Fearmongering ignorant news broadcasters

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: JKing106
Why the fuck did he bring a gun to a political rally, one where the POTUS was scheduled to speak? "'Cause the Constatwoshun says he can, sumbitch! Yeehaw! Let's hang some black folks!"

Huh? Did he shoot anyone? Did he break any laws?

Seriously.....

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
This isn't really all that hard to give everyone what they are entitled to. You have three SS agents between him and the president. He is read the riot act and if he goes for it, shoot him. That's the rewards and risks of freedom. The NH guy will get it.

The Secret Service does not have unlimited resources and agents to protect the life of the President of the United States from grudge holding loons and crazies. Those three agents are threes agents less to protect him from all the many other possible threats along that route.

Your cavalier attitude -- "That's the risks and rewards of freedom", hyuck, hyuck -- is uncharacteristically primitive and juvenile of you and disgusts me.

Curious to hear your own opinion on a solution.

I noted that perhaps a government figure exemption could solve the issue, but am unsure whether that would be constitutional (courts may have to decide).

I have issues morally with violating anyone's rights, though I do see the need to protect our leaders.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
New video from Hardball:

Interview

Gotta love Matthews losing it: Why did you bring a God Damn gun to...blah blah blah.

Wow, Matthews was exceptionally douchie there.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
New video from Hardball:

Interview

Gotta love Matthews losing it: Why did you bring a God Damn gun to...blah blah blah.

Wow, Matthews was exceptionally douchie there.

Funny, with the history of guns being used against a president, he would be in a better position to stop any potential assassination attempt.

 

[ZeGermans]

or being an idiot he would miss and kill a bystander as usually happens in the gun-fellating crowd's wet dreams.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
This isn't really all that hard to give everyone what they are entitled to. You have three SS agents between him and the president. He is read the riot act and if he goes for it, shoot him. That's the rewards and risks of freedom. The NH guy will get it.

The Secret Service does not have unlimited resources and agents to protect the life of the President of the United States from grudge holding loons and crazies. Those three agents are threes agents less to protect him from all the many other possible threats along that route.

Your cavalier attitude -- "That's the risks and rewards of freedom", hyuck, hyuck -- is uncharacteristically primitive and juvenile of you and disgusts me.

The fellow (who by the way did nothing at all), had the legal right to do what he did. I think it was a dumbass thing, but he had the absolute right to do so. You can bet that there was a lock on this guys head, and if he had been stupid enough to try something he would have not gotten the weapon free of the holster.

Now perhaps you are uncomfortable with him having a gun there. I think it highly unlikely that there would be a problem, having more than theoretical knowledge of how the majority think in NH. Is that a guarantee? No.

The fact remains that every person has rights, and some an individual may not like. Note he wasn't removed. Why? Because everyone knew this.

That's why it happened as it did, and I was giving a version of something which certainly did happen. Maybe not someone in the line of fire, but you can bet your ass he was covered and everyone knew it.

Whether you understand it or not, freedom has risks and rewards. People died for it, a lot of people. Too many.

I'll not throw it away for the likes of a nitwit like Matthews. Obama got it, and by heavens I'll give him the credit for it.

Take it up with him.

 

[OCGuy]

Who wants to take bets that Zegermans and Jking are the same troll?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Video of broadcast
I've met Senators, Congressmen, and even a Vice President with my weapon on me

haha no you haven't

As a matter of fact, yes I have. Well, met is something of an exaggeration with the VP perhaps. The VP (Gore) was at an environmental rally, and I was just a part of the mob at the fence when he was shaking hands. I had my sidearm however, as I always do. I've met and worked with numerous other politicians however...debates, lectures, and work on political issues. While working with Students for Concealed Carry on Campus it was common to have meetings with a half dozen at a time about various legislative issues. The only time I wasn't armed at those is when it was on campus or at the Capitol. For the rest, I was armed, and given the subject matter they obviously knew that.

 

[ZeGermans]

cool, well let me know when you grow up and don't have fantasies about killing people

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
cool, well let me know when you grow up and don't have fantasies about killing people

How about you go fuck yourself instead and get a hold of me when you pull your brain out of your ignorant ass.

 

[ZeGermans]

sorry for calling you on your unhealthy fixation with a murder weapon.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
This isn't really all that hard to give everyone what they are entitled to. You have three SS agents between him and the president. He is read the riot act and if he goes for it, shoot him. That's the rewards and risks of freedom. The NH guy will get it.

The Secret Service does not have unlimited resources and agents to protect the life of the President of the United States from grudge holding loons and crazies. Those three agents are threes agents less to protect him from all the many other possible threats along that route.

Your cavalier attitude -- "That's the risks and rewards of freedom", hyuck, hyuck -- is uncharacteristically primitive and juvenile of you and disgusts me.

Curious to hear your own opinion on a solution.

I noted that perhaps a government figure exemption could solve the issue, but am unsure whether that would be constitutional (courts may have to decide).

I have issues morally with violating anyone's rights, though I do see the need to protect our leaders.

Yeah, I don't know, it's a sticky issue contrasting two opposing goods. All I know is that I will do my part by not ever bringing a gun to any political rally so that those few SS sweating balls trying to protect our President, our Commander-in-Chief, can concentrate on the truly violent and vengeful loons out there, of which there are sadly all too many.

Being an adult means you DON'T cavalierly do everything you CAN do in all sorts of spheres, for the greater good. This just happens to be one supremely important instance of that.

I lived through the assassination of John Kennedy. It was a kick to the solar plexus for our entire country, a disgusting national tragedy and a sadness that lingered for years.

Bluntly put, I'd like to take the callow, unseasoned "idealism" of some here and shove it up their boastful, untested asses.

Pursuant to my own youthful idealism, I volunteered to go kill a lot of people for the flag, and did. I've had my fucking fill. :|

. . . And now I'm reminded once again why I don't post much in P&N anymore.

 

[spittledip]

First let me say that I believe that people should always have the right to own guns.

While the man might have the "right" to carry the gun to the townhall, sometimes certain circumstances overrule these "rights." When I watched the video, I took a look at the sign the man was carrying- it very well can be interpreted as a threat. The SS should have cleared this man out of the area b/c the man seemed like a possible threat. It is such a shame in this country that we exercise our "rights" to such an extent and DEMAND our rights to such an extent that good sense is dismissed. We often value our "rights" more than even human life, as is demonstrated in this instance and many other instances.

edit: that said, the newscasters were a bit dramatic and irritating.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
sorry for calling you on your unhealthy fixation with a murder weapon.

Sorry you have the IQ of a donut hole and lack absolutely any knowledge whatsoever of the subject. Par for the dumbfuck course I suppose. Do you guys have jackets btw, or just recognize each other by the completely vapid stares?

 

[Pens1566]

Seriously? Where is this guys common sense?

 

[UberNeuman]

A gun and a sign for a call to spill blood - what's the problem?

Why would anyone be alarmed by that?

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Seriously? Where is this guys common sense?

I think he must have been wanting some attention or a showdown with the SS so he could complain about a violation of his rights.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
sorry for calling you on your unhealthy fixation with a murder weapon.

I suggest you cut the accusatory trolling mode. Understood? You may disagree with people, and Perk and I certainly do, however note we aren't accusing each other of tossing away the Constitution nor accusing the other of fantasies of killing. At the end of the day, we will disagree, but each can understand the position of the other. That's how complicated issues are. You don't get everything.

Now if you continue to go this road, my Magic Eight Ball predicts a time out.

Would you care to test that?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Seriously? Where is this guys common sense?

I think he must have been wanting some attention or a showdown with the SS so he could complain about a violation of his rights.

Pretty much my take on it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Seriously? Where is this guys common sense?

I think he must have been wanting some attention or a showdown with the SS so he could complain about a violation of his rights.

Pretty much my take on it.

He was calling attention to himself to promote his line of thinking. Attention is what he was after and Matthews certainly gave it to him. The SS would be leery, but they would have checked with local authorities on the legality of his carry, and any criminal background on this idiot. Yeah, he's an idiot, but that's not illegal. If it were, half the nation would be behind bars.

 

[OCGuy]

Thankfully the Supreme Court and my (D) CA senator put the gun-grabbers on the back-burner for years.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Seriously? Where is this guys common sense?

I think he must have been wanting some attention or a showdown with the SS so he could complain about a violation of his rights.

Pretty much my take on it.

He was calling attention to himself to promote his line of thinking. Attention is what he was after and Matthews certainly gave it to him. The SS would be leery, but they would have checked with local authorities on the legality of his carry, and any criminal background on this idiot. Yeah, he's an idiot, but that's not illegal. If it were, half the nation would be behind bars.

I agree with everything except bolded. The SS wouldn't give a shit about local authorities. They'd err on the side of POTUS safety every time. Sort out details later ...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Seriously? Where is this guys common sense?

I think he must have been wanting some attention or a showdown with the SS so he could complain about a violation of his rights.

Pretty much my take on it.

He was calling attention to himself to promote his line of thinking. Attention is what he was after and Matthews certainly gave it to him. The SS would be leery, but they would have checked with local authorities on the legality of his carry, and any criminal background on this idiot. Yeah, he's an idiot, but that's not illegal. If it were, half the nation would be behind bars.

I agree with everything except bolded. The SS wouldn't give a shit about local authorities. They'd err on the side of POTUS safety every time. Sort out details later ...

The SS does care. It's part of their job to coordinate with local law enforcement. Now if someone had whipped out a concealed weapon in the presence of the President, they certainly would not have checked to see if he had a CC permit.

In this case there was time to assess the situation. They're dedicated, but not oblivious.

 

[SecPro]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Seriously? Where is this guys common sense?

I think he must have been wanting some attention or a showdown with the SS so he could complain about a violation of his rights.

Pretty much my take on it.

He was calling attention to himself to promote his line of thinking. Attention is what he was after and Matthews certainly gave it to him. The SS would be leery, but they would have checked with local authorities on the legality of his carry, and any criminal background on this idiot. Yeah, he's an idiot, but that's not illegal. If it were, half the nation would be behind bars.

I agree with everything except bolded. The SS wouldn't give a shit about local authorities. They'd err on the side of POTUS safety every time. Sort out details later ...

Secret Service Authority

You got it. The SS could give two shits about state laws. The care about one thing. Protecting the person they've been assigned. The law I've linked to gives them broad authority to designate almost anything a restricted area in conjuction with a protectee. They have carte blanche when it comes to protecting the President.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
A gun and a sign for a call to spill blood - what's the problem?

Why would anyone be alarmed by that?

Second and First Amendment in use - what's the problem?