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Murloc

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It is mostly laziness, a meal can be thrown together cheaply and easily, it's just not as easy as ordering a pizza before leaving work and having it ready to eat by the time i get my shoes off. Doesn't help that like most people, you have to carve out like an hour to go from work -> grocery store -> buy stuff -> wait in line -> drive home, then add prep/cook time. If I didn't get groceries ahead of time, cooking something means an hour and a half minimum of my afternoon/evening before I get to eat.

I will say that the rotisserie chickens you can get basically anywhere now are a godsend, and they kind of take the place of street-food from other nations in the US. Large (ish), fully cooked chicken for like 5 bucks? Sure! Grab some frozen veggies and you've got a meal for four right there.
you don't have to shop every day though, once a week is enough to eat fresh vegetables all week.

Making large quantities of ragout, ragù or spezzatino from family packs of meat and then freezing also removes a lot of preparation time because it takes the same amount of time and you can reheat in the microwave (not that doing ragout takes any effort other than being in the house).
 

[DHT]Osiris

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you don't have to shop every day though, once a week is enough to eat fresh vegetables all week.

Making large quantities of ragout or spezzatino from family packs of meat and then freezing also removes a lot of preparation time because it takes the same amount of time and you can reheat in the microwave (not that doing ragout takes any effort other than being in the house).

Until the GF says she doesn't want whatever we have in the house, then I'm going to the store again :d But yes that's quite valid, if you can actually plan out meals and shop accordingly you can save yourself time.
 

purbeast0

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Good on you. Make sure to keep eating though, fasting can cause your body to start throwing stuff in fat reserves. During my 'diet' I ate an absolute crapton (probably 2500-3000 calories), like an entire chicken for lunch kind of eating. Fat melted away. You might be surprised how little of that is water weight though unless you've also been sweating a lot. If you're urinating clear still you're good, keep drinking water though, it only helps (and keeps you from reaching for sodas and bottles of frosting and shit)

Yes I'm eating a lot and getting a lot of fat/protein. I don't want to lose too much. I'm just trying to lean up and show more cuts in my core, which will in turn show more cuts all around. I'm trying to do it with minimal muscle loss and so far, although only like not even 2 weeks into it, I've gone down a decent amount. I want my weight loss pace to slow down a bit, which I'm assuming it will since I'm sure a good amount was water weight initially.
 
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purbeast0

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It is mostly laziness, a meal can be thrown together cheaply and easily, it's just not as easy as ordering a pizza before leaving work and having it ready to eat by the time i get my shoes off. Doesn't help that like most people, you have to carve out like an hour to go from work -> grocery store -> buy stuff -> wait in line -> drive home, then add prep/cook time. If I didn't get groceries ahead of time, cooking something means an hour and a half minimum of my afternoon/evening before I get to eat.

I will say that the rotisserie chickens you can get basically anywhere now are a godsend, and they kind of take the place of street-food from other nations in the US. Large (ish), fully cooked chicken for like 5 bucks? Sure! Grab some frozen veggies and you've got a meal for four right there.
Well I go (and assumed most people did based on sizes of carts) to the store once a week. I assumed everyone did that and didn't go to the store right before a meal. It takes me like 30 seconds to prepare my proteins. I just put some seasoning on it and put some olive oil in a skillet.

It's easy to tell who is lazy and fat just at the grocery store. You see the obese people going into the checkout with piles of frozen dinners and sodas. A small piece of advice that I'm sure a lot of people already know, but just stick to the outer rim of grocery stores and you will be healthy. In the middle of the stores in the aisles are all of the processed junk crap. The edges typically consist of bread, dairy, fresh protein, and produce. If you just hug the outer edge of the stores to shop you are typically going to be eating a fairly healthy and balanced diet. The only food I pretty much go into the aisles for is soda for my cocktails, salsa and mayo for my chicken salad I make, then mac and cheese and juice boxes for my son.
 
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slag

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oh yeah cream (and even milk) can have a ton of calories. Not to mention sugar. I haven't had sugar in my coffee since 2005, and haven't ever had milk or cream in my coffee.

A double double at Tim Hortons has roughly the same calories as a Big Mac, or so the saying goes.

Cream and sugar isn't as bad as you think. I used a regular flavored creamer and a serving size of 1 tablespoon has 35 calories. I use about 2 tablespoons in a large cup of coffee that lasts me all morning, so 70 additional calories there isn't that bad in the scheme of things. I brew my own coffee at home and add the creamer there. I don't drink coffee from starbucks or McDonalds except maybe once or twice a year.
 

louis redfoot

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Cream and sugar isn't as bad as you think. I used a regular flavored creamer and a serving size of 1 tablespoon has 35 calories. I use about 2 tablespoons in a large cup of coffee that lasts me all morning, so 70 additional calories there isn't that bad in the scheme of things. I brew my own coffee at home and add the creamer there. I don't drink coffee from starbucks or McDonalds except maybe once or twice a year.

2 for $4 mcmuffins at mcdonald's is probably one of the best deals around, along with domino's $6 menu and subway's current $6 footlong sale.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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2 for $4 mcmuffins at mcdonald's is probably one of the best deals around, along with domino's $6 menu and subway's current $6 footlong sale.

Perfect example of cheap, garbage food available to Americans :\ a $4 wad of bread with cheap meat in between, $6 worth of a small pizza (mostly bread and sugary sauce), and a $6 hunk of .. you guessed it, bread, with some token meat and veggies (so it's healthy).
 
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louis redfoot

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Perfect example of cheap, garbage food available to Americans :\ a $4 wad of bread with cheap meat in between, $6 worth of a small pizza (mostly bread and sugary sauce), and a $6 hunk of .. you guessed it, bread, with some token meat and veggies (so it's healthy).

that's by design, farms are subsidized and most have been consolidated into an oligarchy. only the rich starve in america.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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that's by design, farms are subsidized and most have been consolidated into an oligarchy. only the rich starve in america.

Disregarding the nonsensical statement at the end there, you can't blame the food served on farm subsidies. You can blame the overabundance of cheap corn on those subsidies, sure, but nothing's stopping McDonalds serving a chicken breast. No bread, no potatoes, no nothing, just a chicken breast.

Drives me nuts when companies insist they're serving what people want, when human nature is to take whatever's available.
 
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skyking

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Preach it brother!
Hey, just an FYI: I am on a doctor supervised keto diet. I was running long one day and just for kicks I stopped at my biggest nemesis, jack in the box. I asked the lady and for 90 cents she sold me a plain hamburger patty with whatever condiment I wanted. She said they could do that with the chicken too. it is just a seldom used button on the register.
Assholes don't market things like that, but even with being a crappy quality of ground beef, I was able to have shot of protein without having to pay for a bun and strip it off. She said she would toss in the lettuce so I could call it a wrap
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Preach it brother!
Hey, just an FYI: I am on a doctor supervised keto diet. I was running long one day and just for kicks I stopped at my biggest nemesis, jack in the box. I asked the lady and for 90 cents she sold me a plain hamburger patty with whatever condiment I wanted. She said they could do that with the chicken too. it is just a seldom used button on the register.
Assholes don't market things like that, but even with being a crappy quality of ground beef, I was able to have shot of protein without having to pay for a bun and strip it off. She said she would toss in the lettuce so I could call it a wrap

Hah, nice. I've had fast food places baffled and unable to function if I say I want a 'meal' but keep the drink (cuz it's cheaper than ordering object + side). Like unable to process the information, one place they had to just give me an empty cup 'because they had to'. Not sure if I would trust them to get 'just patty' correct, lol.

Compare that though, to some mind-blowing Brazilian 'street food'

 

Ackmed

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It isn't a fat / non-fat graph with one side better than the other. I'll dispute it on multiple grounds:
1) Being too thin is dangerous (anorexia, bulimia, malnutrition, etc are not known to be healthy).
2) Being thin is often associated with several diseases (late stage diabetes for example).
3) Being thin is often good for a while, but you have few reserves for when things do go wrong later in life, so your life expectancy is lessened.

All three are different causes, but the net result is that the longest living people tend to be in the overweight category. One of many studies showing that:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4115619/
"Normal BMI ranges from 18.5 to 24.9; many epidemiological studies show an inverse relationship between mortality and BMI inside the normal BMI range. Other studies show that the lowest mortality in the entire range of BMI is obtained in the overweight range (25–29.9)."

Translation: if you are normal weight, you are better off being on the heavy side of normal. But those in the overweight range have even lower mortality than you.

Now, being morbidly obese is a terrible thing too. This is a U-shaped graph with the lowest mortality being the slightly overweight category.

Yes being anorexic is bad for you. Don't even try to compare being obese and anorexic though. The percentage of obese to anorexic isn't even close. Fact: obesity is much more of a problem. Another fact: vast majority of people are obese/fat of their own choosing. BMI is a flawed method and inaccurate. It's also an arbitrary way to claim who's obese or not. You're trying to justify being fat, like the "dad bod" bullshit.
 
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nakedfrog

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Cream and sugar isn't as bad as you think. I used a regular flavored creamer and a serving size of 1 tablespoon has 35 calories. I use about 2 tablespoons in a large cup of coffee that lasts me all morning, so 70 additional calories there isn't that bad in the scheme of things. I brew my own coffee at home and add the creamer there. I don't drink coffee from starbucks or McDonalds except maybe once or twice a year.
70 calories x 30 days in a month is 2100 calories overall.
Hah, nice. I've had fast food places baffled and unable to function if I say I want a 'meal' but keep the drink (cuz it's cheaper than ordering object + side). Like unable to process the information, one place they had to just give me an empty cup 'because they had to'. Not sure if I would trust them to get 'just patty' correct, lol.
I've had this problem too, used a coupon for some discount on food and a soft drink, and I say I just want water, and they "don't have a button for that", so I proffered the revolutionary suggestion of hitting the soda button, and just filling my fucking cup with water anyway.
(For the record I didn't swear at them out loud, only in my head)
 

dullard

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Yes being anorexic is bad for you. Don't even try to compare being obese and anorexic though. The percentage of obese to anorexic isn't even close. Fact: obesity is much more of a problem. Another fact: vast majority of people are obese/fat of their own choosing. BMI is a flawed method and inaccurate. It's also an arbitrary way to claim who's obese or not. You're trying to justify being fat, like the "dad bod" bullshit.
Yes, BMI is flawed. But study after study shows that longevity is a U-shaped graph with respect to mass. You don't want to be too thin or too fat.

I'm average height and for most of my life was a bean poll at ~120 lbs. I've bulked up by going to the gym and am ~150 lbs right now. I'm not justifying being fat. I'm trying to put on weight (thus I know BMI is actually terrible for bodybuilders and similar athletic people). I'm just stating facts that you want to be slightly above normal weight for maximum life expectancy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15840860
RESULTS:
Relative to the normal weight category (BMI 18.5 to <25), obesity (BMI > or =30) was associated with 111,909 excess deaths (95% confidence interval [CI], 53,754-170,064) and underweight with 33,746 excess deaths (95% CI, 15,726-51,766). Overweight was not associated with excess mortality (-86,094 deaths; 95% CI, -161,223 to -10,966).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19299006
INTERPRETATION:
Although other anthropometric measures (eg, waist circumference, waist-to-hip ratio) could well add extra information to BMI, and BMI to them, BMI is in itself a strong predictor of overall mortality both above and below the apparent optimum of about 22.5-25 kg/m(2).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662372/figure/fig6/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3865852/
Perhaps the most interesting finding is that being overweight at age 65 was associated with better outcomes than normal weight in 14 of 16 comparisons, and 6 of these differences were statistically significant.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9551005/
RESULTS:
There was an inverse relationship between body mass index and mortality; death rates were higher for those who weighed the least. Inclusion of covariates had trivial effects on these results

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10705849/
RESULTS:
Adjusted relative risks of mortality for 4 NHLBI categories compared with the category "normal" indicated that only being underweight or moderately/extremely obese were associated with higher mortality.
 
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tynopik

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but now? I can no shit gain a belt loop from a week of garbage eating, no matter the quantity (like one piece of pizza from papa john's for dinner, a five guys small cheeseburger w/out fries, shit like that). Carb-rich, bready, sugar'd, etc food can increase your weight very very quickly, calories be damned.

utter horse shit
 

tynopik

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Says the person that isn't me, doesn't monitor my diet, and clearly hasn't experienced the same thing.

no need, what you describe is physically impossible

similarly if you claimed drinking red bull made you levitate off the ground, there's no need to be you, monitor you or drink red bull

because it's impossible

which is more likely? that you didn't accurately recall all the food you ate in a week or that you broke the laws of physics? hmm....
 

purbeast0

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utter horse shit
Just because you go up a belt loop doesn't mean you got fatter in a week. Most of it would be due to being bloated and full of water due to the carbs.

EDIT:

I've been on Keto for about 11 days now (under 40g of carbs a day) and while I haven't gone down a full belt loop (nor do I want to because that would mean I'm losing too much weight), but I can very EASILY tell I'm less bloated now and I could very easily go down a full belt loop if I wanted to. It would be a bit tight and probably sit a little higher on my hips, but I could easily do it. Since I could go down in a little over a week, I could very easily go back to where I was in a little over a week.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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no need, what you describe is physically impossible

similarly if you claimed drinking red bull made you levitate off the ground, there's no need to be you, monitor you or drink red bull

because it's impossible

which is more likely? that you didn't accurately recall all the food you ate in a week or that you broke the laws of physics? hmm....

Only if you believe that all calories, when related to what the body does with them, are created equal.
 

tynopik

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Only if you believe that all calories, when related to what the body does with them, are created equal.

the current calorie scale isn't completely accurate, but it's error margin is something like 30%, not 300%

if all you eat in one week is 7 slices of pizza and 7 small cheeseburgers and all you drink is water, there is no way for a normal adult (ie not a 24 inch tall midget or an anorexic coma victim) to gain actual body mass (not water weight)

it simply isn't possible
 

purbeast0

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the current calorie scale isn't completely accurate, but it's error margin is something like 30%, not 300%

if all you eat in one week is 7 slices of pizza and 7 small cheeseburgers and all you drink is water, there is no way for a normal adult (ie not a 24 inch tall midget or an anorexic coma victim) to gain actual body mass (not water weight)

it simply isn't possible
Except he never said he gained mass.
 

tynopik

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Except he never said he gained mass.

that was clearly the implication

i don't think his complaint was about bloating

and if you keep up such a diet (7 cheeseburgers and 7 slices of pizza a week), you will eventually lose belt notches, bloating or no
 
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