Federal judge blocks Biden vaccine mandate for health care workers nationwide

[Andro Boy]

30% isn't an extreme minority.

 

[Paratus]

I wonder if Gorsuch would be ok if employers just outright fired antivaxxers? He's already ruled in one case that employers can fire employees who won't die on the job for the employer: https://www.theguardian.com/law/201...-supreme-court-frozen-trucker-alphonse-maddin

Maybe his guiding principle is employees should have ample oppurtunties to die for their employers and by allowing infections individuals to come to work he increases their opportunity?

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder if Gorsuch would be ok if employers just outright fired antivaxxers? He's already ruled in one case that employers can fire employees who won't die on the job for the employer: https://www.theguardian.com/law/201...-supreme-court-frozen-trucker-alphonse-maddin

Maybe his guiding principle is employees should have ample oppurtunties to die for their employers and by allowing infections individuals to come to work he increases their opportunity?

I actually do think he would be fine with employers just firing them.

That being said, this was another case of the legal Calvinball that I've been talking about. There's nothing in the statute or the Constitution that says OSHA can only regulate things that take place primarily or exclusively in the workplace, they just made that up and said the vaccination mandate violated it, despite plenty of other hazards OSHA regulates being present in other aspects of life.

 

[ElFenix]

under this standard OSHA can't regulate falls in the workplace because gravity is the same everywhere

 

[kage69]

SCOTUS stands up for workers right to choose. Today is a good day.

...for fascist hypocrites pretending to give a damn about personal liberty anyway. Pretty shitty outcome for anyone who wanted credibility from this court, or an effective end to covid.

You people live in a damn delusion of your own making, you spew 'right to choose' without a shred of irony or shame. Remarkable, this detachment from reality your kind revel in. I'd ask you to get smarter, try to develop some empathy but if you're cheerleading this shit after almost a million Americans have died from covid, you're pretty much a lost cause at this point.

 

[Paratus]

I actually do think he would be fine with employers just firing them.

That being said, this was another case of the legal Calvinball that I've been talking about. There's nothing in the statute or the Constitution that says OSHA can only regulate things that take place primarily or exclusively in the workplace, they just made that up and said the vaccination mandate violated it, despite plenty of other hazards OSHA regulates being present in other aspects of life.

Oh I know. They picked the outcome they wanted and then built the legal argument to support it. Doesn’t matter whether that argument was consistent with precedent, the statutes as written, or even from one case to the next.

 

[kage69]

I actually do think he would be fine with employers just firing them.

That being said, this was another case of the legal Calvinball that I've been talking about. There's nothing in the statute or the Constitution that says OSHA can only regulate things that take place primarily or exclusively in the workplace, they just made that up and said the vaccination mandate violated it, despite plenty of other hazards OSHA regulates being present in other aspects of life.

That is the perfect way to describe this new bullshit court, well said.

 

[fskimospy]

That is the perfect way to describe this new bullshit court, well said.

I wish I could take credit for it. I can't remember where I read it first but it did stick with me because it is such a great descriptor.

 

[Andro Boy]

...for fascist hypocrites pretending to give a damn about personal liberty anyway. Pretty shitty outcome for anyone who wanted credibility from this court, or an effective end to covid.

You people live in a damn delusion of your own making, you spew 'right to choose' without a shred of irony or shame. Remarkable, this detachment from reality your kind revel in. I'd ask you to get smarter, try to develop some empathy but if you're cheerleading this shit after almost a million Americans have died from covid, you're pretty much a lost cause at this point.

Stopping government overreach is fascism? lol ok

 

[fskimospy]

Stopping government overreach is fascism? lol ok

Well abandoning the rule of law is certainly consistent with fascism, and the rule of law was definitely abandoned here.

The statute clearly gave OSHA this authority. Legal precedent clearly gave OSHA this authority. The conservatives on the supreme court simply decided they didn't like the policy outcome so they made up a new standard out of thin air that's not even internally logically consistent and claimed it was violated, overruling the democratically elected branches of government.

 

[conehead433]

Trump has totally screwed this country over with his Supreme picks.

 

[trenchfoot]

Trump has totally screwed this country over with his Supreme picks.

Those picks were specifically chosen to represent the interests of what looks to be the extremist orthodox Catholics of the nation and the corporate sponsors who selected those picks. I'm thinking Trump being the useful idiot that he is was simply a screwdriver (in reference to your descriptive) that was used to screw everyone else over.

 

[kage69]

Stopping government overreach is fascism? lol ok

Yeah, be proud of your hypocrisy and inability to follow simple concepts, quite amusing lol indeed

It's not overreach when it's a mandate for young girls getting HPV vaccines. It's not overreach when the mandates apply to measles, mumps, etc for school attendance. And it's certainly not over reach to tell women that "small government" will be controlling their reproductive organs, enforcing it with bounties offered to complete strangers.

But a basic pandemic response we know works at time when hundreds of thousands have died from a preventable disease? Overreach!

Keep fucking that chicken you delusional hypocrite.

 

[gothuevos]

Trump has totally screwed this country over with his Supreme picks.

Wait until he gets to pick Breyer's replacement. And he'll somehow get another surprise vacancy to fill next term too. That'll be FIVE picks from one President.

 

[Pohemi]

Stopping government overreach is fascism? lol ok

Yeah, 'lol ok'.

I know it's funny to clown trolls that can't or just won't think for themselves.

 

[Mai72]

I've gotten to the poin that I just don't care anymore. If you haven't gotten the jab, and you become seriously ill from Covid than OH WELL.

Its survival of the fittest. Not in the sense of who is stronger, but who can adopt quicker to the new threats. When they look back 100 years from now it will be evident who was able to adapt and who was ignorant and got sick because they were unprotected.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I've gotten to the poin that I just don't care anymore. If you haven't gotten the jab, and you become seriously ill from Covid than OH WELL.

Its survival of the fittest. Not in the sense of who is stronger, but who can adopt quicker to the new threats. When they look back 100 years from now it will be evident who was able to adapt and who was ignorant and got sick because they were unprotected.

I agree to a point. There are people who would love to get the vaccine but due to medical issues, cannot, such as an allergic reaction. We need to find a way to protect those people as well.

 

[Mai72]

I agree to a point. There are people who would love to get the vaccine but due to medical issues, cannot, such as an allergic reaction. We need to find a way to protect those people as well.

Of course. I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about the people who troll social, and who post outright lies. The people who think that they are doctors because they watched a few conspiracy videos on YouTube about Covid, and the vaccine. The only thing that we can do is protect ourselves. I have ZERO control in regard to how other people view Covid19.

 

[kage69]

Wait until he gets to pick Breyer's replacement. And he'll somehow get another surprise vacancy to fill next term too. That'll be FIVE picks from one President.

Oh Eeyore, always stepping in with that beam of optimistic sunshine. Are you getting enough vitamin D? Sunlight? Does someone need a weighted blanket?

Let's see him avoid prosecution from racketeering and insurrection before you go wetting yourself maybe. And correction, your little hypothetical would be five picks from a criminal and traitor, who would probably have take office illegitimately again.

Let's see what sedition and insurrection have done to America's mood at the ballot box towards the GQP. Hearings will be going public. The majority of people I know who were still republicans in January of 21 have since fled the party. I hope we see that trend from here on out. Treason just ain't cool.

 

[kage69]

I agree to a point. There are people who would love to get the vaccine but due to medical issues, cannot, such as an allergic reaction. We need to find a way to protect those people as well.

Kids under 5 too. My sister has a 2 month old, but at least she was born with some antibodies.

I am all for using the stick though. Fire, fine, tax, exclude, deny, boycott, whatever... and as usual they can fuck off over religious exemptions too.

 

[eelw]

Let's see what sedition and insurrection have done to America's mood towards the GQP. Hearings will be going public. The majority of people I know who were still republicans in January of 21 have since fled the party. I hope we see that trend from here on out. Treason just ain't cool.

Well let’s see recall capacity of independents in November. As much of a lost cause the 74 million that voted in 2020, let’s see how the deciding voting block will vote to either further hamstring Biden or show they won’t let Repugicans regain any federal power.

 

[TheVrolok]

I wish I could take credit for it. I can't remember where I read it first but it did stick with me because it is such a great descriptor.

That is absolutely great. So true.

 

[allisolm]

And FL governor DeSantis has already said that FL won't be enforcing the vaccine mandate for health care workers. His press sec said it was unethical and unscientific to fire the many workers who have infection-conferred immunity. I guess we'll see how that works out.

Gov. Ron DeSantis won't enforce Supreme Court's ruling impacting COVID-19 vaccines for health care workers

Despite the U.S. Supreme Court upholding a portion of the Biden administration's COVID-19 vaccine mandate, Gov. Ron DeSantis still does not intend to enforce it in Florida.

www.wptv.com

Florida won't be Biden's 'biomedical police,' DeSantis' office says after Supreme Court ruling

Gov. DeSantis' office to evaluate enforcement steps as state law prohibits vaccine mandates for all industries despite latest Supreme Court ruling.

www.tallahassee.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

And FL governor DeSantis has already said that FL won't be enforcing the vaccine mandate for health care workers. His press sec said it was unethical and unscientific to fire the many workers who have infection-conferred immunity. I guess we'll see how that works out.

Gov. Ron DeSantis won't enforce Supreme Court's ruling impacting COVID-19 vaccines for health care workers

Despite the U.S. Supreme Court upholding a portion of the Biden administration's COVID-19 vaccine mandate, Gov. Ron DeSantis still does not intend to enforce it in Florida.

www.wptv.com

Florida won't be Biden's 'biomedical police,' DeSantis' office says after Supreme Court ruling

Gov. DeSantis' office to evaluate enforcement steps as state law prohibits vaccine mandates for all industries despite latest Supreme Court ruling.

www.tallahassee.com

He also said he wished he had more strongly opposed the pandemic response in the beginning.

DeSantis says he regrets not speaking out 'much louder' against Trump's recommendation to stay home

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said one of his biggest regrets in office was not speaking out "much louder" in March 2020, when former President Donald Trump advised the nation to stay home to slow the fast-spreading coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Deathsantis living up to his name.

While I'd normally advocate a lesson in the supremacy clause, I feel like withholding all federal funding from Florida would change his tune much more quickly.

 

[NWRMidnight]

well, I guess it's time for employees to start suing employers who don't make vaccines mandatory as

He also said he wished he had more strongly opposed the pandemic response in the beginning.

DeSantis says he regrets not speaking out 'much louder' against Trump's recommendation to stay home

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said one of his biggest regrets in office was not speaking out "much louder" in March 2020, when former President Donald Trump advised the nation to stay home to slow the fast-spreading coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Deathsantis living up to his name.

While I'd normally advocate a lesson in the supremacy clause, I feel like withholding all federal funding from Florida would change his tune much more quickly.

I think putting his ass in jail would be even better.