FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama admn approved nuclear deal

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edcoolio

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Here is a thought exercise:

Look-up "Joseph McCarthy", who ran as both a Democrat and Republican in his political career.

Replace the word "Communist" with "Russian", and the year to 2016.

Time to find a new political assassination playbook for both parties and stop copying the old ones. Just sayin'
 
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J.Wilkins

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Here is a thought exercise:

Look-up "Joseph McCarthy", who ran as both a Democrat and Republican in his political career.

Replace the word "Communist" with "Russian", and the year to 2016.

Time to find a new political assassination playbook and stop copying the old one. Just sayin'

Why not earlier, the CT has been around for a lot longer.

Stop watching Natural News bullshit.
 

BurnItDwn

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Oct 10, 1999
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I never said it was all Bernie supporters. But many did. These opinions were expressed right here on P&N: her e-mails, donations to the Clinton foundation, Wall Street connections, etc. Do I need to link some of them?

12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump:

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/54581...voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

In order for someone who agrees with Sanders on issues to actually vote for Trump, that person would have to believe the absolute worst conspiracy theories about Clinton.

That is not even to speak of those who sat home and didn't vote, voted for some other third party, or trashed Clinton in social media but went and voted for her anyway because they knew it was all lies.
OK, so, 12% of Bernie supporters are fucktards ... Or 12% are trolls who claimed to be Bernie supporters
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
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Just another notch in the Democrats working with the Russians belt which gets translated into Liberal speak as: "Trump colluded with the Russians."
evidence? or are you just projecting fantasy? Or did you find 1 corrupt democrat and assume that "they are all the same" ? Or are you just trolling? Or dimwitted? Or is it some combination of factors? Or are you oblivious to your own facade?
 

woolfe9998

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I'm not talking about the Uranium deal as if Hillary had a scheme going on. I'm talking about the legal aspect of what constitutes pay-to-play. For example, SA gave the foundation a lot of money and then stopped around the time she became Sec of State. But the distinction between past donations and future ones seems a bit blurred. I know the Clintons are smart enough to go by the bounds of the law. But it doesn't mean anything isn't shady because of it. I find it funny, for example, that somehow Menendez did something "wrong", yet according to Citizens United and McCutcheon they've legalized bribery?

You said their foundation is "shady." Either you believe the Clintons were doing political favors for the people who were donating to this foundation, or you don't. Which is it?
 

woolfe9998

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OK, so, 12% of Bernie supporters are fucktards ... Or 12% are trolls who claimed to be Bernie supporters

Not just the 12% who voted for Trump. You left out those who voted for Johnson or Stein, or simply declined to vote. I seriously doubt any of those people were trolls. They are identified as Sanders supporters through polling.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
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Yeah, they do, they cling to it as the reason why Bernie was "cheated" out of the primary to this day.
If you mean "at least 1 bernie supporter" than sure, but, the great vast majority voted for Clinton. It's true that we didn't vote with much enthusiasm, but we saw in Clinton somebody reasonable and rational.

Not just the 12% who voted for Trump. You left out those who voted for Johnson or Stein, or simply declined to vote. I seriously doubt any of those people were trolls. They are identified as Sanders supporters through polling.
5.7% of votes went to Johnson and Stein. There clearly were some disenfranchised Sanders supporters who threw their vote that way.
There were also disenfranchised conservatives who deplored Trump and would have voted for Johnson.

I think we should have learned by now that polls are often imperfect.
Polls are what told us "Don't worry, Clinton will win by a landslide."

I think media complacency, and the overconfidence and the certainty of Clinton's victory were her biggest undoing.
Also, there was that whole thing with the deplorables. It really riled them up and backfired horribly.

Overall, the vast majority of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. I think a lot of us feel like the democratic party has been corrupted by plutocrats and corporate interests and is more interested in paying lip service than doing actual change, but, we also recognize that the republican party contains far greater evils. We also know that the 2 party system is broken, and 5.7% protest vote isn't enough to fix it.

Until we have mandatory voting to enforce 100% turnout, and runoff elections when the counts are close, "close elections" will leave half the country feeling cheated.
 

fskimospy

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So why would Russian nuclear officials be routing millions into the Clinton Foundation? They are just being charitable?

I'm interested to hear what you think happened here. Are you saying that Russia engaged in an elaborate campaign through the Clinton Foundation to bribe 1/9th of the CFIUS? If so, what was their objective? Assuming success with Clinton and that their request was improper how did they sway the other 8/9ths? Do you have any evidence that Clinton acted improperly on this request? Do you have any plausible path through which the Clinton family transferred this money from the foundation to themselves?

These all seem like pretty basic questions you need to answer before you can ask people to do much on this.
 

fskimospy

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Here is a thought exercise:

Look-up "Joseph McCarthy", who ran as both a Democrat and Republican in his political career.

Replace the word "Communist" with "Russian", and the year to 2016.

Time to find a new political assassination playbook for both parties and stop copying the old ones. Just sayin'

Maybe you can do us a favor and tell us exactly what parallels you see. This will be an interesting exercise, I'm sure.
 

UglyCasanova

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I'm interested to hear what you think happened here. Are you saying that Russia engaged in an elaborate campaign through the Clinton Foundation to bribe 1/9th of the CFIUS? If so, what was their objective? Assuming success with Clinton and that their request was improper how did they sway the other 8/9ths? Do you have any evidence that Clinton acted improperly on this request? Do you have any plausible path through which the Clinton family transferred this money from the foundation to themselves?

These all seem like pretty basic questions you need to answer before you can ask people to do much on this.


Again, why would Russian nuclear officials be routing millions into the Clinton Foundation?
 
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fskimospy

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Again, why would Russian nuclear officials be routing millions into the Clinton Foundation?

So to be clear you're saying you don't have answers to any of the questions I posed? If that's the case then it seems like you have literally zero evidence for any wrongdoing here so now we're just opining on people's motives for no particular reason. What's the point?

Again though, if you happen to have any evidence to answer the questions I asked I'm very interested to see it.
 

UglyCasanova

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What was their objective? I'm assuming to curry favor with the Secretary of State for upcoming deals. She would certainly have influence in the decision making after all wouldn't she?

Can you think of any other reason for nuclear officials in Russia to be sending millions to the Secretary of State's charity? Legitimate question, why did the Clinton Foundation receive millions from Russian nuclear officials?
 

Meghan54

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Again, why would Russian nuclear officials be routing millions into the Clinton Foundation?

Why do you think? Honest question......esp. considering no uranium from that currently idle mine can leave the continental U.S. per federal law?
 

UglyCasanova

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Why do you think? Honest question......esp. considering no uranium from that currently idle mine can leave the continental U.S. per federal law?


What I think is like I mentioned above, they want their deal to go through so padding the Secretary of State's slush fund ** err ** charity foundation couldn't hurt since she would have a lot of influence in it. What other logical reason could there be?
 
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fskimospy

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What was their objective? I'm assuming to curry favor with the Secretary of State for upcoming deals. She would certainly have influence in the decision making after all wouldn't she?

She was responsible for 1/9th of the decision so while yes she did have influence that overall influence was small. You seem to think that they were giving money to the Clinton Foundation to achieve the result of having the deal approved so I'm simply asking for a plausible story as to how that happened. I mean if you can't even describe the theoretical wrongdoing you're asserting that doesn't speak well for your hypothesis.

Can you think of any other reason for nuclear officials in Russia to be sending millions to the Secretary of State's charity? Legitimate question, why did the Clinton Foundation receive millions from Russian nuclear officials?

I mean your own article mentions multiple other reasons why they were doing it such as personal enrichment and money laundering. Did you even read it? Russia's government is basically a giant criminal enterprise at this point, remember. They also could have been attempting to compromise people within the US uranium industry for future use. Those are just a few of many, many reasons.

So again, if you want to assert some wrongdoing assert it, don't play the 'just asking questions!' game. I don't even need an ironclad theory here, just show me a plausible path where donating money to the monitored nonprofit of 1/9th of the committee overseeing this investment led to Clinton taking actions to benefit these individuals due to that donation.
 

fskimospy

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What I think is like I mentioned above, they want their deal to go through so padding the Secretary of State's slush fund ** err ** charity foundation couldn't hurt since she would have a lot of influence in it. What other logical reason could there be?

Do you have literally any evidence that the Clinton Foundation was used for improper ends in this case or any other?
 

fskimospy

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I do have to say that threads like this show the single, solitary silver lining from a Trump win. Had Clinton won it would have been four straight years of things like this.

Person 1: Why did person X give money to the Clinton Foundation?! CORRUPTION!
Person 2: Do you have any evidence Clinton did something wrong?
Person 1: No, but I'm sure she did.

It was like this the whole campaign, endless articles about the Clinton Foundation and various donors, all of them with vague statements that something improper may have happened but somehow never an article with anything improper that actually DID happen. Meanwhile Trump is in court defending against a class action of thousands of people in a case he ends up paying a $25 fraud settlement for and that's a secondary story.
 

UglyCasanova

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I mean your own article mentions multiple other reasons why they were doing it such as personal enrichment and money laundering. Did you even read it? Russia's government is basically a giant criminal enterprise at this point, remember. They also could have been attempting to compromise people within the US uranium industry for future use. Those are just a few of many, many reasons.


I did read and it does mention extortion, bribery, money laundering and kickbacks. Why would the Clinton Foundation accept millions from them?
 
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fskimospy

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I did read and it does mention extortion, bribery, money laundering and kickbacks. Why would the Clinton Foundation accept millions from them?

Wait a minute! First you ask what possible reason the Russians would use money in this way other than to influence Clinton, implying she is corrupt. Then when you're informed that your own article spells out a whole bunch of those reasons you switch right over and start implying the Clinton Foundation is corrupt from the other way without spending even one second admitting your first question was already answered by your own link. Not cool.

As to the Clinton Foundation maybe they were trying to cure global poverty, hunger, and disease or something.
 

UberNeuman

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Op was chill with hacking into the DNC email accounts, so his level of morality is quite low...
 
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