Favorite Star Wars film

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Sulaco

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Star Wars is actually okay. Okay, not good. However the whole series is pervaded by such utter and unfettered nerdiness, that it would be something of a guilty pleasure at best. The fandom of this tale is appalling, and I laugh and poke at them at every opportunity, which here, seems almost daily.

You have nearly 7,000 posts on an internet tech forum.

Really, just stop. The stones you're throwing are cracking your glass walls.
 

SphinxnihpS

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It is amazing what a difference editing can make to the movies.

All the difference. An unedited film is unwatchable. An editor can take the same 12 hours of footage and make a horror, drama, love story, comedy, or any other genre out of it regardless of any other factor including the dialogue.

There's some old Studio instructional productions out there that show the power of editing. Until you see various editor's takes on the same scene, it's hard to image how much impact editing has on a film. They are only second to the writer imo.
 

preslove

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All the difference. An unedited film is unwatchable. An editor can take the same 12 hours of footage and make a horror, drama, love story, comedy, or any other genre out of it regardless of any other factor including the dialogue.

There's some old Studio instructional productions out there that show the power of editing. Until you see various editor's takes on the same scene, it's hard to image how much impact editing has on a film. They are only second to the writer imo.

Uh... writers in movies are notoriously powerless over the quality of a movie, Mr Poseur.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Uh... writers in movies are notoriously powerless over the quality of a movie, Mr Poseur.

A square is always a rectangle.
All good films have good writing.
A rectangle is not always a square.
Not all well-written films are good.

Yep, many things can go wrong after the ink dries, but if the ink was no good, nothing that comes afterword can save the film.
 

preslove

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Yep, many things can go wrong after the ink dries, but if the ink was no good, nothing that comes afterword can save the film.

If the script sucks, it can be rewritten.

Only an asshole who doesn't know fuck about film would say that the writing is the most important part of making a movie.
 

KeithTalent

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A square is always a rectangle.
All good films have good writing.
A rectangle is not always a square.
Not all well-written films are good.

Yep, many things can go wrong after the ink dries, but if the ink was no good, nothing that comes afterword can save the film.

Yep. :thumbsup:

KT
 

preslove

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If a good script can be turned into a terrible movie, then the writing is not the most important part of the movie making process.

You seriously are just a troll who thinks you know far more about film than you do.
 

IndyColtsFan

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C'mon. You know as well as I do that he could have put out *any* version of SW, edits, originals, etc, and it would have sold just the same. It wasn't as if people were going to refuse to buy SW on DVD unless he make revisions to them. That is perhaps the most dense comment from this entire thread if you truly believe it.

No sane individual can possibly think his "edits" to ROTJ made the film better. The reason he made the special editions, IMO, was two-fold:

1. Test the technology available to see if it was ready for the prequels.
2. To release them in the theaters and later on video to rake in the cash.

Were there minor things needing correction in the movies? Yes. Was what he did to ROTJ necessary? Absolutely not, and the changes were so monumentally bad that they have tarnished the movie forever. Seriously, my six-year old niece wouldn't have done something that stupid. If you want to sit here and claim he made horrific changes like that for "artistic" reasons and not financial ones, be my guest; I think that makes him look even worse.
 
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No sane individual can possibly think his "edits" to ROTJ made the film better. The reason he made the special editions, IMO, was two-fold:

1. Test the technology available to see if it was ready for the prequels.
2. To release them in the theaters and later on video to rake in the cash.

Were there minor things needing correction in the movies? Yes. Was what he did to ROTJ necessary? Absolutely not, and the changes were so monumentally bad that they have tarnished the movie forever. Seriously, my six-year old niece wouldn't have done something that stupid. If you want to sit here and claim he made horrific changes like that for "artistic" reasons and not financial ones, be my guest; I think that makes him look even worse.

Honestly, the edits that King George made to ROTJ over the past 15 years are the main reason I ranked it below A New Hope when I posted my ranked order (the only correct one, by the way). First he adds in a bunch of random CGI shit where it isn't needed and doesn't advance anything... OK, whatever. Then he extends the ewok dance number at the end. Weird, but OK I guess. Then he superimposes Hayden Christenson over Sebastian Shaw (the "old" Anakin Skywalker) in the final shot. Wait, what the fuck? Why? It's not like they replaced Alec Guinness with Ewan MacGregor, so it's not like Jedis resort to their young selves in their ghost image. What possible reason was there for that shit? And then there's the "NOOOOOOOOOOOO," because apparently Darth Vader lifting the emperor up and heaving him off a balcony (spoiler alert) wasn't enough to show that he was against the torture the emperor was putting Luke through. I mean, seriously, did no one stand up to Lucas and say, "umm, hey, we've checked out this edit, and, ummm... it's garbage. It's absolutely the worst thing you've ever put on film. Like, take Attack of the Clones and cross it with a video of Chris Brown beating Rhianna while raping a puppy whose owner died in the holocaust... that video has better audience reaction than this shit. Seriously, did you huff like 2 billion dollars worth of all the drugs before you did this?"

So, yeah, George probably shouldn't stick around much past the "hey, a sword made of LASERS would be AWESOME" stage of the creative process.
 
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