Fear of A Banana Peel

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VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
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Wait until "they" start leaving other fruit... like apples, or (gasp) peaches! Or nuts, wouldn't want someone to get offended by nuts... damn racist squirrels! /s

Edit: Not talking about you RedSquirrel...
 
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agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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And what difference would that make either way? Kicking up a fuss over a piece of half eaten food garbage is foolish. I'm tired of being told that if only I were black, I would understand this kind of behavior. And your attitude is I think rather condescending toward black people. Has it occurred to you that there are black people who would not find this offensive, who wouldn't even make this ridiculous connection with "monkeys?" I bet most wouldn't be offended, actually, because most aren't stupid enough to think there is an implicit racist message in a piece of discarded food.

You sure parrot a lot of GOP concern trolling for someone who pretends to be liberal.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
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Did everyone forget we're talking about Greeks here? You know, the folks who think having a bad hair day is a legitimate excuse for being late/not showing up?
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Did everyone forget we're talking about Greeks here? You know, the folks who think having a bad hair day is a legitimate excuse for being late/not showing up?

You can tell the news is desperate for conservatives when headlining student paper gossip is what they need to resort to.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
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What about the jerk wad who left a banana peel hanging in a tree because he 'didn't see a trash can?' He's the one who needs shaming.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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And what difference would that make either way? Kicking up a fuss over a piece of half eaten food garbage is foolish. I'm tired of being told that if only I were black, I would understand this kind of behavior. And your attitude is I think rather condescending toward black people. Has it occurred to you that there are black people who would not find this offensive, who wouldn't even make this ridiculous connection with "monkeys?" I bet most wouldn't be offended, actually, because most aren't stupid enough to think there is an implicit racist message in a piece of discarded food.

oh you arent black then? Why should you get to choose what is offensive or isnt? Why are you, a white man, so important?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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oh you arent black then? Why should you get to choose what is offensive or isnt? Why are you, a white man, so important?

We're all entitled to our opinions about what is offensive. I can say I'm offended by the lint in your pocket. It doesn't mean you shouldn't call me a idiot for it. My opinion as a white person has no special significance here. What is significant is that these people who were offended had no idea what the actual intent behind this banana was, and they, like everyone else who lives in this world, I'm sure are aware of the plain fact that sometimes people litter. I don't think being black or white has any impact on your ability to perceive this basic fact. Nor does it qualify them to read the mind of the person who left this errant fruit behind.
 

JockoJohnson

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May 20, 2009
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You're trying the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" argument? Really? Given what conservatives are supporting these days, you'd basically have to stop posting in this forum if you're going to be consistent. You're in no position to talk whatsoever.

Not that I am disagreeing with you but this is a prime example of whataboutism...and I think it is appropriate.

It helps to put things in context. But there are plenty of tards from other threads that can't stand it when they are bashing the US and someone brings up other countries.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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We're all entitled to our opinions about what is offensive. I can say I'm offended by the lint in your pocket. It doesn't mean you shouldn't call me a idiot for it. My opinion as a white person has no special significance here. What is significant is that these people who were offended had no idea what the actual intent behind this banana was, and they, like everyone else who lives in this world, I'm sure are aware of the plain fact that sometimes people litter. I don't think being black or white has any impact on your ability to perceive this basic fact.

So you think the background behind why they found this offensive is the same as someone being offended that you have lint in your pocket? Thats not true at all.

How do these people being offended over this affect you?
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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So you think the background behind why they found this offensive is the same as someone being offended that you have lint in your pocket? Thats not true at all.

How do these people being offended over this affect you?

Apples offend me. See because apple starts with an "A" and so does antifa (left wing scum). So please, if you no apple - I no banana.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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So you think the background behind why they found this offensive is the same as someone being offended that you have lint in your pocket? Thats not true at all.

How do these people being offended over this affect you?

Sure, their background is relevant. The problem is that this background is often used as a reason for why we should believe it when a person of color says a particular white person has done something for racist reasons, when in fact, no one's background qualifies them as mind readers. If you were raised in a black family where your parents told you that white people are generally racist, and that they would never accept you as equals, then one day you find yourself walking down the street in a white neighborhood and you notice some white guy eye-balling you, this background might explain why you infer that eye-balling as racist. Yet it doesn't make it actually true because there are a 10 reasons someone might be looking at you. Just like there are other, and more obvious, reasons someone would discard a banana than trying to make a racist statement. The question is, how much over-sensitivity do you tolerate based on someone's background? I think there's got to be a limit. Were these people repeatedly pelted with banana's by racists when they were kids? That might make it more understandable, but I suspect not. I suspect, rather, that that have been told to see racism wherever they look, and that is the real background here that is making them so sensitive. And that, in and of itself, is a larger problem.

Your last question is just silly. I could say the same thing about any number of things you or anyone else talks about on this board - it doesn't directly affect you. Which doesn't mean you have no opinion on it.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Well, I remember bananas were regularly thrown at black 'soccer' players in the UK a few decades back, and there was no doubt whatsoever about the intended racial slur behind that (having googled it, it seems it still happens in lots of other soccer-playing countries today). I guess it might have acquired similar connotations in at least some parts of the US.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...k=bea46d1316b410b8904da31bc7c41f51-1504659164

Sounds like there was no racist intent here (that the guy who did it immediately owned up seems to make that unlikely), but I don't get why he decided to hang it in a tree like that at all. Take your rubbish home with you!
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Sure, their background is relevant. The problem is that this background is often used as a reason for why we should believe it when a person of color says a particular white person has done something for racist reasons, when in fact, no one's background qualifies them as mind readers. If you were raised in a black family where your parents told you that white people are generally racist, and that they would never accept you as equals, then one day you find yourself walking down the street in a white neighborhood and you notice some white guy eye-balling you, this background might explain why you infer that eye-balling as racist. Yet it doesn't make it actually true because there are a 10 reasons someone might be looking at you. Just like there are other, and more obvious, reasons someone would discard a banana than trying to make a racist statement. The question is, how much over-sensitivity do you tolerate based on someone's background? I think there's got to be a limit. Were these people repeatedly pelted with banana's by racists when they were kids? That might make it more understandable, but I suspect not. I suspect, rather, that that have been told to see racism wherever they look, and that is the real background here that is making them so sensitive. And that, in and of itself, is a larger problem.

Your last question is just silly. I could say the same thing about any number of things you or anyone else talks about on this board - it doesn't directly affect you. Which doesn't mean you have no opinion on it.

This is a big wall of text to explain why you dont like people being sensitive to racial issues. And then go on to basically say it doesn't affect you.
 
Nov 8, 2012
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What about the jerk wad who left a banana peel hanging in a tree because he 'didn't see a trash can?' He's the one who needs shaming.

Oh no, a piece of discarded fruit remains will have to decompose! whatever will we do???

Come to think of it, my peach tree in my backyard left a bunch of peaches littered in my yard a few weeks back! I should chop that fucker down for littering!
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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The original linked article doesn't give much detail. It seems, from the student newspaper's more detailed account, that the trouble resulted far more from the angry arguments that blew up as a result of the discussions following the event, than from the banana peel business itself. It seems more that the banana peel thing just led to discussions that ignited tensions that already existed.

I'm very surprised anyone can be unaware of the potential symbolism of bananas (they've been used as a racist signifier for decades all over the world), but I'd also have thought that if there weren't deeper tensions already present, that a simple apology from the guy who stuck it in the tree, and an acknowledgement by white students that they understood how it could have been (mis)interpreted, would have settled the business.

But it sounds as if the discussion didn't go that way, and instead got increasingly rancorous.

Hence it seems inaccurate to claim that people 'cried' or 'ran away' from a banana peel. It sounds much more that a group of young people got stressed out and furious with each other due to a massive acrimonious row over race, that was just waiting to happen at some point (because it's Mississippi?)
 
Nov 25, 2013
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The original linked article doesn't give much detail. It seems, from the student newspaper's more detailed account, that the trouble resulted far more from the angry arguments that blew up as a result of the discussions following the event, than from the banana peel business itself. It seems more that the banana peel thing just led to discussions that ignited tensions that already existed.

I'm very surprised anyone can be unaware of the potential symbolism of bananas (they've been used as a racist signifier for decades all over the world), but I'd also have thought that if there weren't deeper tensions already present, that a simple apology from the guy who stuck it in the tree, and an acknowledgement by white students that they understood how it could have been (mis)interpreted, would have settled the business.

But it sounds as if the discussion didn't go that way, and instead got increasingly rancorous.

Hence it seems inaccurate to claim that people 'cried' or 'ran away' from a banana peel. It sounds much more that a group of young people got stressed out and furious with each other due to a massive acrimonious row over race, that was just waiting to happen at some point (because it's Mississippi?)

Get outa here with your rationality.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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And what difference would that make either way? Kicking up a fuss over a piece of half eaten food garbage is foolish. I'm tired of being told that if only I were black, I would understand this kind of behavior. And your attitude is I think rather condescending toward black people. Has it occurred to you that there are black people who would not find this offensive, who wouldn't even make this ridiculous connection with "monkeys?" I bet most wouldn't be offended, actually, because most aren't stupid enough to think there is an implicit racist message in a piece of discarded food.

well, the specific issue here is that the same campus went through this very same thing a year ago: directed, intentional displays of bananas in nooses when that black female was elected student body president. (is it the same campus? I thought someone mentioned that earlier, heh)

It's easy and perhaps understandable to think any random group of people are overreacting to a banana peal in a tree, but this situation actually has context, which is really quite important. Still doesn't mean this can't be an overreaction, but it's far easier, of course, to yell about snowflakes and ignore that they have an actual point. Because of context.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Apples offend me. See because apple starts with an "A" and so does antifa (left wing scum). So please, if you no apple - I no banana.

anarchists have no political affiliation. ...but then you don't know that, because you are a fucking idiot.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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He didn't say anarchist

He referred to committed anarchists that loudly and convincingly proclaim their illiberal, unaffiliated ideas.

It doesn't matter if he didn't know what he said, he's an idiot for claiming that antifa is left wing when they are so very clearly and so very proudly part of no wing
 
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