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Jhhnn

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Actually, it wasn't that they couldn't come up with a plan that was popular enough to get a passing vote from Republicans, it was that they COULDN'T COME UP WITH A PLAN AT ALL. Remember that for all of their failed repeal attempts they have never exposed a single viable replacement plan. Their promise to "Repeal and Replace" has always been "Repeal and Trust That We Will Replace, Eventually."

The GOP plan is the Free Market. If you don't have the money to participate, then you don't. Easy-peasy. FYGM.
 

SMOGZINN

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The GOP plan is the Free Market. If you don't have the money to participate, then you don't. Easy-peasy. FYGM.

It is not really the free market though, is it? It is more like a protected market for their big corporate donors. We would not want to allow real free market capitalism in or someone would make their thousand dollar pills for just pennies and sell them for a few nickels.
 

fskimospy

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Actually, it wasn't that they couldn't come up with a plan that was popular enough to get a passing vote from Republicans, it was that they COULDN'T COME UP WITH A PLAN AT ALL. Remember that for all of their failed repeal attempts they have never exposed a single viable replacement plan. Their promise to "Repeal and Replace" has always been "Repeal and Trust That We Will Replace, Eventually."

I think a problem is that the plan they were trying to replace WAS the conservative alternative for universal health care. There’s really nowhere to the right left to go.

What Republicans really want is for the government to no longer provide insurance or health care at all, but that idea is horrifyingly unpopular because it would lead to immense suffering and death. So really they are left in an untenable position. Can’t say what you really want and can’t provide a real alternative. I believe this is why they have clearly changed their strategy to ‘lie about it.’
 

chowderhead

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I think a problem is that the plan they were trying to replace WAS the conservative alternative for universal health care. There’s really nowhere to the right left to go.

What Republicans really want is for the government to no longer provide insurance or health care at all, but that idea is horrifyingly unpopular because it would lead to immense suffering and death. So really they are left in an untenable position. Can’t say what you really want and can’t provide a real alternative. I believe this is why they have clearly changed their strategy to ‘lie about it.’
The Republican health plan is pray to God, don’t get sick but if you do, die quickly. Their base eats all this stuff up.
 

fskimospy

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It is not really the free market though, is it? It is more like a protected market for their big corporate donors. We would not want to allow real free market capitalism in or someone would make their thousand dollar pills for just pennies and sell them for a few nickels.

It would be interesting to apply free market principles to health care. A little while back apparently Rupert Murdoch broke his spine on a yacht and was on the brink of death. I wonder how much that ambulance ride was worth to him? Ten million? $100 million? He’s free to wait for the next one, after all.
 

fskimospy

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The Republican health plan is pray to God, don’t get sick but if you do, die quickly.

That’s the RESULT of the Republican plan, but I think their actual ideals are that it’s better to have mass suffering and death than to tax the rich.

This is not a joke, I think that’s their clear preference.
 

Jhhnn

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I think a problem is that the plan they were trying to replace WAS the conservative alternative for universal health care. There’s really nowhere to the right left to go.

What Republicans really want is for the government to no longer provide insurance or health care at all, but that idea is horrifyingly unpopular because it would lead to immense suffering and death. So really they are left in an untenable position. Can’t say what you really want and can’t provide a real alternative. I believe this is why they have clearly changed their strategy to ‘lie about it.’

So they're going with "Well, it's Unconstitutional & there's nothing we can do about it." Never mind that they're making it that way.

When you're making $M's/yr ending the ACA surtax will more than make up for any additional expense the wealthiest may incur. It's Reagan's vision of a shining city on a hill, surrounded by favelas as far as the eye can see.
 

Jhhnn

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That’s the RESULT of the Republican plan, but I think their actual ideals are that it’s better to have mass suffering and death than to tax the rich.

This is not a joke, I think that’s their clear preference.

In Libertopia that's a feature, not a bug.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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GOP strategists had to be shitting themselves when Trump started talking shit about healthcare because it's one of the last things they want to talk about at all between now & the election.

It's actually quite smart. Trump won based on lies. And lies are all he has going for him, that and whoever he can sell those lies to.

Trump knows he is weak on Healthcare, that Democrats and the nation are motivated on this issue. So Trump wants to co-opt and corrupt it. He wants to muddy the waters and lay claim to this subject. In short, it's an attempt to sweep the rug out from under Democrats on an issue that voters might really care about.

It's not a bad strategy, and it's quite bold. But of course Trump's strat would be bold. Keeping up the facade is all he has going for him.
 

fskimospy

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So they're going with "Well, it's Unconstitutional & there's nothing we can do about it." Never mind that they're making it that way.

When you're making $M's/yr ending the ACA surtax will more than make up for any additional expense the wealthiest may incur. It's Reagan's vision of a shining city on a hill, surrounded by favelas as far as the eye can see.

Yeah but I'm deeply skeptical that this approach will work. Honestly if it does then constitutional governance in America is dead anyway so what does it matter. If Congress can amend prior laws to make them unconstitutional and it's the entire old law that's struck down and not the change then it's basically a free for all on the entirety of the US legal system. We're screwed anyway.
 

hal2kilo

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It's actually quite smart. Trump won based on lies. And lies are all he has going for him, that and whoever he can sell those lies to.

Trump knows he is weak on Healthcare, that Democrats and the nation are motivated on this issue. So Trump wants to co-opt and corrupt it. He wants to muddy the waters and lay claim to this subject. In short, it's an attempt to sweep the rug out from under Democrats on an issue that voters might really care about.

It's not a bad strategy, and it's quite bold. But of course Trump's strat would be bold. Keeping up the facade is all he has going for him.
Good luck with that, unless half the country has been gas lighted already.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
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The real stupid thing is that this is the same promise he made before the last election, and that turned out to be a lie. They had 2 years to pass their miracle plan, tried several times, but in the end could not come up with a single plan that was popular enough to even get a majority among themselves.
Unfortunately doesn't mean it won't work again
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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It's actually quite smart. Trump won based on lies. And lies are all he has going for him, that and whoever he can sell those lies to.

Trump knows he is weak on Healthcare, that Democrats and the nation are motivated on this issue. So Trump wants to co-opt and corrupt it. He wants to muddy the waters and lay claim to this subject. In short, it's an attempt to sweep the rug out from under Democrats on an issue that voters might really care about.

It's not a bad strategy, and it's quite bold. But of course Trump's strat would be bold. Keeping up the facade is all he has going for him.
Except that he has already given up on it... so all that boldness was, as usual, warm air.
 

fleshconsumed

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He's going to get torn to shreds if he tries to sell a non-existent healthcare plan in the general election. People already don't trust him or the GOP on this by a big margin. So naturally he'll draw attention to that.
I know that it's the observable reality, but I still struggle to accept that millions of people still believe him and will continue to believe him no matter what. This has got to be the most transparent con in the history of the universe. How can anyone still fall for it?
 
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We all know that the Republican Heath Care plan is all part of the "Thoughts and Prayers Universal Healing Network". Who needs hospitals when you have faith.
 

soundforbjt

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I know that it's the observable reality, but I still struggle to accept that millions of people still believe him and will continue to believe him no matter what. This has got to be the most transparent con in the history of the universe. How can anyone still fall for it?
They watch Fox News and listen to talk radio. They would follow Trump into Hell and cheer him on.
 
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Yep, GOP is selling death abroad and death at home.

But FUCK YOU if you don't agree with them that a fertilized egg is a full on human being and sacred above all else! Of course once it is an actual human then it can go fuck itself too for being a mooching piece of shit that isn't tithing to their corporate overlords.
 
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