locker one year we brought the other kid up on charges, so it CAN happen).

My only points are simple. It is easy to go extreme in either direction. To lash out or run away. The hardest things to do is follow the middle ground. Doing the "right" thing is almost never popular and always one of the hardest things to do.

I do notthink the big guy deserved what he got, but at the same time he knows that a reaction like that does not come w/o payment.

If he does it again, he knows that he will get the same.

The same goes for the little sh!t kissingthe pavement.


I hope they both learned something that will help them in life, and have not actually suffered enough to give them problems later in life.