Favourite Linux

aheartattack

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What do you think is the best Linux distro for desktops? Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, or my fav SUSE? Please mention why.
 

unmerited

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I also prefer Suse. Ease of use, setup, configuration, plenty of programs to choose from and of course there's always YAST. I experiment with other distros on vmware server but Suse is my main OS for daily use. Lets me do everything I need to do.


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postmortemIA

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I like SUSE and RedHat Enterprise Linux. The second is one of most stable and reliable distros out there.
 

drag

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Debian, duh.
Most flexible, very maintainable. Don't have to reinstall to upgrade, or even reboot more then once. Stable (as in unchanging AND supported) if you want that, or more bleeding edge, or more imbetween.
Also the documentation is better then most.

Not very newbie friendly though. For that Ubuntu is nice.
 

Nothinman

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Ubuntu's not a bad place to start, but Debian's much easier to maintain over time. Since Ubuntu has no constantly moving unstable tree you end up dist-upgrading every ~6mo and before release each distro can be quite unstable since they have such little time between releases. I've had my home Debian install for like 6 or 7 years now, I'd like someone to find another distro that's able to live that long and stay up to date.
 

xtknight

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Ubuntu. Easy and huge repositories. Aptitude is great too. I like Ubuntu's philosophy. I can't really see what Debian has to offer (for me) over Ubuntu. It did seem to be faster though. For me, reinstalling is the most time-effective way of cleaning the junk out. The separate home partition makes reinstalling a piece of cake anyway. I still try to create a new user and just copy over my documents, though it saves having to move your home from your root when you want to nuke your root. I need easy wireless too. Can Debian offer the ease of Ubuntu when it comes to wireless?

SUSE was also pretty good but I find Ubuntu has a better user interface. SUSE seems pretty complex, and the repositories are a pain compared to Debian/Ubuntu. It takes like five minutes to get in to the package selection. SUSE 10.1 had a broken Install Software feature so all of that just turned me off from the distro. It seems more oriented toward business users than home users.

MEPIS looked good but I can't convince myself to use KDE.

Fedora Core 6...that has some serious potential.
 

Nothinman

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I can't really see what Debian has to offer (for me) over Ubuntu.

And I see it the opposite way, I've been running Debian long enough that I can't see what Ubuntu has to offer me and reinstalling every 6 months is a huge waste of my time.

I need easy wireless too. Can Debian offer the ease of Ubuntu when it comes to wireless?

I don't know what you mean. Just about all of the packages in Ubuntu are also in Debian, so probably.
 

drag

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With Wireless in Debian you have to install the packages that Ubuntu uses.

Ubuntu = Debian Unstable snapshot + Ubuntu modified gnome and updated packages for supported stuff.

It's mutually benificial. Most interesting packages from Ubuntu either get folded back into Gnome and then into Debian that way, or they end up going into Debian as just repackaged Debian packages. For Ubuntu they can build their system based on Debian and concintrate on providing a relatively more specific audiance the best experiance possible.

For mobile networking you have Network-Manager + nm-applet for automatic network configuration and applet display. It's the same when it comes to drivers.

Also I use Avahi for broadcast dns stuff and 'Bonjour' (OS X name for it) detection of services. It's actually quite nicer then the Bonjour stuff that Apple open source'd in terms of integration, capabilities, and features. To bad the rest of the system doesn't automaticly configure itself to use that stuff.


For a summary how I feel:
Ubuntu advantages:
- Desktop oriented default setup. Very nice out of the box. Debian takes configuration work in order to get to that same level.

- Newbie oriented documentation, newbie friendly community, good resources.

- Doesn't suffer from newbie oriented only stuff like Madriva can. It's usefull for all users from very new Linux users to very advanced.

- Newer packages then Debian for a lot of stuff. You get X.org first. Get things like Python 2.4 first. This is due to Debian having to upgrade incrementally vs Ubuntu six month release cycle. For big change overs/ABI changes it can be difficult for Debian devs.

- Much quicker updates between releases. 6 months vs a year or more.


Advantages Debian:
- Much more substantial supported software. With Ubuntu your limited to the 'official' repos when you want support. Debian support is for what would be the equivelent of all the official Ubuntu stuff PLUS all the universe repos.

- Debian Stable is more suitable for large scale deployment then Ubuntu. Official support lasts years. Everything that is in there 'just works' and can be relied on to work. If you train users to use Debian stable they will be able to just keep using it for a long long time. Same way for packages you build for custom software.

Also due to the massive number of packages and software configurations supported Debian is much easier to customize for special circumstances then Ubuntu and you can still get help and file bug reports for it.

- Major upgrades. Going from Debian Stable to Debian stable is less troublesome. Troublespots are much more well documented and noted. There is much less suprises.

- Updates are small. Only major bug fixes or security updates. I don't know so much for Ubuntu, but for Fedora Core it suffers from this very badly.. were after a release they do a huge updates. Halfway through the life of the system they will do things like go from a older X.org system to a new one. This is very disruptive.

- For normal personal desktop you would use Testing or Sid. This provides software that is as up to date as Ubuntu. (more or less. It depends on the current life cycle of the current Ubuntu release. Sometimes slightly newer, other times slightly older) However the upgrades are incrimental. There is no reinstall. You can quite successfully track Testing for years and years and only have to reboot for kernel upgrades and have up to date software the entire time. (the downside is that you have to watch for occasional software breakage during upgrades)


When I said 'Debian, duh' up there I was being sarcastic. This is a very bad question to ask 'Which is best for Desktop'

Distros are geared towards specific purposes and specific ways of doing things. They all generally have the same software and generally have the the same hardware drivers and that sort of thing.

What you choose is personal and based on any criteria or circumstances.

For instance in corporate land you may want to run Redhat for your servers due to the support. Or you may be forced to because of some specific software you need that only supports Redhat.

In that case for you own desktop you wil probably want to run Fedora snce it more closely matches what your using. And for normal desktop you don't need support for you may want to run CentOS due to the fact that it's more stable then FC.

Other people just realy hate Ubuntu or Debian. For them Yast and Suse is much nicer.

It takes all types.

 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: drag
- Much more substantial supported software. With Ubuntu your limited to the 'official' repos when you want support. Debian support is for what would be the equivelent of all the official Ubuntu stuff PLUS all the universe repos.

Well Ubuntu has universe and multiverse or are you speaking of something else? Does Debian have even more?
 

Nothinman

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Well Ubuntu has universe and multiverse or are you speaking of something else? Does Debian have even more?

His point is that universe and multiverse are just blindly recompiled and not supported by Ubuntu, in Debian those same packages are part of main and thus officially supported.
 

Pabster

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SuSE, specifically Enterprise Desktop, FTW.

It's easily the most polished, and I like the fact that simple things (which don't work in other distros) like WPA2 are working right out of the box.
 

cleverhandle

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Debian.

Like Nothinman, I don't care to reinstall (or dist-upgrade) my desktop OS every 6-12 months. My last Debian install took me around 3 years, and I only reinstalled because my new machine is 64-bit and I figured I might as well take care of that transition earlier rather than later.
 

Tbirdkid

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Well, im using fedora right now but i hate rpm management. I prefer debian/ubuntu, with synaptic, but i need the latest drivers, so rpm it is.... at least for now
 

sourceninja

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Originally posted by: Pabster
SuSE, specifically Enterprise Desktop, FTW.

It's easily the most polished, and I like the fact that simple things (which don't work in other distros) like WPA2 are working right out of the box.

I found enterprise desktop worthless becuase it really includes no useful apps. You have to add the repos for their free version. so why not just use the free version.
 

postmortemIA

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Free versions are less stable. People test apps for free and apps are eventually included in Enterprise Linux (both RedHat and SUSE).
 

drag

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Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
Well, im using fedora right now but i hate rpm management. I prefer debian/ubuntu, with synaptic, but i need the latest drivers, so rpm it is.... at least for now

There is 'smart' package manager. A lot of people seem to like that. It's much more intellegent then the tools included with FC or Redhat.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: sourceninja
I found enterprise desktop worthless becuase it really includes no useful apps. You have to add the repos for their free version. so why not just use the free version.

Enterprise is more polished, and I could care less about included apps. I like being able to put on just what I want instead of the usual gluttony of crap.
 

coolVariable

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Ubu ... once they fix their installation routines and make it compatible with USB drives (or include an alternative to that buggy Grub bootloader).
 

silverpig

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I like gentoo. It's just what I'm used to and know how to do everything in.

ubuntu's good too. I have an ubuntu-based mythtv box.

I don't like SuSE though. I tried to fix a friend's SuSE based laptop and set up a few things and didn't like how YaST kept re-writing the config files I had edited. It just didn't do it for me.
 

Henny

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Kubuntu is my favorite. (KDE is better then Gnome IMHO).

I also tried Simply Mepis and Xandros but I like Kubuntu better.
 
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