FDA Reluctantly Admits Mercury Fillings Have Neurotoxic Effects on Children

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Mercury has been a known toxin for a very very long time

Other known toxins:

- Water
- Oxygen
- Salt
- Potassium
- Alcohol
- Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
- Penicillin
- Aspirin
- etc...

ZV

Um, no. Everything you've listed has clear benefits to humans in appropriate doses and is not toxic. Can you say the same for Mercury?

Yes actually. Mercury is a necessary component any fluorescent bulb and in appropriate doses is indeed absolutely safe.

ZV

I dont think anyone has put a flourescent bulb in their mouth.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Mercury has been a known toxin for a very very long time

Other known toxins:

- Water
- Oxygen
- Salt
- Potassium
- Alcohol
- Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
- Penicillin
- Aspirin
- etc...

ZV

Um, no. Everything you've listed has clear benefits to humans in appropriate doses and is not toxic. Can you say the same for Mercury?

Yes actually. Mercury is a necessary component any fluorescent bulb and in appropriate doses is indeed absolutely safe.

ZV

I dont think anyone has put a flourescent bulb in their mouth.

dmcowen674 says hello.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Wait did someone just say there is such a thing as an appropriate or safe dose of poison?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
Proven right? I don't know. I would have liked to have seen the release from the FDA itself and not from a website with an agenda. Settling the lawsuit doesn't prove anything it just means they are settling. Damage? I didn't see anything about damage done to anyone--just that it may cause damage. Is there a case where it can be linked or proved? Probably not. Even the above article states that amalgam has been in use since the 1800's.

What are you arguing here? that mercury isn't toxic to humans ?

Nope not at all. I just want to see the proof that amalgam fillings cause the above afflictions. And not some link to a naturopathic website--but from the FDA stating this fact.

This is the same website that has an article saying that a seed grown in microwaved water won't grow.

When you can't argue facts attack the messenger

 

[DaveSimmons]

Fillings may well be killing us all in our sleep, but it's a fact that the thread title doesn't match the actual statement made by the FDA.

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Wait did someone just say there is such a thing as an appropriate or safe dose of poison?

Think: Chemotherapy

That's exactly what Chemo is; controlled poisoning.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Wait did someone just say there is such a thing as an appropriate or safe dose of poison?

Think: Chemotherapy

That's exactly what Chemo is; controlled poisoning.

Yep, PPM means nothing around here.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Wait did someone just say there is such a thing as an appropriate or safe dose of poison?

Think: Chemotherapy

That's exactly what Chemo is; controlled poisoning.

clearly you've never met anyone going through chemo...its often more traumatizing to the body than the cancer itself. There is no doubt it kills cancer but to say chemo is safe is rather insane. It is a last resort to keep someone alive. Mercury fillings aren't a last resort to keep someone alive.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: cliftonite
I dont think anyone has put a flourescent bulb in their mouth.

Got a shard of one in my finger three years back. Some of those designs are more fragile than others....

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Mercury has been a known toxin for a very very long time

Other known toxins:

- Water
- Oxygen
- Salt
- Potassium
- Alcohol
- Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
- Penicillin
- Aspirin
- etc...

ZV

Um, no. Everything you've listed has clear benefits to humans in appropriate doses and is not toxic. Can you say the same for Mercury?

Yes actually. Mercury is a necessary component any fluorescent bulb and in appropriate doses is indeed absolutely safe.

ZV

I dont think anyone has put a flourescent bulb in their mouth.

If they break you breathe it in. If you drive by a coal plant you breathe it in. If you have fish for dinner you're probably eating it. Seriously, we get mercury from so many sources that getting a few filling during your ENTIRE life has to be WAY down on the list of sources.

But no, lets spend all our time ranting about a vast global conspiracy by the multinational tooth filling corporations.

And I'm surprised no one has brought up the poisoning effects of flouride. Man those dentists sure are evil!

 

[KAZANI]

Originally posted by: dainthomas
You probably get orders of magnitude more mercury from eating a couple tuna rolls or driving by a coal power plant.

Page 11 of WHO's "ELEMENTAL MERCURY AND INORGANIC MERCURY COMPOUNDS: HUMAN HEALTH ASPECTS":

Dental amalgam fillings are the primary source of mercury exposure for the general population (Skare, 1995; Health Canada, 1997).

 

[Dufusyte]

While we're at it, fluoride is also a well known neurotoxin. If your toothpaste has a warning, "If you eat this toothpaste, call Poison Control" then evidently the toothpaste contains poison.

Tom of Maine's fluoride-free toothpaste For The Win; Tom's doesn't have a poison disclaimer because it doesn't contain poison.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

If they break you breathe it in. If you drive by a coal plant you breathe it in. If you have fish for dinner you're probably eating it. Seriously, we get mercury from so many sources that getting a few filling during your ENTIRE life has to be WAY down on the list of sources.

But no, lets spend all our time ranting about a vast global conspiracy by the multinational tooth filling corporations.

And I'm surprised no one has brought up the poisoning effects of flouride. Man those dentists sure are evil!

Aren't you a little embarrassed to come back to a thread where I already proved how dumb you were with your whole tuna thing, and then restate it again? Guess not...

 

[Throckmorton]

Why is there any debate about whether mercury is toxic?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Dufusyte
While we're at it, fluoride is also a well known neurotoxin. If your toothpaste has a warning, "If you eat this toothpaste, call Poison Control" then evidently the toothpaste contains poison.

Tom of Maine's fluoride-free toothpaste For The Win; Tom's doesn't have a poison disclaimer because it doesn't contain poison.

most over the counter medicine says that. the difference between toxin and medicine is mostly a matter of dosage. Although i don't see anyone but strawmen claiming mercury is healthy.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Wait did someone just say there is such a thing as an appropriate or safe dose of poison?

Think: Chemotherapy

That's exactly what Chemo is; controlled poisoning.

clearly you've never met anyone going through chemo...its often more traumatizing to the body than the cancer itself. There is no doubt it kills cancer but to say chemo is safe is rather insane. It is a last resort to keep someone alive. Mercury fillings aren't a last resort to keep someone alive.

overdosing on tylenol can kill you too. now you'll say "you'd have to be stupid to take that much tylenol" which completely avoids the issue, which is that one can take a safe dose of poison, because poison is a relative term.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: KAZANI

Originally posted by: dainthomas
You probably get orders of magnitude more mercury from eating a couple tuna rolls or driving by a coal power plant.

Page 11 of WHO's "ELEMENTAL MERCURY AND INORGANIC MERCURY COMPOUNDS: HUMAN HEALTH ASPECTS":

Dental amalgam fillings are the primary source of mercury exposure for the general population (Skare, 1995; Health Canada, 1997).

FWIW, I noticed that those studies from there are somewhat dated and might not be as conclusive as you make it out to be. For example, on page 10 of that study, you can see that they suggest that dental amalgam has a mercury retention of 1-22 micrograms. They also suggest that a study in 1991 that fish has a retention of 0.06 micrograms (one tenth of the 0.6 intake from fish).

Flash forward to a NYT article this year that found that six pieces of sushi might contain more than 49 micrograms of mercury or 7 times the acceptable daily reference dose. In the worst case found by the NYT, a back of the envelope calculation finds that a single piece from Japonica was found to have more than 4.4 times the acceptable daily reference dose.

Another relatively recent Washington Post piece gives us the math that a six ounce portion of fish with 1 ppm of mercury gives us 170 micrograms of mercury in a 150 lbs person. Seeing how the Times found multiple cases of fish with greater than 1 ppm of mercury, the idea of a couple of tuna rolls (17 micrograms retained in 6 oz) being several orders of magnitude larger than fillings (1 microgram on the low end) isn't totally out of line.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dainthomas

If they break you breathe it in. If you drive by a coal plant you breathe it in. If you have fish for dinner you're probably eating it. Seriously, we get mercury from so many sources that getting a few filling during your ENTIRE life has to be WAY down on the list of sources.

But no, lets spend all our time ranting about a vast global conspiracy by the multinational tooth filling corporations.

And I'm surprised no one has brought up the poisoning effects of flouride. Man those dentists sure are evil!

Aren't you a little embarrassed to come back to a thread where I already proved how dumb you were with your whole tuna thing, and then restate it again? Guess not...

So now you're asserting large predator fish don't contain huge concentrations of mercury?

I love how people make completely stupid statements based on what they think is "probably" true. Hey look, google sez in about 35 seconds of research.... From my first link from the FDA: A filling bleeds off from a low of 160 to a high of 782 micrgrams in the first week per filling. The FDA recommends no more than 14.35 micrograms per week for a 45 lb child http://www.pbs.org/now/science/mercuryinfish.html So yah, you are stupid.

Where in your post did you disprove my assertion. Just because fillings contain mercury doesn't mean other things can't, genius.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Dufusyte
While we're at it, fluoride is also a well known neurotoxin. If your toothpaste has a warning, "If you eat this toothpaste, call Poison Control" then evidently the toothpaste contains poison.

Tom of Maine's fluoride-free toothpaste For The Win; Tom's doesn't have a poison disclaimer because it doesn't contain poison.

Ever hear of dosage? We can wait while you look it up.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Mercury has been a known toxin for a very very long time

Other known toxins:

- Water
- Oxygen
- Salt
- Potassium
- Alcohol
- Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
- Penicillin
- Aspirin
- etc...

ZV

Um, no. Everything you've listed has clear benefits to humans in appropriate doses and is not toxic. Can you say the same for Mercury?

Yes actually. Mercury is a necessary component any fluorescent bulb and in appropriate doses is indeed absolutely safe.

ZV

I dont think anyone has put a flourescent bulb in their mouth.

If they break you breathe it in. If you drive by a coal plant you breathe it in. If you have fish for dinner you're probably eating it. Seriously, we get mercury from so many sources that getting a few filling during your ENTIRE life has to be WAY down on the list of sources.

But no, lets spend all our time ranting about a vast global conspiracy by the multinational tooth filling corporations.

And I'm surprised no one has brought up the poisoning effects of flouride. Man those dentists sure are evil!

wait are you really justifying using poisons because we may be exposed else where outside of our control....so "fuck it" why not purposely do it. what kind of ass backwards justification is that.

Please explain the purpose of fluoride in tap water while your at it.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dainthomas

If they break you breathe it in. If you drive by a coal plant you breathe it in. If you have fish for dinner you're probably eating it. Seriously, we get mercury from so many sources that getting a few filling during your ENTIRE life has to be WAY down on the list of sources.

But no, lets spend all our time ranting about a vast global conspiracy by the multinational tooth filling corporations.

And I'm surprised no one has brought up the poisoning effects of flouride. Man those dentists sure are evil!

Aren't you a little embarrassed to come back to a thread where I already proved how dumb you were with your whole tuna thing, and then restate it again? Guess not...

So now you're asserting large predator fish don't contain huge concentrations of mercury?

I love how people make completely stupid statements based on what they think is "probably" true. Hey look, google sez in about 35 seconds of research.... From my first link from the FDA: A filling bleeds off from a low of 160 to a high of 782 micrgrams in the first week per filling. The FDA recommends no more than 14.35 micrograms per week for a 45 lb child http://www.pbs.org/now/science/mercuryinfish.html So yah, you are stupid.

Where in your post did you disprove my assertion. Just because fillings contain mercury doesn't mean other things can't, genius.

Jesus dealing with idiots is tiresome. Yet, the ownage is fun. Let's start from the top:

Idiot sez: "You probably get orders of magnitude more mercury from eating a couple tuna rolls or driving by a coal power plant."

Then I show what you get from "eating a couple of tuna rolls":
http://www.pbs.org/now/science/mercuryinfish.html
6 ounces of tuna equates to about 52.7 micrograms

Versus what you get from a filling:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/docke...des/2006-4218s2-03.pdf
"160 to a high of 782 micrograms in the first week per filling"

Crickets, stupidity, or admit you were wrong?

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Mercury has been a known toxin for a very very long time

Other known toxins:

- Water
- Oxygen
- Salt
- Potassium
- Alcohol
- Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
- Penicillin
- Aspirin
- etc...

ZV

Um, no. Everything you've listed has clear benefits to humans in appropriate doses and is not toxic. Can you say the same for Mercury?

Yes actually. Mercury is a necessary component any fluorescent bulb and in appropriate doses is indeed absolutely safe.

ZV

I dont think anyone has put a flourescent bulb in their mouth.

If they break you breathe it in. If you drive by a coal plant you breathe it in. If you have fish for dinner you're probably eating it. Seriously, we get mercury from so many sources that getting a few filling during your ENTIRE life has to be WAY down on the list of sources.

But no, lets spend all our time ranting about a vast global conspiracy by the multinational tooth filling corporations.

And I'm surprised no one has brought up the poisoning effects of flouride. Man those dentists sure are evil!

wait are you really justifying using poisons because we may be exposed else where outside of our control....so "fuck it" why not purposely do it. what kind of ass backwards justification is that.

Please explain the purpose of fluoride in tap water while your at it.

I'm saying people seem to get the most wound up about things that pose the smallest risk of actual harm. The West Nile virus, Bird Flu, and SARS are other good examples.

Your cute little children are millions of times more likely to die by being mangled in a horrific crash on the way to the dentist than they are to experience any harm from getting a cavity fixed.

I'm not saying that it's not OK to have a discussion about POSSIBLE risks, but get a little perspective people. You don't have to freak out and act as if all the evil dentists get together and plot ways to kill little children. Geez. :roll:

edit: And Alchemize, did you wake up and decide it was "Act Like a Tool Day" or is this what you do every day? Switch to decaf or something, bro.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Please explain the purpose of fluoride in tap water while your at it.

I'd rather hear what reason you think there is fluoride in the water for. Please try to work the word illuminati into it.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Please explain the purpose of fluoride in tap water while your at it.

I'd rather hear what reason you think there is fluoride in the water for. Please try to work the word illuminati into it.

I used my Maserati to drive my Illuminati friend to the public water supply so he could add fluoride to it so he could help humanity fight cavities.

How's that?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Mercury has been a known toxin for a very very long time

Other known toxins:

- Water
- Oxygen
- Salt
- Potassium
- Alcohol
- Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
- Penicillin
- Aspirin
- etc...

ZV

Um, no. Everything you've listed has clear benefits to humans in appropriate doses and is not toxic. Can you say the same for Mercury?

Yes actually. Mercury is a necessary component any fluorescent bulb and in appropriate doses is indeed absolutely safe.

ZV

I dont think anyone has put a flourescent bulb in their mouth.

If they break you breathe it in. If you drive by a coal plant you breathe it in. If you have fish for dinner you're probably eating it. Seriously, we get mercury from so many sources that getting a few filling during your ENTIRE life has to be WAY down on the list of sources.

But no, lets spend all our time ranting about a vast global conspiracy by the multinational tooth filling corporations.

And I'm surprised no one has brought up the poisoning effects of flouride. Man those dentists sure are evil!

wait are you really justifying using poisons because we may be exposed else where outside of our control....so "fuck it" why not purposely do it. what kind of ass backwards justification is that.

Please explain the purpose of fluoride in tap water while your at it.

I'm saying people seem to get the most wound up about things that pose the smallest risk of actual harm. The West Nile virus, Bird Flu, and SARS are other good examples.

Your cute little children are millions of times more likely to die by being mangled in a horrific crash on the way to the dentist than they are to experience any harm from getting a cavity fixed.

I'm not saying that it's not OK to have a discussion about POSSIBLE risks, but get a little perspective people. You don't have to freak out and act as if all the evil dentists get together and plot ways to kill little children. Geez. :roll:

edit: And Alchemize, did you wake up and decide it was "Act Like a Tool Day" or is this what you do every day? Switch to decaf or something, bro.

I see you chose option "b", stupidity.

 

[Modelworks]

Mercury is bad, no doubt there.
Besides fillings, they need to get rid of it in light bulbs as well. I don't think most people that break compact florescent lights know how dangerous it can be.
http://www.epa.gov/hg/spills/#fluorescent


A reason I don't use these anywhere they might break, especially near children. I use them in overhead lights, etc, but not table lamps.

Mercury concentration in the study room air often exceeds the Maine Ambient Air Guideline (MAAG) of 300 nanograms per cubic meter (ng/m3) for some period of time, with short excursions over 25,000 ng/m3, sometimes over 50,000 ng/m3, and possibly over 100,000 ng/m3 from the breakage of a single compact fluorescent lamp. A short period of venting can, in most cases, significantly reduce the mercury air concentrations after breakage. Concentrations can sometimes rebound when rooms are no longer vented, particularly with certain types of lamps and during/after vacuuming. Mercury readings at the one foot height tend to be greater than at the five foot height in non vacuumed situations.

Although following the pre-study cleanup guidance produces visibly clean flooring surfaces for both wood and carpets (shag and short nap), all types of flooring surfaces tested can retain mercury sources even when visibly clean. Flooring surfaces, once visibly clean, can emit mercury immediately at the source that can be greater than 50,000 ng/m3. Flooring surfaces that still contain mercury sources emit more mercury when agitated than when not agitated. This mercury source in the carpeting has particular significance for children rolling around on a floor, babies crawling, or non mobile infants placed on the floor.

Cleaning up a broken CFL by vacuuming up the smaller debris particles in an un-vented room can elevate mercury concentrations over the MAAG in the room and it can linger at these levels for hours. Vacuuming tends to mix the air within the room such that the one foot and five foot heights are similar immediately after vacuuming. A vacuum can become contaminated by mercury such that it cannot be easily decontaminated. Vacuuming a carpet where a lamp has broken and been visibly cleaned up, even weeks after the cleanup, can elevate the mercury readings over the MAAG in an un-vented room.