FC-PGA2 Tualatin Converter for S370 MB, $9.99

[vulture]

This converter is well cool, I have built 3 systems using it so far. I currently have it in a Chaintech 6OIV2 board with a retail 1.2G Celeron Tualatin from newegg running at 133MHz FSB. I messed around with the jumpers on the left (A bank) and managed to get the voltage up to 1.63V, it boots XP and runs stable for normal use but if you fire off seti@home (does a lot of maths) it will eventually heat up to 39C and lock up (using the retail heatsink with the thermal shield removed and some white thermal paste). So I need to get the voltage up further, so if someone knows how to do it with the jumpers I will much appreciate the info (my board does not do voltage). Also, I see that justdeals have the ASUS-CUSL2 for $24 + shipping - I guess that will be a good board to build a system with voltage adjustments, etc. Total cost for mb+CPU is $24 (board), $10 converter, $40 CPU = $74 + shipping costs - not bad!

Thanks

 

[dragonlord2112]

Originally posted by: vulture
This converter is well cool, I have built 3 systems using it so far. I currently have it in a Chaintech 6OIV2 board with a retail 1.2G Celeron Tualatin from newegg running at 133MHz FSB. I messed around with the jumpers on the left (A bank) and managed to get the voltage up to 1.63V, it boots XP and runs stable for normal use but if you fire off seti@home (does a lot of maths) it will eventually heat up to 39C and lock up (using the retail heatsink with the thermal shield removed and some white thermal paste). So I need to get the voltage up further, so if someone knows how to do it with the jumpers I will much appreciate the info (my board does not do voltage). Also, I see that justdeals have the ASUS-CUSL2 for $24 + shipping - I guess that will be a good board to build a system with voltage adjustments, etc. Total cost for mb+CPU is $24 (board), $10 converter, $40 CPU = $74 + shipping costs - not bad!

Thanks

Just remember, justdeals tries to rip you off in shipping. Look around, and a 5 off coupon is out there...

 

[bambam]

I got an Abit BF-6 with Cel 366 which is looking for a new life . This will do .

 

[Rab]

Interestingly enough, these work with the BP6.

Someone tried one with a neo370 over @ BP6.com, and is now using a tulatin on the board.

 

[MOONKEY]

Originally posted by: Delbert

Works really well...even works on a slocket adapter.

You adapted an adapter?

Witness one using with Abit BE-6 II, runs good. Adjusting voltage among mother board and two adapter is kind of funny.

 

[kemster]

Originally posted by: cfb44
the adapters run at the fbs of the chip itself - there are no adjustments to be made on the adapter. I just put one in on an Asus CUSL-2, and I can run my CelT 1.1a @ 133fsb through the bios...

I have the same mobo, and using the adapter straight out of the box I can't even get to the BIOS with a CelT 1.2GHz chip in there. What BIOS version are you using? Did you have to do anything else? I'm a little frustrated over here...

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Well, got mine today along with a Celeron 1.1A GHz CPU. Installed it on a ACorp 6A815EPD, works fine, unfortunately the motherboard will not allow me to choose 133 FSB even though it's an option you're supposed to be able to set with a jumper on the motherboard. Read somewhere that the board will not allow certain CPUs to run at 133MHz FSB, figures. :frown:

Ahh well, at least I got to move the system from a 600Mhz Cely to a 1.1Ghz model with twice the cache. and it only cost me about $55 total.

 

[ai42]

The box and instructions have some grammatical and spelling errors, but this device worked well in our in- house tests. We tested it with a Biostar M6VCF motherboard using both a Celeron 1200 and a Pentium III 1133 (both Tualatin processors). In the case of the Celeron 1200, the BIOS of the M6VCF saw it as a Pentium III 305, but Sandra 2002 saw it as a Celeron 1200, and it ran without problems.

Hehe that R&D department really did their research didn't they?

 

[cfb44]

Originally posted by: kemster

Originally posted by: cfb44
the adapters run at the fbs of the chip itself - there are no adjustments to be made on the adapter. I just put one in on an Asus CUSL-2, and I can run my CelT 1.1a @ 133fsb through the bios...

I have the same mobo, and using the adapter straight out of the box I can't even get to the BIOS with a CelT 1.2GHz chip in there. What BIOS version are you using? Did you have to do anything else? I'm a little frustrated over here...

Im using bios 1001.a, 6/21/00 - which is probably the original bios. I have A5/A6 and B8/B9 jumpered on the adapter and the bios was set to default originally. It booted up @ 733 the first time, then I was able to go in and use the soft bios features. Also, make sure all 5 DIP swithces sre off on the board or else you can't use the soft bios...

 

[htne]

I orderered two of these adapters from Computer Geeks, and two of the Celeron 1.2A cpus from Newegg. I also ordered one of the Asus CUSL2 motherboards from JustDeals. The adapters and the cpus came in yesterday, still waiting on the motherboard. In the meantime, I have been playing with a Gigabyte GA-6OXE motherboard (Intel 815 chipset). This motherboard was running a FCPGA Celeron 900 at 1.2Ghz (133/33 FSB/PCI). It has a jumper to raise the voltage by 10% (in the CMOS setup, it says I am getting 1.61 volts VCORE).

This motherboard will not post at 133 FSB, it boots and runs Windows XP at 120 FSB. But the onboard sound drops out, as the PCI bus is at 40. This motherboard will use a 1/4 PCI divider with the older Celeron 900, but will not do so on the Tualatin. In the CMOS setup, under Frequency, if I set the FSB to 133 I get 44 for the PCI. With the old cpu, I got 133/33. So I know it has a 1/4 PCI divider, but for some reason it will not use it when the adapter and Tualatin is in place. I think I am better off with the older cpu, only 128k cache but 133 mhz FSB versus 256k cache but only 100 mhz FSB on the Tualatin.

 

[cnwk64]

I order one and it rocks on my asus cuv4x, now I am running celeron III at stock speed of 1.2 ghz.
the old cpu as cele II (coppermine) 667 oc 950. I was able to see the speed increase, but my wife (she use that computer mostly) can't tell at all.
the bios is the most recent version download from asus, the board is first revision, so i guess it should work wilth all the cuv4x board, but don't take my word for it.

 

[Eug]

Is this the same as the Upgradeware adapter?

Anyways, I have an upgradeware (slot, not S370) adapter, and it works great with my Celeron 1.4. I didn't feel like dealing with overclocking.

 

[mindless1]

From what I've seen your odds of hitting 133FSB dramatically decline when using a 1.2 GHz & higher chip. IMHO, you're better off with the 1.1GHz anyway, if your motherboard is stable enough to get the chip to FSB OVER 133MHz you'll be better off.


For those of you with CPUs that "should" be able to hit 133FSB or have odd PCI divider problem, you "might" get it working by insulating the 133MHz bus select pin, which tricks the motherboard into thinking it's a 133MHz CPU by default (essentially a P3 Tualatin instead of Celery Tualatin). For example, a couple of motherboards that required this (IIRC) were a Tyan S1854 and a MSI 6368. The MSI board even natively supports Tualatins IIRC, so it was just an o'c-unfriendly BIOS.

The easiest way to do that is cut off a sliver of floppy drive cable insulation, maybe 3mm long, and slip it over that BSEL pin. Enlarge the appropriate socket hole just enough with a drill bit or jeweler's screwdriver, etc (but careful not to drill too deep). There is no chance to cause damage if this is done properly, but if you go overboard and drill down into your motherboard, OOPS! (I prefer using the jewler's screwdriver).

 

[laugh]

i have a question. I bought the converter as well. but I have difficulty to insert it into the socket370. I need to lift the handle of the socket370 on the motherboard, but then I find the vertical handle prevents the converter from being pushed down smoothly. The handle blocks on the way. I am not able to keep pushing the converter down -- otherwise, the mobo's handle will be broken.

how do you guys deal with that?

 

[Piblokto]

Laugh, I had the same problem, but kept fiddling with it and all of a sudden it popped in (I did have to use a little bit of force). Like you, I thought the handle was blocking the way, but if you come at it from one direction (I believe seating the pins on the handle side first) it will work for you. Once I did it the first time, it was easy after that. Good luck, it was frustrating at first.

 

[mindless1]

I would imagine practically everyone has the problem with the lever clearance, and we, uhh, finesse it in (before reaching for the hammer).

 

[CarbonBasedLifeForm]

Now if I can just adapt this one last slot one to socket 370 - then I can . . . .

 

[laugh]

great news. I broke the plastic handle of the socket on mobo, then I had to hammer the damn socket to lock position. then the tualatin C1.1 does not work. tried both Intel and VIA jumpers. neither worked. now I switched back to the damn celeron 1G, and the stupid Dell refused to boot any more.

also, to remove the converter and re-lock the celeron back in, I broke the converter -- I had to hammer with a screw driver.

so, I lost a PC finally. AWWWWWW

*update* I fixed the problem. Now I am running the original Celeron 1G again. I won't touch the converter any more. Dang Dell's fragile plastic handle on the socket! Lame! If it were a steel handle... Oh well. I used two hammers (!!!) to tighten the old Celeron back...

 

[unclebud]

"For example, a couple of motherboards that required this (IIRC) were a Tyan S1854 and a MSI 6368. The MSI board even natively supports Tualatins IIRC, so it was just an o'c-unfriendly BIOS."
if anyone wants to know, i have that board (tyan trinity 400 s1854) and it works pretty good with cel 1.3 and the upgradeware slot adapter from stratton.
post at startup reports 1304 with 133fsb
glad because the bx board in the compaq evo sb was clowning... would work fine, but always squalling at the post screen...

 

[mindless1]

The Tyan S1854 I had worked at default speeds without the BSEL Pin mod, but when it was changed to 133FSB, methink it ignored that setting and continued to run at 100FSB. I believe it reports 133MHz for the memory in async mode.

Unclebud, if your Celery 1.3 is still running @ 1.3, your mobo is also ignoring the 133FSB, since the Tuallies are multiplier locked. You likely know this, but someone else may not.

I could be wrong, my memory of it is a bit vague. I could be getting that mobo confused with some other boards, that did use 133FSB ok but put the AGP out of spec without the BSEL mod.

 

[pxc]

I found this page yesterday and saved myself $10 on an adapter: http://digilander.libero.it/grandecigno/Tua_BX_41.htm (edit: linkified)

I used masking tape to isolate the 3 pins, plus 2 small strands of wire from an old drive cable to connect 2 sets of pins as shown in the diagram. I also used an X-Acto knife to widen the 3 holes used by pins covered in masking tape. The modification works as advertised: my FC-PGA/PPGA VIA8601A (ApolloPLE133 chipset) motherboard wouldn't even POST with a Tualatin Celeron 1.0A (FC-PGA2, 256KB L2, 100MHz FSB) CPU. I did the modifications above and now it even overclocks to 133MHz FSB at stock voltage (1.45v... YMMV depending on your chip). This is a cheaper way out if you have an FC-PGA board (not PPGA only).

 

[bambam]

PXC - thanks for the link . I was going to order the adapter but will give first give this a try .

 

[ChurchOfSubgenius]

This is great, I don't care much about putting a tually in there but I have a Abit BX-133 RAID I got from Newegg last year for $1 that had the plastic socket lugs broken off, I have tried everything to repair them (JB weld and steady hands) but this looks like the thing that will bring it back to life

 

[unclebud]

giving me too much credit
most of what i know comes from either my boss or anandtech
and he was surprised it booted
all of that is probably right... i was just saying the board worked with the adapter ie. the setup seems reliable...

 

[grant2]

FWIW I found a Slot 1 -> Tualatin converter at http://www.strattoncomputer.com for old-schoolers (heh) like me. Sure, it's $20, but i'd spend that much on a slot 1 -> s370 converter anyways.

Also Strattoncomputer has a great resellerrating .