Favorite Star Wars film

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SphinxnihpS

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So episode 4 is the best? I agree.

Star Wars is actually okay. Okay, not good. However the whole series is pervaded by such utter and unfettered nerdiness, that it would be something of a guilty pleasure at best. The fandom of this tale is appalling, and I laugh and poke at them at every opportunity, which here, seems almost daily.
 

mcurphy

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I was born in '77, so Jedi was the first I saw in theaters. I loved it and still do. Empire is a close second for me.
 

sao123

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My Favorite Star Wars Movie must be
KHAN!

er um... Thrawn is what I meant to say.
 

Poulsonator

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The whole "Lucas is greedy" thing is most baffling to me. The dude could have really tried to milk the SW universe like crazy but never did.

If anything he was incredibly stingy about SW.

You are the first person in the history of the internet who has ever said these things. "Lucas" is Bocce for "Milk it for all it's worth, and then get greedy with it".

Anyway, the best is Empire, without question. My favorite is probably still Star Wars for numerous reasons (I was almost 3 when SW came out in '77, and my first memory as a child is seeing it in the theater). Jedi would have been so much better without Ewoks, and it does slog a bit between Jabba's Palace and the final battle.

As for the prequels, Phantom Menace is the "best", and the one that feels most "Star Wars-y" to me. Clones is an abortion, and Sith just bored me to tears. Clones and Sith felt like he was so ready to be done with his venture that he couldn't wait to be done with it. All of that being said, all three prequels are turds.
 

IndyColtsFan

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The whole "Lucas is greedy" thing is most baffling to me. The dude could have really tried to milk the SW universe like crazy but never did. He always stuck to his own direction (for better or worse). He could have thrown DVDs out early on, then remastered special editions later on. He sat and waited and did the DVDs right (to him), just once.

Errrr, what? Lucas milked it to DEATH and he didn't release DVDs just once. He's the ass that said this in 1988 with regards to movies:

George Lucas said:
“People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians,” he said, his voice no doubt taking on an emotional, Jimmy Stewart-like quaver. “And if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society.”

There's more:

“These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with ‘fresher faces,’ or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new ‘original’ negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires….

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be ‘replaced’ by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten…. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.”

He then proceeded to trash the movies and released the abominations known as the special editions. He was also the one who said the original cuts of the movies would never be released, but guess what happened? He released ANOTHER DVD set with the original cuts.

And he was starting on yet another release (both theatrical and blu ray) with the 3D versions when he finally wisened up and sold the franchise.

That isn't even considering how LucasArts ruined their video games with stupid, money-grubbing decisions (see: Star Wars Galaxies).
 
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HendrixFan

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Errrr, what? Lucas milked it to DEATH and he didn't release DVDs just once.

Tons of studios milk DVDs. Originals. Directors. Ultimate. Boxset with bonus materials. Etc. Lucas didn't do that. He didn't rush out DVDs as soon as possible but went in and remastered them (pink sabers - sigh!), culled bonus materials and put it all out at once. After popular demand he released the originals years later on DVD even though the laserdiscs were on par in quality.


Did you bother reading his quote?

Lucas doesn't edit other's work, he has (err had) complete ownership of his own work and could do as he pleased with it. Any of the changes Lucas made were for whatever personal reasons he had, but they certainly can't reasonably be seen as acts that "destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power". If he had a profit motive behind it he would have been exploiting multiple release versions across each format. Instead he offered to update/restore/correct/whatever at each release point. VHS, then DVD then Bluray.

Yet at the end of the day you can still watch the OT theatrical versions on DVD if you want to. Nobody is stopping you, certainly not Lucas.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Tons of studios milk DVDs. Originals. Directors. Ultimate. Boxset with bonus materials. Etc. Lucas didn't do that. He didn't rush out DVDs as soon as possible but went in and remastered them (pink sabers - sigh!), culled bonus materials and put it all out at once. After popular demand he released the originals years later on DVD even though the laserdiscs were on par in quality.

The originals he released on DVD were ripped from laser disc, not film. And of course, for years, he said he'd never release them again but then I'm sure he saw the almighty dollar and changed his mind. I bet we see them on blu ray at some point too.

Did you bother reading his quote?

I did, and what he did with the movies was against the spirit of his comments and you know it.

Lucas doesn't edit other's work, he has (err had) complete ownership of his own work and could do as he pleased with it.

He CAN do whatever he wants with it. The issue is that when people criticized him for it, he threw a hissy fit. The man can't take criticism at all.

Any of the changes Lucas made were for whatever personal reasons he had,

That reason was for money.

but they certainly can't reasonably be seen as acts that "destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power".

Jabba's Palace called -- they strongly disagree!

Yet at the end of the day you can still watch the OT theatrical versions on DVD if you want to. Nobody is stopping you, certainly not Lucas.

Technically speaking, you can't -- the "theatrical releases" he included on DVD were ripped from the Laser Discs, not film.
 

zinfamous

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I used to think Phantom Menace was the worst. But once I rewatched Episode II a few times, I realized just how bad it was and that "elevated" Phantom Menace.

:thumbsup:

and THIS is why:

V

2 is at the bottom because of the horrible love lines. So freaking painful.

Me Tarzan, you not sand.

I lol'd so much at this comment, because that sums up this entire lame attempt at a love story: "I HATE SAND! WHAAAAAAA"

though it should be said, I also saw the IMAX version of this, and those scenes were entirely axed. Amazing how much better this film is without that detritus. and in all honesty, it makes it more believable--if only because Lucas' uninformed attempt to describe love brought too much attention to the idea.
 

They Live

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not really. movies = broad appeal, not very educational or artistic or introspective in any meaningful way. film = typically artistic, philosophical in some way, very tasteful in it's direction, and/or caters to a more selective audience.

Fair enough, though there are some people who view Star Wars as artistic and philosophical, lol.
 

StrangerGuy

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really Empire is winning? I am totally blown away...jedi ftw, I mean come on, ewoks, jabba, princess in sexy bikini, speeders, B-wing fighters, traps...how can that be not good?

The Han rescue in the first part was needless filler. Actually to think of it the only brilliant spot in that film was the showdown with the Emperor.
 

HendrixFan

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That reason was for money.

C'mon. You know as well as I do that he could have put out *any* version of SW, edits, originals, etc, and it would have sold just the same. It wasn't as if people were going to refuse to buy SW on DVD unless he make revisions to them. That is perhaps the most dense comment from this entire thread if you truly believe it.

Technically speaking, you can't -- the "theatrical releases" he included on DVD were ripped from the Laser Discs, not film.

The Laserdiscs of the originals. Let's not play semantics here. If you want to pop in a DVD of the originals you can. Laserdiscs were MPEG encoded just like DVDs. It isn't Lucas' business to clean up and restore the originals to IndyColtsFan's satisfaction. That would be going quite beyond his point he made in comments 25 years ago.
 

HendrixFan

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though it should be said, I also saw the IMAX version of this, and those scenes were entirely axed. Amazing how much better this film is without that detritus. and in all honesty, it makes it more believable--if only because Lucas' uninformed attempt to describe love brought too much attention to the idea.

I thought the same thing when I saw Ep II on IMAX.

He really needed his (now) ex-wife to go in and edit the films, as she did with the OT. Check out the "MagnoliaFan" edit of Episode I and II. It is amazing what a difference editing can make to the movies. There is quite a bit of great movie underneath what was presented.
 

StrangerGuy

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C'mon. You know as well as I do that he could have put out *any* version of SW, edits, originals, etc, and it would have sold just the same. It wasn't as if people were going to refuse to buy SW on DVD unless he make revisions to them. That is perhaps the most dense comment from this entire thread if you truly believe it.



The Laserdiscs of the originals. Let's not play semantics here. If you want to pop in a DVD of the originals you can. Laserdiscs were MPEG encoded just like DVDs. It isn't Lucas' business to clean up and restore the originals to IndyColtsFan's satisfaction. That would be going quite beyond his point he made in comments 25 years ago.

I still dunno WTH was Lucas thinking for the past 2 decades. He could have did nothing and let others write and film the prequels, releasing the original trilogy in DVD/Bluray untouched and live on forever drowning in money while living in history books as an eternal legend. Instead he just have to personally meddle with SW half-assed to leave a bad taste in the mouth in everyone.
 

SphinxnihpS

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I still dunno WTH was Lucas thinking for the past 2 decades. He could have did nothing and let others write and film the prequels, releasing the original trilogy in DVD/Bluray untouched and live on forever drowning in money while living in history books as an eternal legend. Instead he just have to personally meddle with SW half-assed to leave a bad taste in the mouth in everyone.

Robert Frost changed some of his poetry after publication. Sometimes more than once. I don't have any problem with that, but I would have more of a problem with that than some B movie director coming back and changing his rotten films. He honestly couldn't really do much worse than he did originally.
 
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