FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use

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lopri

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In a way this saga might have done Clinton a favor assuming she is elected. FBI has exposed itself as a mess of partisan infighting without discipline and honor.
 

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In a way this saga might have done Clinton a favor assuming she is elected. FBI has exposed itself as a mess of partisan infighting without discipline and honor.

I don't foresee this going the way you think it might.

You don't get whine about breaking protocol when the genesis of this all is a person, who by storing highly sensitive state material on her private server - broke protocol.

Clinton has no one to blame but herself.

For the record I think Hilary will manage to survive the next week and be the next POTUS.
 
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compuwiz1

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I don't foresee this going the way you think it might.

You don't get whine about breaking protocol when the genesis of this all is a person, who by storing highly sensitive state material on her private server - broke protocol.

Clinton has no one to blame but herself.

For the record I think Hilary will manage to survive the next week and be the next POTUS.

Wrong....there is more to come. On this Friday, by 5 pm, you can stick a fork in her.
 

lopri

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most likely scenario in my mind seems to be that,

1) Huma emailed stuff from her work account to personal account to print out or view outside of work (it's also been reported that the .gov email system is awful and really hard to work with remotely)

2) she setup Outlook on this PC at some point for whatever reason to check email (maybe this was a shared computer that had both her and her husband's accounts on it, or it was his that she used once when her own primary laptop was broken or something)

3) this was several years ago and probably wasn't on her radar while getting a divorce from her husband who had just been found to be sexting a minor all while simultaneously working on Hillary's Presidential campaign and traveling all over the country on a daily basis.

maybe I'll eat crow over this, but imho the only way this turns into something major is if either Hillary's deleted emails were forwarded to Huma and cached on this PC, if the emails contain classified intel (which would put Huma in deep shit but I don't see how it would fall on Hillary), or the FBI decides to prosecute Huma for perjury since she did swear under oath that she turned over all devices used.
I am hearing something quite disturbing. That Ms. Abedin was FBI's snitch in Clinton Foundation investigation and she made a deal with FBI to give whatever she had to FBI in exchange of her immunity. It is a very far-fetched theory but it does explain a couple of things.. and Weiner went to a "Rehab" today for supposedly his sex addiction problem. He is obviously trying to lay low.

It just does not look good. Something is rotten. I am hoping it is something small.
 

compuwiz1

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I am hearing something quite disturbing. That Ms. Abedin was FBI's snitch in Clinton Foundation investigation and she made a deal with FBI to give whatever she had to FBI in exchange of her immunity. It is a very far-fetched theory but it does explain a couple of things.. and Weiner went to a "Rehab" today for supposedly his sex addiction problem. He is obviously trying to lay low.

It just does not look good. Something is rotten. I am hoping it is something small.

The Weiner / Abedin joint laptop is going to be where the bomb is. I've heard a ridiculous number of 650,000 emails. Who has the time to email that much? Anyway, if the foundation is a cesspool, it's better that it come out earlier, than later. It'll cost the tax payers less money, than dealing with it after she's elected.

This is a long thread and this thing isn't gonna end anytime soon. The Clintons, the gift that keeps on giving.
 
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lopri

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The Weiner / Abedin joint laptop is going to be where the bomb is. I've heard a ridiculous number of 650,000 emails. Who has the time to email that much? Anyway, if the foundation is a cesspool, it's better that it come out earlier, than later. It'll cost the tax payers less money, than dealing with it after she's elected.
Never thought I would see the day I agree with you but I guess I do in this case. Although my suspicion goes to a different direction I also think the sooner this controversy is resolved the better.
 

Starbuck1975

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In a way this saga might have done Clinton a favor assuming she is elected. FBI has exposed itself as a mess of partisan infighting without discipline and honor.
I see it as the FBI contending with an unprecedented scenario, further complicated by Lynch getting compromised and Obama remaining largely quiet.

This is when a President needs to step up. Not to influence the outcome but to rise above the partisan posturing and assure the American people that at the end of the day we are a nation of laws. Difficult to achieve when you have a former President and an army of surrogates undermining things at every turn and a foreign hostile government exploiting the situation, further complicated by the real dangers of a Trump Presidency.

The whole situation sucks. How we got here will fuel discourse for years to come.
 

werepossum

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I'd venture a guess that it is a lot more than two that do not agree with you.

Commentary: Blame Comey’s moral vanity for dumping us in this newest election mess

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...tm_medium=referral&utm_source=morefromreuters
lol So besides the left openly demanding that Hillary be allowed to break the law without even being investigated, you guys have now given us a new term of disparagement: moral vanity. So now we are being told that morals should be repressed in favor of advancing the left's power. Yeah, that can only turn out well.

If there is evidence, why didn't he recommend indictment? Is he a coward or a liar?
Third choice: he is between a rock and a hard place. If he prosecutes Hillary, what does he do about the Bushies who occasionally did what Hillary did 24/7?

I see it as the FBI contending with an unprecedented scenario, further complicated by Lynch getting compromised and Obama remaining largely quiet.

This is when a President needs to step up. Not to influence the outcome but to rise above the partisan posturing and assure the American people that at the end of the day we are a nation of laws. Difficult to achieve when you have a former President and an army of surrogates undermining things at every turn and a foreign hostile government exploiting the situation, further complicated by the real dangers of a Trump Presidency.

The whole situation sucks. How we got here will fuel discourse for years to come.
Well said.
 

momeNt

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At what point do we just cancel the election? I think there may need to be a court injunction that stays the election for maybe a year while this gets sorted out. Allow the democrats to pick a new candidate, as the current one (k)new she broke the law, (k)new that there was a high possibility of her scandal costing the democrats the election, and in doing so costing us our country because Trump would never win against a competent and law-abiding democrat.

Hopefully there are some conversations being held between Obama, Supreme Court, and Congress to see if this can be stopped before November 8th rolls around and its too late. Pass a constitutional amendment, call martial law, just do SOMETHING.
 
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At what point do we just cancel the election? I think there may need to be a court injunction that stays the election for maybe a year while this gets sorted out. Allow the democrats to pick a new candidate, as the current one new she broke the law, new that there was a high possibility of her scandal costing the democrats the election, and in doing so costing us our country because Trump would never win against a competent and law-abiding democrat.

Hopefully there are some conversations being held between Obama, Supreme Court, and Congress to see if this can be stopped before November 8th rolls around and its too late. Pass a constitutional amendment, call martial law, just do SOMETHING.

Lol
 

senseamp

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You can't cancel the election, but If you don't trust either candidate and want to guarantee effective checks and balances regardless of who wins, then you need to vote for a Democrat Senate. The House will go Republican due to Gerrymander, and together with a Democratic Senate, it will filter anything that doesn't have bipartisan agreement.
 

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embarrassing typos >.< I do not do well with losing my country, and my keystrokes suffer, you on the other hand, laugh.

I'm laughing at your post, not typos.

Hillary Clinton will win the presidency, probably by a very comfortable blowout-ish margin and will govern like a centrist. Assuming Repubs don't give up the ghost of credibility entirely and actually want to pass some laws, she'll have several victories including a big one in nominating a liberal SCOTUS judge her first yr with a Dem Senate.
 

momeNt

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I'm laughing at your post, not typos.

Hillary Clinton will win the presidency, probably by a very comfortable blowout-ish margin and will govern like a centrist. Assuming Repubs don't give up the ghost of credibility entirely and actually want to pass some laws, she'll have several victories including a big one in nominating a liberal SCOTUS judge her first yr with a Dem Senate.

So you're saying that the FBI investigation is nothing but smoke? Or that it's a small enough fire, acknowledging its truth, that the people who know what is right for this country, can snuff out and still secure office for Hillary?
 

senseamp

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So you're saying that the FBI investigation is nothing but smoke? Or that it's a small enough fire, acknowledging its truth, that the people who know what is right for this country, can snuff out and still secure office for Hillary?
Most people acknowledge that using private system was a big mistake. However, Comey is being far more "extremely reckless" by politicizing the FBI and interfering in the election than Hillary was with her emails. Poor IT choices aren't going to endanger the foundations of our democracy. Having an FBI and justice system with a political agenda, even one based on him covering his ass, does strike at the heart of democracy.
 
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So you're saying that the FBI investigation is nothing but smoke? Or that it's a small enough fire, acknowledging its truth, that the people who know what is right for this country, can snuff out and still secure office for Hillary?

Huh? Your question is overly broad as you haven't pointed to something specific that is worrisome. The public, and apparently Comey himself, don't know if the emails are even relevant to the prior HRC investigation, only that they *could* be based on the actors involved. Based on HRC's history, this is likely to be another giant nothing burger of a scandal with no indictments. To vote for Trump or not vote for Hillary based off of the vague Comey statement from last week means you're easily duped, frankly.
 

Jhhnn

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Huh? Your question is overly broad as you haven't pointed to something specific that is worrisome. The public, and apparently Comey himself, don't know if the emails are even relevant to the prior HRC investigation, only that they *could* be based on the actors involved. Based on HRC's history, this is likely to be another giant nothing burger of a scandal with no indictments. To vote for Trump or not vote for Hillary based off of the vague Comey statement from last week means you're easily duped, frankly.

Well, yeh, but that's the story of Trump voters in the first place.
 

senseamp

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump
Deep antipathy to Hillary Clinton exists within the FBI, multiple bureau sources have told the Guardian, spurring a rapid series of leaks damaging to her campaign just days before the election.

Current and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record, have described a chaotic internal climate that resulted from outrage over director James Comey’s July decision not to recommend an indictment over Clinton’s maintenance of a private email server on which classified information transited.

The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.
 

Triloby

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I am hearing something quite disturbing. That Ms. Abedin was FBI's snitch in Clinton Foundation investigation and she made a deal with FBI to give whatever she had to FBI in exchange of her immunity. It is a very far-fetched theory but it does explain a couple of things.. and Weiner went to a "Rehab" today for supposedly his sex addiction problem. He is obviously trying to lay low.

It just does not look good. Something is rotten. I am hoping it is something small.

If that kind of nonsense turns out to even be slightly true, then I gotta say, the FBI is doing a really shitty job of handling the Clinton investigation. First is Comey's lapse of judgement of announcing new evidence that they haven't read yet, and they soon discover that the new evidence has no ties to Hillary. Also, was Anthony Weiner's past and current sex scandals supposed to be part of the FBI's grand plan to indict the Clinton Foundation in the future? Even for rumors, that's just far too outrageous to be true. But then again, I've seen even stranger things happen before.
 
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