FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama admn approved nuclear deal

[fskimospy]

People associated with the deal donated millions to the Clinton Foundation in an attempt to curry favor with the Secretary of State for a favorable outcome.

So to be clear you believe Russia's plan to secure access to US Uranium was to spend millions of dollars bribing one of 9 agencies (and one other country) responsible for the outcome? How did they get everyone else? Were they all bribed too? Why did they spend so much on the bribes before Clinton was even thought of as Secretary? Why was the person doing the bribing doing all their bribery for a company they no longer had any stake in, long before he even knew Clinton would be Secretary? This has to be the dumbest bribery plot in history.

This appears to be the root of your problem here in that you haven't taken the time to sit down and think about what it would take to get from A -> B here. From purely a logic perspective it is incoherent.

What post number was your answer to my question? You keep saying you answered it but I’m a bumbling idiot so missed it.

It doesn't matter if you missed it, I repeated it for you in that post. Again I don't know why you're taking this so personally. All we are doing is pointing out that you have a strong opinion about something based on no evidence and supporting a narrative that is logically incoherent. It's why I keep asking you to explain your narrative of the plot in detail because if you do that you'll see how ridiculous and factless it is.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Did they bribe anyone else? I don’t know, but Secretary of State Clinton and her husband the former President isn’t just one of 9 people, if you don’t think she had outsized influence I’m not really sure what to say.

And so I take it you didn’t answer and won’t either. That’s fine. Otherwise it’s a simple copy/paste or hey look at post number x. Instead just lots of dodging. Cheers

 

[UglyCasanova]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/did-russia-send-money-bill-151917449.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_article


All told, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from those linked to Uranium One and UrAsia, but it went to the charity organization and not the Clinton family. Furthermore, most of those donations occurred before and during Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign, according to The Post.

Assessment: Yes, the foundation received money and Bill Clinton was paid to give a speech, but there’s no evidence the Clintons were paid by Russians to push through the uranium deal.


No evidence they were paid to push through the deal, then why were millions sent to their Foundation? And yes they received direct money also, thank goodness for those speaking fees.

 

[OutHouse]

Document that it happened. I've challenged you to do so more than once. Merely repeating the accusation doesn't do that.

https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

why do you keep posting the same bullshit outdated snopes page?

It is a fact the Clinton Foundation took millions from the Russians. Pull your head out of the sand, take a breath and look around a bit more dude.

 

[fskimospy]

Did they bribe anyone else? I don’t know, but Secretary of State Clinton and her husband the former President isn’t just one of 9 people, if you don’t think she had outsized influence I’m not really sure what to say.

So to be clear you're saying they bribed her and then she went around twisting the arms of 8 other agencies and another sovereign nation? Or that her influence is so enormous that all 8 other agencies (and Canada) just did whatever she said? You can put me on the record as finding it highly, highly unlikely that Clinton wielded such enormous power over other federal agencies/countries.

Stop with the vague innuendo because you can't answer what should be an easy question.

And so I take it you didn’t answer and won’t either. That’s fine. Otherwise it’s a simple copy/paste or hey look at post number x. Instead just lots of dodging. Cheers

I literally just repeated my previous post, which you would think would be even better. Jesus dude, you need to calm down and stop taking this so personally. Regardless you should know what was in it considering you quoted it at least once already.

As to the Clinton Foundation maybe they were trying to cure global poverty, hunger, and disease or something.

Now speaking of dodging, for the umpteenth time stop dodging and pretty pretty pretty please answer my very basic question and give a very general outline of money -> corrupt action -> result. Doesn't have to be perfect, just a high level, remotely plausible outline. This should have been literally the first thing you established.

 

[fskimospy]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/did-russia-send-money-bill-151917449.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_article


All told, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from those linked to Uranium One and UrAsia, but it went to the charity organization and not the Clinton family. Furthermore, most of those donations occurred before and during Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign, according to The Post.

Assessment: Yes, the foundation received money and Bill Clinton was paid to give a speech, but there’s no evidence the Clintons were paid by Russians to push through the uranium deal.

No evidence they were paid to push through the deal, then why were millions sent to their Foundation? And yes they received direct money also, thank goodness for those speaking fees.

You're now quoting articles that say your claims are wrong and/or baseless while still refusing to change your mind.

This is a weird hill to die on.

 

[UglyCasanova]

As to the Clinton Foundation maybe they were trying to cure global poverty, hunger, and disease or something.

So to be clear Russian officials donated millions to cure poverty, hunger, and disease? Really?

 

[UglyCasanova]

You're now quoting articles that say your claims are wrong and/or baseless while still refusing to change your mind.

This is a weird hill to die on.

I’m disagreeing with the article. $145 million donated to the Secretary of States charity and a $500k speaking fee and yet no evidence at all, cmon..

 

[fskimospy]

So to be clear Russian officials donated millions to cure poverty, hunger, and disease? Really?

You asked why the Clinton Foundation accepted it. It's entirely possible the Russians thought those donations would help them influence her somehow, there's just literally zero evidence they succeeded in any way, which is the whole point.

Again, I notice that you deleted the remainder of my post that repeatedly asked you to establish even a remotely plausible chain of events here. You have instead continued to dodge and cling to vague innuendo because...as we both know... you can't do this. Just admit you can't do it and move on.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m disagreeing with the article. $145 million donated to the Secretary of States charity and a $500k speaking fee and yet no evidence at all, cmon..

Yes, no evidence at all. One of the required parts of Russia bribing Clinton to push through the uranium deal is Clinton taking a single, solitary action to push through the uranium deal. This is why every source that's not a right wing editorial keeps telling you there's no evidence of it. Don't dismiss things just because they tell you things you don't want to hear. Go back and read the various articles people have posted and try to fit the information they give you into your theory (that you won't tell anyone) of how this corruption occurred.

The difference between you and me here is that if actual evidence of corruption surfaced I would have no problem accepting it. You're being confronted with a total lack of evidence for your opinion and yet you can't give up. It's not logical.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The difference between you and me here is that if actual evidence of corruption surfaced I would have no problem accepting it.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm as shocked as anyone that you yet again dodged a very basic request to outline the chain of events you're alleging here.

It's almost as if you know you're full of shit but are too invested in this to admit it.

 

[Jhhnn]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/did-russia-send-money-bill-151917449.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_article


All told, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from those linked to Uranium One and UrAsia, but it went to the charity organization and not the Clinton family. Furthermore, most of those donations occurred before and during Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign, according to The Post.

Assessment: Yes, the foundation received money and Bill Clinton was paid to give a speech, but there’s no evidence the Clintons were paid by Russians to push through the uranium deal.


No evidence they were paid to push through the deal, then why were millions sent to their Foundation? And yes they received direct money also, thank goodness for those speaking fees.

Why are the donations mentioned any different that the other nearly $2B given to the CF for legitimate charitable purposes?

What makes you believe that the Clintons had the power to "push through the deal", anyway? They obviously didn't.

 

[UglyCasanova]

What makes you believe that the Clintons had the power to "push through the deal", anyway? They obviously didn't.

Secretary of State at the time and former President. Yeah, they had some clout.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Secretary of State at the time and former President. Yeah, they had some clout.

over 90% of the funds came before she was SoS or was even considered to be in that position.

 

[IronWing]

$145 million bribe to gain a potential $2.5 million/year revenue stream (minus production costs)? What a deal. If nothing else, the goal of a conspiracy should make sense. This one doesn't.

 

[Jhhnn]

Secretary of State at the time and former President. Yeah, they had some clout.

Nobody has that kind of clout. The notion is absurd, a manifestation of the conspiracy theory headset.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Looks like to heat is on. Perhaps we'll get to the truth of this yet!

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/...ium-deal-informants-non-disclosure-agreement/

 

[brycejones]

Looks like to heat is on. Perhaps we'll get to the truth of this yet!

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/...ium-deal-informants-non-disclosure-agreement/

Nothing like a source from the echo chamber....

For those who don't know LifeZette is Laura Ingraham's site.

Don't worry DSF I'm sure you'll get Hillary any day now, just keep plugging away.

 

[Jhhnn]

Looks like to heat is on. Perhaps we'll get to the truth of this yet!

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/...ium-deal-informants-non-disclosure-agreement/

Sessions' DoJ can release the informant from the NDA any time they see fit. I doubt they will, given that the conspiracy theory is undoubtedly juicier than the truth.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Sessions' DoJ can release the informant from the NDA any time they see fit. I doubt they will, given that the conspiracy theory is undoubtedly juicier than the truth.

A person with first hand knowledge of the core facts surrounding the deal is instantly labeled a 'conspiracy theorist' in your little world. Long live the bubble!

 

[brycejones]

A person with first hand knowledge of the core facts surrounding the deal is instantly labeled a 'conspiracy theorist' in your little world. Long live the bubble!

You almost had that dollar! Keep trying

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You almost had that dollar! Keep trying

Anything deemed to be a potential threat to one's little bubble needs to be instantly addressed with derision and ridicule.

 

[fskimospy]

Anything deemed to be a potential threat to one's little bubble needs to be instantly addressed with derision and ridicule.

Do you consider yourself to be in a bubble? My guess is no, which is frankly amazing.

 

[Jhhnn]

A person with first hand knowledge of the core facts surrounding the deal is instantly labeled a 'conspiracy theorist' in your little world. Long live the bubble!

I was talking about you, not the supposed informant. Like I said- the Sessions' DoJ can release the informant from the NDA any time they want. Poof! Done!

I'd welcome it.

If that doesn't happen rsn then you're just out on another Birther/Benghazi/Butterymales snipe hunt orchestrated by the usual right wing noise machine.