Fat shaming

[nakedfrog]

In some cases there are actually metabolic diseases which cause the body to not process shit properly. In all likelyhood they just rely too much on carbohydrate-based caloric sources and desserts.

https://xkcd.com/1793/

That goes a long way. My sister-in-law's husband's family has soda with every meal (breakfast included) and a bowl of ice cream is standard with lunch/dinner as dessert, and yes they're all enormous.

I hadn't realized the amount of sugar equated to three damn Cadbury cream eggs. That's kind of astonishing. And to think I originally cut out soda because I'm a skinflint!

 

[slag]

You said you "think" you're under 3000 calories. Which means that you don't know, and that you must not be tracking it very well.

It's pretty damned simple. If you're trying to lose weight, and you're getting some exercise, but you're _gaining_ weight, then you're consuming too many calories. Don't blame it on your age or some mysterious metabolism disorder. Whatever you're consuming daily (once you've actually figured it out), consume LESS.

If you bothered to read instead of just skimming, you'd see I already posted this:

I need to keep a food diary and really see what it is that's hurting me.

I'm not blaming anything but its scientific fact that the older you get, for most people, their metabolism slows down. I can't eat like a teenager anymore and don't need to, but if I did, I'd gain a lot of weight while they continue to lose it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I hadn't realized the amount of sugar equated to three damn Cadbury cream eggs. That's kind of astonishing. And to think I originally cut out soda because I'm a skinflint!

Yeah, or a foot-long snickers bar. It kinda makes me sick to my stomach to think I used to clear between half and a full 12-pack of mt dew a day in my younger years (which very probably has led me to near-diabetic now). Basically the same as drinking a can of cake frosting a day.

 

[LevelSea]

I'm out of breath and my thighs are chafing from reading this thread.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I find the trick to maintaining weight is to eat when hungry, and not eat when not hungry. No need for all these complicated calorie counting diets or restricting entire food groups etc. I don't exactly eat the healthiest, been working on that, but it's hard when you're single as cooking entire meals just for one person is just a lot of work. But even with a moderately healthy diet I've managed to stay at 150lbs or so. I should probably go down to 140 but if I go by the BMI index I'm actually within the normal range. Not that the BMI is 100% perfect to go by but it's a general guideline.

Avoiding empty calories like pop is a big one too. I used to drink like 5+ Pepsi cans in a day. Now I'm down to one, sometimes none.

My biggest nemesis is poutine though. I tend to have that like at least once a week. That's basically a heart attack neatly packaged in a styrofoam container. But it's sooooo gooood!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I find the trick to maintaining weight is to eat when hungry, and not eat when not hungry. No need for all these complicated calorie counting diets or restricting entire food groups etc. I don't exactly eat the healthiest, been working on that, but it's hard when you're single as cooking entire meals just for one person is just a lot of work. But even with a moderately healthy diet I've managed to stay at 150lbs or so. I should probably go down to 140 but if I go by the BMI index I'm actually within the normal range. Not that the BMI is 100% perfect to go by but it's a general guideline.

Avoiding empty calories like pop is a big one too. I used to drink like 5+ Pepsi cans in a day. Now I'm down to one, sometimes none.

My biggest nemesis is poutine though. I tend to have that like at least once a week. That's basically a heart attack neatly packaged in a styrofoam container. But it's sooooo gooood!

I was about to say, sugar/calories in liquid form blow that concept out of the water due to how it affects (or rather, doesn't affect) your hunger level. You can drink a gallon of pepsi and still be hungry. It's not a terrible way to go about it but I'd still argue that eating pizza or pasta until you aren't hungry for you is still a lot less healthy than eating tuna and broccoli until you aren't hungry.

We have the terrible advantage of living in a country where we can eat like kings (calorically speaking) AND sit on ass all day, so we actually have to pay attention to what we eat and how much, not just eat everything we can get our hands on and hope we don't starve.

 

[cbrunny]

Is it more expensive (in food purchases) to be fat or healthy?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Is it more expensive (in food purchases) to be fat or healthy?

In america it's usually cheaper to eat unhealthily, if not just in raw dollars, in time. There's an inordinate proliferation of cheap, easy to access, garbage sold as food to Americans. On 99% of the surface area of the US you can have a pizza delivered to you in under a half hour for $20. It's a much more complex prospect to prepare anything even resembling healthy, and that's assuming you actually go to a store and wade past the isles and isles of more cheap garbage. To eat healthy basically means skimming the outside wall of the grocery store and disregard the 80% middle of it.

In addition to the above, most Americans don't really value cooking ability from my experience, but more see it as a chore to be avoided if possible (hence the billions of calories worth of easy take-out or delivery available)

 

[tynopik]

In america it's usually cheaper to eat unhealthily, if not just in raw dollars, in time.

'unhealthy' food is unrelated to obesity

you can easily lose weight eating the junkiest of junk foods

you just have to eat less of it

 

[Carson Dyle]

'unhealthy' food is unrelated to obesity

you can easily lose weight eating the junkiest of junk foods

you just have to eat less of it

I worked in a brewery for a few summers back in college. One of my buddies worried about gaining weight, so he brought in nothing but half a sandwich for lunch... and drank from 7AM until 3PM.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Because you obviously didn't read the post, I'll just leave this here. I said I'm under, well under for that matter, 3k.

An average man needs 2500 calories to maintain. I'm normally under that. 2 eggs and some coffee and creamer for breakfast are around 425 calories. Lunch is about 500-600, give or take, and supper around another 800-1k, sometimes less. I just don't burn calories at 42 like I used to.

And i work out daily, sometimes multiple times.

I'm a big guy (not fat) and I don't need anywhere near 2500 calories per day to be healthy. I lost almost 80 pounds, then I gained 30, then I lost it again and I've kept it off for many years at this point. The secret isn't a secret - eat less.There is absolutely no way you can go from a stable weight with a stable diet to the same weight while consuming fewer calories. I didn't need to workout at all and I still only workout occasionally. I also sit behind a desk for the entire day.

Stop drinking coffee. The eggs are the only part of that meal that's worth a shit. You'd lose a completely pointless bunch of calories from your daily intake.
Don't eat 1,000 calories for dinner. That's a shitload of food for one meal.

If you're unwilling to stop drinking coffee and eat less at dinner, don't complain about your weight. You can't have it both ways.

 

[cbrunny]

I'm a big guy (not fat) and I don't need anywhere near 2500 calories per day to be healthy. I lost almost 80 pounds, then I gained 30, then I lost it again and I've kept it off for many years at this point. The secret isn't a secret - eat less.There is absolutely no way you can go from a stable weight with a stable diet to the same weight while consuming fewer calories. I didn't need to workout at all and I still only workout occasionally. I also sit behind a desk for the entire day.

Stop drinking coffee. The eggs are the only part of that meal that's worth a shit. You'd lose a completely pointless bunch of calories from your daily intake.
Don't eat 1,000 calories for dinner. That's a shitload of food for one meal.

If you're unwilling to stop drinking coffee and eat less at dinner, don't complain about your weight. You can't have it both ways.

black coffee has essentially no calories.

 

[skyking]

what's your reason for cutting out coffee?

 

[Carson Dyle]

black coffee has essentially no calories.

Pretty sure he was referring to the cream (and sugar?) that the other guy adds to his morning coffee.

When I'm doing intermittent fasting (Fast Five) I have a large black coffee in the morning and seldom get hungry until mid-afternoon. Really knocks the edge off any hunger pangs.

 

[skyking]

yeah I have cut the sugary creamers and all that, so coffee seems to be a plus for me.

 

[cbrunny]

oh yeah cream (and even milk) can have a ton of calories. Not to mention sugar. I haven't had sugar in my coffee since 2005, and haven't ever had milk or cream in my coffee.

A double double at Tim Hortons has roughly the same calories as a Big Mac, or so the saying goes.

 

[purbeast0]

One time I was going to grab some mickey ds breakfast before work on a saturday morning. I go to make a left while this lady goes to make a right into micky ds. Well the line to the drive thru is all the way to the street so instead of pulling past an walking in she sits there in the middle of the road blocking the way in. I lost it, rolled down my window and started yelling you dumb fat bitch, pull your lazy ass in to the parking lot and walk your fat fuckin ass into the restaurant, jesus fucking christ. I was yelling it so loud every one in mcdonalds was staring at me when I finally walked in. I wouldn't even call that fat shaming just the truth.

I used to think that anybody who went to the drive through was just a lazy fuck. I used to never do it because 9/10 times it's a lot faster to just go in the place and get it yourself, plus they can't really fuck stuff up and you can check before leaving easier than drive through.

But after having a kid, I now see why some people prefer it and it is definitely easier to go through a drive through with a young child than getting out of your car and bringing them in with you.

 

[purbeast0]

While sometimes the stick works better than the carrot (or something less starchy), generally it just creates a divide between people (see Black Mirror: Fifteen Million Merits for an obtuse example). The commutes help but if you really want to see something wild, go a month without eating anything with a carb or a starch. No rice/beans, no tortillas, no taters/starchy veggies. Just meat, greens, and dairy. Weight flies off! Hard to maintain, especially if significant other doesn't follow suit, but it can cause a pretty remarkable weight shift. But yeah as you said, different diet/exericise regimes work for different people, and the best one is the one you stick with.

I'm doing a keto diet (or similar to it) right now to try and lean up a bit. I've been doing it since last Monday and going below 40g of net carbs a day. I thought maybe I would cheat on the weekend but I made it through, even with a few beers of low carbs. I have already dropped 6lbs in 11 days. A lot of it is water weight I'm pretty sure, but I'm going to try and see if I can keep it up until early March when I go on vacation. I may take a cheat meal here or there though just not yet. It's going to be hard with the Super Bowl on Sunday and a company party next weekend.

Also last weekend was the first weekend I went without eating out in probably 20 years lol.

 

[Newbian]

I find the trick to maintaining weight is to eat when hungry, and not eat when not hungry. No need for all these complicated calorie counting diets or restricting entire food groups etc. I don't exactly eat the healthiest, been working on that, but it's hard when you're single as cooking entire meals just for one person is just a lot of work. But even with a moderately healthy diet I've managed to stay at 150lbs or so. I should probably go down to 140 but if I go by the BMI index I'm actually within the normal range. Not that the BMI is 100% perfect to go by but it's a general guideline.

Avoiding empty calories like pop is a big one too. I used to drink like 5+ Pepsi cans in a day. Now I'm down to one, sometimes none.

My biggest nemesis is poutine though. I tend to have that like at least once a week. That's basically a heart attack neatly packaged in a styrofoam container. But it's sooooo gooood!

How much of a manlet are you again as being 140 pounds for a man is healthy for someone about 5'5'' last I checked?

 

[purbeast0]

In america it's usually cheaper to eat unhealthily, if not just in raw dollars, in time. There's an inordinate proliferation of cheap, easy to access, garbage sold as food to Americans. On 99% of the surface area of the US you can have a pizza delivered to you in under a half hour for $20. It's a much more complex prospect to prepare anything even resembling healthy, and that's assuming you actually go to a store and wade past the isles and isles of more cheap garbage. To eat healthy basically means skimming the outside wall of the grocery store and disregard the 80% middle of it.

In addition to the above, most Americans don't really value cooking ability from my experience, but more see it as a chore to be avoided if possible (hence the billions of calories worth of easy take-out or delivery available)

I'd say they are about the same cost wise, or eating healthy is cheaper. But as you said, it's in the time, and people are lazy as shit.

You can buy chicken or pork pretty damn cheap at the store. This past week I bought a 6 pack of pork chops that are 1/2 a pound each, for about $8. I then bought a bunch of bags of frozen broccoli for $2 a piece. I use a bag each night for myself and my wife. To prepare the meal takes about 10-15 minutes. The longest part is waiting for the water with the broccoli in it to come to a boil, which is about 5-7 minutes. Then I let it simmer for 5 minutes, and while that is happening, I cook the pork chops for 2 minutes on each side.

A full healthy meal consisting of proteins and greens cost me about $2.50 a person and 10-15 minutes of my time.

If I'm feeling like it, sometimes I make cheese sauce at the same time for the broccoli, which consists of a tbsp of butter, a splash of almond milk, and like 2 pinches of cheddar cheese. That probably adds like another dollar to the cost.

 

[louis redfoot]

I'd say they are about the same cost wise, or eating healthy is cheaper. But as you said, it's in the time, and people are lazy as shit.

You can buy chicken or pork pretty damn cheap at the store. This past week I bought a 6 pack of pork chops that are 1/2 a pound each, for about $8. I then bought a bunch of bags of frozen broccoli for $2 a piece. I use a bag each night for myself and my wife. To prepare the meal takes about 10-15 minutes. The longest part is waiting for the water with the broccoli in it to come to a boil, which is about 5-7 minutes. Then I let it simmer for 5 minutes, and while that is happening, I cook the pork chops for 2 minutes on each side.

A full healthy meal consisting of proteins and greens cost me about $2.50 a person and 10-15 minutes of my time.

If I'm feeling like it, sometimes I make cheese sauce at the same time for the broccoli, which consists of a tbsp of butter, a splash of almond milk, and like 2 pinches of cheddar cheese. That probably adds like another dollar to the cost.

consider steaming instead of boiling, a lot of nutrients end up in the water. i've been ordering delivery a lot lately as a luxury. if i'm cooking it's usually just breakfast food, sandwiches, and canned soup.

 

[purbeast0]

consider steaming instead of boiling, a lot of nutrients end up in the water. i've been ordering delivery a lot lately as a luxury. if i'm cooking it's usually just breakfast food, sandwiches, and canned soup.

That's what I've heard, just haven't gotten around to trying that out.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

'unhealthy' food is unrelated to obesity

you can easily lose weight eating the junkiest of junk foods

you just have to eat less of it

I'd wager you're under 35 yrs old? Trust me, I never ate particularly healthily but now? I can no shit gain a belt loop from a week of garbage eating, no matter the quantity (like one piece of pizza from papa john's for dinner, a five guys small cheeseburger w/out fries, shit like that). Carb-rich, bready, sugar'd, etc food can increase your weight very very quickly, calories be damned.

I can eat like a horse if it's chicken, fish, or starchless veggies, as I've said before, and still lose weight.

But after having a kid, I now see why some people prefer it and it is definitely easier to go through a drive through with a young child than getting out of your car and bringing them in with you.

This. Sister-in-law has three kids and it takes her like two goddamn hours to get out the house because she has to chase those fuckers around asking them where their shoes are.

I'm doing a keto diet (or similar to it) right now to try and lean up a bit. I've been doing it since last Monday and going below 40g of net carbs a day. I thought maybe I would cheat on the weekend but I made it through, even with a few beers of low carbs. I have already dropped 6lbs in 11 days. A lot of it is water weight I'm pretty sure, but I'm going to try and see if I can keep it up until early March when I go on vacation. I may take a cheat meal here or there though just not yet. It's going to be hard with the Super Bowl on Sunday and a company party next weekend.

Also last weekend was the first weekend I went without eating out in probably 20 years lol.

Good on you. Make sure to keep eating though, fasting can cause your body to start throwing stuff in fat reserves. During my 'diet' I ate an absolute crapton (probably 2500-3000 calories), like an entire chicken for lunch kind of eating. Fat melted away. You might be surprised how little of that is water weight though unless you've also been sweating a lot. If you're urinating clear still you're good, keep drinking water though, it only helps (and keeps you from reaching for sodas and bottles of frosting and shit).

consider steaming instead of boiling, a lot of nutrients end up in the water. i've been ordering delivery a lot lately as a luxury. if i'm cooking it's usually just breakfast food, sandwiches, and canned soup.

Or throw them on a pan with some olive oil and bake 'em for 20 minutes. Like every vegetable is better that way

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'd say they are about the same cost wise, or eating healthy is cheaper. But as you said, it's in the time, and people are lazy as shit.

You can buy chicken or pork pretty damn cheap at the store. This past week I bought a 6 pack of pork chops that are 1/2 a pound each, for about $8. I then bought a bunch of bags of frozen broccoli for $2 a piece. I use a bag each night for myself and my wife. To prepare the meal takes about 10-15 minutes. The longest part is waiting for the water with the broccoli in it to come to a boil, which is about 5-7 minutes. Then I let it simmer for 5 minutes, and while that is happening, I cook the pork chops for 2 minutes on each side.

A full healthy meal consisting of proteins and greens cost me about $2.50 a person and 10-15 minutes of my time.

If I'm feeling like it, sometimes I make cheese sauce at the same time for the broccoli, which consists of a tbsp of butter, a splash of almond milk, and like 2 pinches of cheddar cheese. That probably adds like another dollar to the cost.

It is mostly laziness, a meal can be thrown together cheaply and easily, it's just not as easy as ordering a pizza before leaving work and having it ready to eat by the time i get my shoes off. Doesn't help that like most people, you have to carve out like an hour to go from work -> grocery store -> buy stuff -> wait in line -> drive home, then add prep/cook time. If I didn't get groceries ahead of time, cooking something means an hour and a half minimum of my afternoon/evening before I get to eat.

I will say that the rotisserie chickens you can get basically anywhere now are a godsend, and they kind of take the place of street-food from other nations in the US. Large (ish), fully cooked chicken for like 5 bucks? Sure! Grab some frozen veggies and you've got a meal for four right there.

 

[brianmanahan]

If I ate 2500 cals a day I'd gain ~15 pounds in no time.

yep, i can't go over 1800 a day or i start gaining weight

been like that since i was 10 years old when my metabolism slowed wayyyy down.