FBI checks wrong box, puts student on no fly list, took 7 yrs to correct

Oldgamer

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Criminy, why wouldn't the FBI just correct this if they knew this was a simple mistake. Why on earth would they fight this for 7 years? She apparently won her case and her lawsuit in the end, but jeesh look at how much her attorneys took home in pay!

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The government contested a former Stanford University student’s assertion that she was wrongly placed on a no-fly list for seven years in court despite knowing an FBI official put her on the list by mistake because he checked the “wrong boxes” on a form, a federal judge wrote today.

The agent, Michael Kelly, based in San Jose, misunderstood the directions on the form and “erroneously nominated” Rahinah Ibrahim to the list in 2004, the judge wrote.

“He checked the wrong boxes, filling out the form exactly the opposite way from the instructions on the form,” U.S. District Judge William Alsup wrote (.pdf) today.

The decision makes Ibrahim, 48, the first person to successfully challenge placement on a government watch list.

Much of the federal court trial, in which the woman sought only to clear her name, was conducted in secret after U.S. officials repeatedly invoked the state secrets privilege and sought to have the case dismissed.

Attorneys working pro bono spent as much as $300,000 litigating the case and $3.8 million in attorney’s fees.

The judge issued a brief ruling last month declaring that the Malaysian woman was a victim of a bureaucratic “mistake.” The judge’s full opinion was released today.

Ibrahim’s saga began in December 2005 when she was a visiting doctoral student in architecture and design from Malaysia. On her way to Kona, Hawaii to present a paper on affordable housing, Ibrahim was told she was on a watch list, detained, handcuffed and questioned for two hours at San Francisco International Airport.

She sued and federal authorities fought her all the way.

The December 5-day trial was shrouded in extraordinary secrecy, with closed court hearings and non-public classified exhibits.

The agent testified to his bungle in closed court.
 

Nintendesert

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Pretty damn sad when the United States has become a land of secret trials and secret evidence.
 

cyclohexane

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No one cares because she's a Muslim. If it happened to a rich blonde, the news would be all over this shit.
 

Oldgamer

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Pretty damn sad when the United States has become a land of secret trials and secret evidence.

I will never understand why all of this has to be soooo secret and it all seems more like an excuse to hide from the public things that should not be hidden in my opinion.
 

Genx87

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This has it all. A bureaucrat making a mistake, an uncompassionate govt not willing to fix it without a secret trial. The state invoking state secrets like they always do. And the sheer cost of getting off the list means once you are on, you arent getting off it. Unless somebody is willing to fork out 4 million dollars in free service on your behalf.

Murrica
 

Newell Steamer

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Well, she asked for it.

Just look at her; practicing her religion, as if it's something you can do with freedom and no persecution - what country does she think she lives in??
 

nageov3t

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what a joke.

to the extent that I can understand the point of a no-fly list, if it's going to exist there also needs to be an easy way of informing someone why they're on it and allowing them to contest it.
 

cubby1223

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No one cares because she's a Muslim. If it happened to a rich blonde, the news would be all over this shit.

No one cares not because she's a Muslim, no one cares because she cannot be used by activists to divide the citizens and push a side agenda.

You would need a significant portion of America fiercely agreeing she should be banned from travel, for an interest in helping her correct this injustice to take hold.

Unfortunately the only people agreeing she should be banned are those only doing so to cover their own asses. This is the tragic way the world tends to work.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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eskimospy will be along any minute now to tell you that national security is hard, but health care is easy.

Or that health care is easy but the economy hard.

There exists no competency in DC sufficient to address the problems in an intelligent and orderly way and few really want that.
 

PokerGuy

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what a joke.

to the extent that I can understand the point of a no-fly list, if it's going to exist there also needs to be an easy way of informing someone why they're on it and allowing them to contest it.

Exactly. I have no problem with the no fly list, but there needs to be some transparency in the process and a way to contest it. If there really is secret (sensitive) information as to why you might need to be one it, then the judge can seal that evidence and take it into consideration.

She got placed on a list through no fault of her own and ended up having to fight for 7 years (and $4 million) to try to get off it.

This is the same system people want to have in charge of your personal health care and well being. What could possibly go wrong??
 

WHAMPOM

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Criminy, why wouldn't the FBI just correct this if they knew this was a simple mistake. Why on earth would they fight this for 7 years? She apparently won her case and her lawsuit in the end, but jeesh look at how much her attorneys took home in pay!

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News link to article



The government contested a former Stanford University student’s assertion that she was wrongly placed on a no-fly list for seven years in court despite knowing an FBI official put her on the list by mistake because he checked the “wrong boxes” on a form, a federal judge wrote today.

The agent, Michael Kelly, based in San Jose, misunderstood the directions on the form and “erroneously nominated” Rahinah Ibrahim to the list in 2004, the judge wrote.

“He checked the wrong boxes, filling out the form exactly the opposite way from the instructions on the form,” U.S. District Judge William Alsup wrote (.pdf) today.

The decision makes Ibrahim, 48, the first person to successfully challenge placement on a government watch list.

Much of the federal court trial, in which the woman sought only to clear her name, was conducted in secret after U.S. officials repeatedly invoked the state secrets privilege and sought to have the case dismissed.

Attorneys working pro bono spent as much as $300,000 litigating the case and $3.8 million in attorney’s fees.

The judge issued a brief ruling last month declaring that the Malaysian woman was a victim of a bureaucratic “mistake.” The judge’s full opinion was released today.

Ibrahim’s saga began in December 2005 when she was a visiting doctoral student in architecture and design from Malaysia. On her way to Kona, Hawaii to present a paper on affordable housing, Ibrahim was told she was on a watch list, detained, handcuffed and questioned for two hours at San Francisco International Airport.

She sued and federal authorities fought her all the way.

The December 5-day trial was shrouded in extraordinary secrecy, with closed court hearings and non-public classified exhibits.

The agent testified to his bungle in closed court.

Fought so hard to cover the tip of the ice berg you mean oldgamer. Now how many other innocents are on the "no fly list" and how many not so innocent are not on it because of this check boxing error?

Do you see my point? Anyone?
 

WHAMPOM

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Hell ya. Seven years to reverse a simple mistaken box getting checked. We need much more of that.

A box? One box? There are many boxes on many reports, you think they are worried about one mistake? Months and hundreds are more likely.
 

Matt1970

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A box? One box? There are many boxes on many reports, you think they are worried about one mistake? Months and hundreds are more likely.

Hey! We are still trying to take in how hard it was to get one box corrected.
 

WHAMPOM

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Hey! We are still trying to take in how hard it was to get one box corrected.

It is more about the thousand boxes that official checked. Seven years over one mistake? Closed sessions over state secrets, as I said. Tip. Iceberg.
 

Scotteq

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The No Fly list was only step one

Step 2 will involve having to apply for permission to travel.
 

5150Joker

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I dunno, she does look pretty dangerous! She might be a black widow! She should automatically be required to have a full strip + cavity search every time she flies, that way everyone feels safe. Now excuse me while I duct tape my doors.
 

Zaap

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Quick! Let's hurry and get this level of incompetence in charge of our health/wealth/everything else.
 

Lithium381

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Fought so hard to cover the tip of the ice berg you mean oldgamer. Now how many other innocents are on the "no fly list" and how many not so innocent are not on it because of this check boxing error?

Do you see my point? Anyone?

i'm more worried about the bolded than the non bolded
 
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