Fatah Gunmen Seize Palestinian Parliament - UPDATED 1-28-06

[AmdEmAll]

So its basically two terrorist groups fighting each other in palestine now? Sounds good to me, let them take each other out.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Eddieo
So what exactly is Hamas fighting for then? I know they want more land but why? They seem to make new excuses everytime Israel retaliates for something they do.

Because Israel is occupying their land.

So you're just not interested in the truth, are you?

It is the truth.

Sorry to disappoint you.

It is absolutely NOT the truth, but you're apparently determined to ignore cold hard historical facts so that you can more easily swallow all the archaic religious Jew-hatin' bvllshyt. You really need to stop getting your "truth" (ie, lies and misconceptions) from internet forums and GO CRACK A BOOK, since you obviously didn't read my answer to your ridiculous question.

Or you can just keep your mouth open and your mind closed and let 'em shovel in more crap, like a good little tool. Jesus was a Palestinian, Islam is a religion of peace, etc., etc.

 

[MCsommerreid]

Nativity and religion arguments for land just cause problems like is being seen now. You first must come up with an acceptable definition for "native" which could very well mean anything or nothing. For example with North America there were 0 truely "native" peoples, with Amerindians coming over the Bering Straits (Connected Alaska and Russia, but I might have the name wrong) from Asia, and those people from Asia came from the Middle East, and those people came from Africa. So thus through logic the only true natives existed in the Rift Vally of Africa by current anthropological science.

Perhaps the definition, because true nativity is just rediculous, is in the eyes of the beholder. Must your peoples live there 100 years, 1000 years, or just one generation, as being born and raised in an area technically makes you a "native" by some definitions.

Religion is bad because Jarusalem is holy to 3 religions, and contains sacred temples and artifacts for all 3. Thus all 3 have equal claim because unless you start arguing holyness and religion through a factual and quantative measure, like Islam has 2 temples and Judaism has 10 thus the area is more holy to Jews, you are destined for faliure.

Maybe by being introduced directly into the real world and real world diplomacy Hamas can realise the error of its ways and start trying through diplomacy to show Israel the error of Israels ways. Little compromise and some luck and there very well could be diplomatic talks that last more than three months (not sure the exact length of the longest peace, but the idea still stands).

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Aimster
If you believe in religion.. Israel-Arab conflict will be the end of the world..

There will be a time when the Arabs will get powerful and will be able to destroy the small state of Israel. When this time comes.. Israel will use their nuclear weapons... and well..

Israel only has a few million people. 20% of them are not even Jewish.

Israel has 6million+ people.

I'm an athiest. A non-believer as your religion likes to call it, that according to your holy book should be immediatly killed. Anway, back to the subject. Israel nukeing the middle east would hardly be the end of the world. It would be the end of the middle east, but once the energy situation sorts itself out the rest of the world would move on along much better off.

The book of revelations calls the battle you are predicting to be armageddon. In Armageddon the rest of the surrounding nations gang up and attempt to destroy israel. According to the story a few nations will stand with Israel in defense, many people will die, IIRC more than 60% of both sides. In the end the aggressors against Israel will be defeated but not till the nation of Israel is physically destroyed. At the end of the battle Christ returns, dips his robe in the blood of the dead and the proceeds westward destroying all the wicked on the planet.

In a conflict, America will stand with Israel, I have no doubt there will be other Christian nations that believe the battle is Armageddon and will stand with them as well. The religious right in this country have extremely strong support for Israel for this very reason. If they are on the wrong side in the battle of Armageddon many believe they won't be saved.

Wtf are you babling about? The thrust of your "agument" is that events will unfold in the ME in a particular manner because the bible told you so; how is that in any way shape or form logical?

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Aimster
If you believe in religion.. Israel-Arab conflict will be the end of the world..

There will be a time when the Arabs will get powerful and will be able to destroy the small state of Israel. When this time comes.. Israel will use their nuclear weapons... and well..

Israel only has a few million people. 20% of them are not even Jewish.

Israel has 6million+ people.

I'm an athiest. A non-believer as your religion likes to call it, that according to your holy book should be immediatly killed. Anway, back to the subject. Israel nukeing the middle east would hardly be the end of the world. It would be the end of the middle east, but once the energy situation sorts itself out the rest of the world would move on along much better off.

The book of revelations calls the battle you are predicting to be armageddon. In Armageddon the rest of the surrounding nations gang up and attempt to destroy israel. According to the story a few nations will stand with Israel in defense, many people will die, IIRC more than 60% of both sides. In the end the aggressors against Israel will be defeated but not till the nation of Israel is physically destroyed. At the end of the battle Christ returns, dips his robe in the blood of the dead and the proceeds westward destroying all the wicked on the planet.

In a conflict, America will stand with Israel, I have no doubt there will be other Christian nations that believe the battle is Armageddon and will stand with them as well. The religious right in this country have extremely strong support for Israel for this very reason. If they are on the wrong side in the battle of Armageddon many believe they won't be saved.

Wtf are you babling about? The thrust of your "agument" is that events will unfold in the ME in a particular manner because the bible told you so; how is that in any way shape or form logical?

EDIT: one more thing, I keep hearing that some miniscule number of people will be "saved" (~126,00) by jesus and yet Israel alone has "6 million + people". On the most absurdly demented chance the last chapter in the new testament was correct in it's mystical predictions, it appears that all you religious folks (zionists, muslims, christian jews, you name it) are ALL WRONG. Every act you perform or thought you express (no, THINK) in the name of religion is sending you straight to "hell" according to your own constructs. Ha! Even if I have to "burn in hell for all eternity" for misusing my "god given" noodle I'll take a great deal of solace in that

 

[bamacre]

Situation worsens....

Update 1-28-06

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RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Firing into the air, Fatah gunmen stormed the Palestinian parliament on Saturday in anger at their long-dominant party's crushing election defeat by Hamas Islamists.

Hamas leaders meanwhile rejected as "blackmail" Western demands that it renounce violence against Israel or risk losing aid cash vital to the survival of the Palestinian Authority. Hopes of peacemaking with Israel remained in limbo.

Unrest since the parliamentary election landslide has fueled fears of inter-Palestinian strife as Hamas tries to form a government and possibly take over security forces packed with Fatah loyalists long at odds with the Islamic militants.

Thousands of armed loyalists from President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah held protests across the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, many firing automatic rifles into the air.

They took over parliament in the West Bank city of Ramallah for about 20 minutes, shouting demands from the roof before descending peacefully. Fatah militants joined by police also seized the parliament building in the Gaza Strip.

Gunmen demanded that Fatah leaders resign over the election defeat, but also said the protest was to dissuade any thought of sharing power with Hamas or allowing the group to take over security forces.

"We will cut off the head of anyone who dares to sit in government with Hamas," shouted one Fatah gunman.

Firing as they went, Fatah militants moved into Abbas's Muqata compound and gathered at the graveside of Yasser Arafat, Fatah's founder and an icon for Palestinians. The gunmen demanded that Fatah leaders resign, though not Abbas himself.

In Gaza, where eight people were hurt on Friday in clashes between Fatah and Hamas activists, the gunmen were joined in their protest by police who oppose any Hamas control over security forces.

Fatah leaders have so far rejected joining any coalition with Hamas, though it could take weeks to form one.

Hamas leaders have said they could set up a government by themselves if need be, after winning votes from Palestinians tired with corruption and Fatah's failure to deliver a state, as well as supportive of a Hamas suicide bombing campaign.

AID AT STAKE

The United States has said it will review aid to the Palestinian Authority if Hamas enters government and Israel suggested it could suspend customs revenue transfers. The European Union, the biggest donor, is looking at its options.

"This aid cannot be a sword over the heads of the Palestinian people ... to blackmail our people, to blackmail Hamas and the resistance. It is rejected," top Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh told Reuters in an interview.

Haniyeh suggested that Hamas could turn toward sources in the Arab world if the West cut off funding.

In Damascus, Hamas politburo chief Khaled Meshaal said that not only would Hamas not disarm but it would form a new Palestinian security force which would be an "army like every country ... an army to defend our people against aggression."

But Nabil Shaath, a senior Palestinian official, said Abbas would still control the Palestinian security forces if Hamas formed the next government.

There is much bad blood between the secular and Islamist rivals. Many Hamas gunmen resent past crackdowns against them by Palestinian security forces amid peace overtures by Abbas to Israel, which demands that he neutralize armed groups.

Middle East peace talks have been frozen since 2000 and Israel rules out talks with any administration involving Hamas.

Israeli government sources said Hamas leaders would remain banned from traveling between the West Bank and Gaza Strip and the army would arrest Meshaal if he tried to enter the Palestinian territories.

Israel will hold a general election on March 28 and interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, whose centrist Kadima party is the front-runner, has hinted at unilateral moves to set a border with Palestinian areas on Israeli terms.

 

[Doboji]

I hope Hamas retains power... it is far better to deal with a government that is representative of the people, even if their policies are that of war. At least then you can win the war, and the other country can surrender. Under Fatah, the leaders could surrender til they were blue in the face, but it meant nothing. The same is true of peace. If Hamas makes peace with Israel, that would theoretically mean that for once, the agreement would mean something.

Israel is quite prepared and willing to fight a large scale war with Hamas.

All pity I might have felt for the Palestinians is gone.

-Max

 

[BarneyFife]

This further proves my theory that Arabs are weak because they can't get along with each other. Israel would be trembling in their boots if they were all united.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster
Well doesn't hamas give the palestinians jobs/schools?

How is this surprising?

yea sure, schools that teach hate to make more hamas members convenient. not for peace when you make your own version of the hitler youth

We should just put them all into camps.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
This further proves my theory that Arabs are weak because they can't get along with each other. Israel would be trembling in their boots if they were all united.

True and they bring too much politics into everything. Sure, every war is political, but they do things to showcase their results and have parades. Now you have the potential of a terrorist group to have political power in the Palestinian areas. What country will sit down next to a terrorist and negotiate peace?

A 1938 Great Britan ruled by Chamberlain?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Wtf are you babling about? The thrust of your "agument" is that events will unfold in the ME in a particular manner because the bible told you so; how is that in any way shape or form logical?

Maybe you missed the first part of my post where I said I don't believe a WORD of the bible, or any other holy book for that matter. But with the STRONG belief in america of the events that unfold in Revelations it WILL become a self-fufilling prophecy. Just as the religious right has extreme influence over american politics the protection of Israel is a principle component of their beliefs as the rebuilding of Israel is an event predicted in that bible and only those nations that stand with them are on the right side.

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
EDIT: one more thing, I keep hearing that some miniscule number of people will be "saved" (~126,00) by jesus and yet Israel alone has "6 million + people".

The Jews don't believe in the new testemant and many portions of the old testement, their Holy book consists of the first 5 books of the Bible. Second, the theology you have posted is the basis of the Jehovah Witnesses and is not common to any other religion I know of.

Third, don't quote your previous post and write [edit], actually edit your previous post, you wasted a ton of space and bandwidth doing what you did.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: rahvin
Personally I think we should pull all aid. They vote in terrorists we vote out their aid. This country is under no obligation and they have no entitlement to our money.

Probably what will end up happening.