FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama admn approved nuclear deal

UglyCasanova

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http://thehill.com/policy/national-...sian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

A lot of this was known before but not the full extent of the FBI investigation into it. Supposedly more to come as well.


Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.

Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.

They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton's charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.
 
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ivwshane

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Apparently no one was informed about this either. No heads up to those approving such deals nor a heads up to the Obama admin. There must be a good reason why the FBI would do this and it certainly raises questions about how it relates to comey and his handling of the Clinton investigation.
 

UglyCasanova

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Apparently no one was informed about this either. No heads up to those approving such deals nor a heads up to the Obama admin. There must be a good reason why the FBI would do this and it certainly raises questions about how it relates to comey and his handling of the Clinton investigation.


So the state department didn't do their due diligence before approving a huge deal of strategic national importance? Or they did and the FBI lied?
 

fskimospy

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So the state department didn't do their due diligence before approving a huge deal of strategic national importance? Or they did and the FBI lied?

It could also be that within two gigantic agencies not every connection that should be made is in fact made. To me the most interesting part of this is why the FBI wasn't sharing this sort of information better with other agencies. Seems like our information sharing is still pretty bad in some respects despite all the efforts to improve it. It also indicates that we need to be taking Russian attempts to influence our government even more seriously than we already are.

I've always found this attempt to tie this into some sort of bribery thing on Clinton pretty silly though considering the sheer number of other agencies that signed off on it. It's just not practical to bribe that many people, and bribing Clinton alone would accomplish nothing.
 

Jhhnn

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Apparently no one was informed about this either. No heads up to those approving such deals nor a heads up to the Obama admin. There must be a good reason why the FBI would do this and it certainly raises questions about how it relates to comey and his handling of the Clinton investigation.

The FBI wouldn't have investigated for 4 years after the deal if they'd had had enough evidence for indictment in 2010. They normally don't reveal the details of any investigation but rather leave that to the DoJ once indictments have been made. Doing otherwise would be a violation of long standing & rational protocols. To act otherwise would open the govt up to charges of libel & endanger possible indictment.

Their interest was in the money laundering/ kickback scheme which was peripheral to the deal with Uranium One, anyway.
 

Maxima1

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I've always found this attempt to tie this into some sort of bribery thing on Clinton pretty silly though considering the sheer number of other agencies that signed off on it. It's just not practical to bribe that many people, and bribing Clinton alone would accomplish nothing.

Even when it's tenuous at best, the Clinton Foundation is still shady. It's obvious different governments would want to donate to it in hopes they could curry favors with the Clintons. For example, does it really matter if Hillary says she wouldn't have accepted foreign donations if she became president when they've already done it in the past? How would anyone know she isn't taken stuff like that into account when she makes decisions?
 

FIVR

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Lol. FBI investigates Russians, finds out they are corrupt. Realizes it has no jurisdiction in Russia, so time to fall back on FBI policy and blame Obama.



Brilliant work FBI. Maybe you can investigate Mexicans and perhaps find out they sell and manufacture illicit drugs? Then when you realize you have no jurisdiction in Mexico, blame Obama again!


I have to wonder who allocates the budget for this agency. It's like they don't even know what their own job is.
 

BurnItDwn

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Even when it's tenuous at best, the Clinton Foundation is still shady. It's obvious different governments would want to donate to it in hopes they could curry favors with the Clintons. For example, does it really matter if Hillary says she wouldn't have accepted foreign donations if she became president when they've already done it in the past? How would anyone know she isn't taken stuff like that into account when she makes decisions?
https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/clinton-foundation/478
Compared to most charities, the Clinton foundation looks very transparent and honest.
 

woolfe9998

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Even when it's tenuous at best, the Clinton Foundation is still shady. It's obvious different governments would want to donate to it in hopes they could curry favors with the Clintons. For example, does it really matter if Hillary says she wouldn't have accepted foreign donations if she became president when they've already done it in the past? How would anyone know she isn't taken stuff like that into account when she makes decisions?

Whatever their ethics, the Clintons aren't stupid enough to risk a bribery charge, and ending her political career, for a donation to their foundation. This is not money they can use for themselves or for campaigns, or even super-PACS. This entire idiotic theory is something that Bernie supporters ripped right off the pages of Breitbart. You want to believe whatever conservative media has to say about the Clintons? Go right ahead. The rest of us are focused on defeating Trump.
 

BurnItDwn

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Whatever their ethics, the Clintons aren't stupid enough to risk a bribery charge, and ending her political career, for a donation to their foundation. This is not money they can use for themselves or for campaigns, or even super-PACS. This entire idiotic theory is something that Bernie supporters ripped right off the pages of Breitbart. You want to believe whatever conservative media has to say about the Clintons? Go right ahead. The rest of us are focused on defeating Trump.

Bernie supporters do not believe the lies spread by right wing propaganda.
 

fskimospy

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Even when it's tenuous at best, the Clinton Foundation is still shady. It's obvious different governments would want to donate to it in hopes they could curry favors with the Clintons. For example, does it really matter if Hillary says she wouldn't have accepted foreign donations if she became president when they've already done it in the past? How would anyone know she isn't taken stuff like that into account when she makes decisions?

I mean she pledged to close the Clinton Foundation if she won, so I'm not sure what other vehicle there would be for foreign donations. Additionally, donating to the Clinton Foundation is not really donating to the Clintons as donations and expenditures of nonprofits are open to public scrutiny and I'm not aware of any evidence of those funds being funneled to the Clintons or their surrogates. It's one of those things that people have alleged for years and yet have not been able to substantiate in any way.

Regardless as woolfe mentions this was always a red herring by conservative media as it's obvious they don't care about that anyway. What you had with the Clintons was a bunch of nebulous accusations of corruption without evidence vs. massive, acknowledged corruption by Trump in times before the campaign and now massive, blatant corruption while he's in office. Just like the email thing they never actually cared about it outside of it being a useful vehicle to attack their enemies.
 
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woolfe9998

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Bernie supporters do not believe the lies spread by right wing propaganda.

Then they should stop repeating stuff they don't believe. I get that they thought it was politically useful to pretend they believed Breitbart and Russian propaganda but the primary is over. Clinton is very likely to never run for POTUS again. Get over her.
 

fskimospy

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Bernie supporters do not believe the lies spread by right wing propaganda.

Are you joking? You can use the search function on here to find it but right about the time it dawned on Bernie supporters that he had lost the primary they suddenly started repeating attacks on Clinton from right wing media.
 

BurnItDwn

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You will never change the opinion of people like him with watchdog reports and facts. His mind was diddled by Russian psyops and he has no ability to think for himself anymore. He just regurgitates his talking points and moves on.
When it affects him personally, he may open his eyes.
 

BurnItDwn

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Are you joking? You can use the search function on here to find it but right about the time it dawned on Bernie supporters that he had lost the primary they suddenly started repeating attacks on Clinton from right wing media.
He made blanket statements about bernie supporters with no evidence to back them up.

I think he is confusing Bernie supporters with right wingers who pretend to like Bernie in order to divide us.

edit: (Us meaning liberals and to some extent moderates)
 
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Maxima1

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Whatever their ethics, the Clintons aren't stupid enough to risk a bribery charge, and ending her political career, for a donation to their foundation. This is not money they can use for themselves or for campaigns, or even super-PACS. This entire idiotic theory is something that Bernie supporters ripped right off the pages of Breitbart. You want to believe whatever conservative media has to say about the Clintons? Go right ahead. The rest of us are focused on defeating Trump.

I'm not talking about the Uranium deal as if Hillary had a scheme going on. I'm talking about the legal aspect of what constitutes pay-to-play. For example, SA gave the foundation a lot of money and then stopped around the time she became Sec of State. But the distinction between past donations and future ones seems a bit blurred. I know the Clintons are smart enough to go by the bounds of the law. But it doesn't mean anything isn't shady because of it. I find it funny, for example, that somehow Menendez did something "wrong", yet according to Citizens United and McCutcheon they've legalized bribery?
 

Jhhnn

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I'm not talking about the Uranium deal as if Hillary had a scheme going on. I'm talking about the legal aspect of what constitutes pay-to-play. For example, SA gave the foundation a lot of money and then stopped around the time she became Sec of State. But the distinction between past donations and future ones seems a bit blurred. I know the Clintons are smart enough to go by the bounds of the law. But it doesn't mean anything isn't shady because of it. I find it funny, for example, that somehow Menendez did something "wrong", yet according to Citizens United and McCutcheon they've legalized bribery?

Just trashing the Dirty Democrats with innuendo, huh?
 

fskimospy

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I'm not talking about the Uranium deal as if Hillary had a scheme going on. I'm talking about the legal aspect of what constitutes pay-to-play. For example, SA gave the foundation a lot of money and then stopped around the time she became Sec of State. But the distinction between past donations and future ones seems a bit blurred. I know the Clintons are smart enough to go by the bounds of the law. But it doesn't mean anything isn't shady because of it. I find it funny, for example, that somehow Menendez did something "wrong", yet according to Citizens United and McCutcheon they've legalized bribery?

Menendez isn't escaping because of those decisions, he's escaping due to a much, much worse decision than either of those (and those are bad ones!) He's very likely to get off due to McDonnell v. United States, which is probably one of the worst decisions in the history of the court.

As it is right now SCOTUS has made it virtually impossible to convict any public official of bribery, even in super obvious cases. It reminds me of the Hobby Lobby decision where they seem to have little or no regard for the logical consequences of their decision.
 
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Jhhnn

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Are you joking? You can use the search function on here to find it but right about the time it dawned on Bernie supporters that he had lost the primary they suddenly started repeating attacks on Clinton from right wing media.

They got concern trolled, hard. They forgot that Bernie said either he or Clinton were 100x better than *any* Republican, let alone Trump. Slipped right out of their minds when they fell for it all.
 

brandonbull

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Just another notch in the Democrats working with the Russians belt which gets translated into Liberal speak as: "Trump colluded with the Russians."
 
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woolfe9998

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He made blanket statements about bernie supporters with no evidence to back them up.

I think he is confusing Bernie supporters with right wingers who pretend to like Bernie in order to divide us.

edit: (Us meaning liberals and to some extent moderates)

I never said it was all Bernie supporters. But many did. These opinions were expressed right here on P&N: her e-mails, donations to the Clinton foundation, Wall Street connections, etc. Do I need to link some of them?

12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump:

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/54581...voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

In order for someone who agrees with Sanders on issues to actually vote for Trump, that person would have to believe the absolute worst conspiracy theories about Clinton.

That is not even to speak of those who sat home and didn't vote, voted for some other third party, or trashed Clinton in social media but went and voted for her anyway because they knew it was all lies.
 
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