Federal Judge Upholds NYC Policy Barring Unvaccinated Students During Illnesses

[Brainonska511]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/n...nvaccinated-students-during-illnesses.html?hp

In a case weighing the government’s ability to require vaccination against the individual right to refuse it, a federal judge has upheld a New York City policy that bars unimmunized children from public school when another student has a vaccine-preventable disease.

One of the women in the article, Ms. Check, sounds like she's all sorts of crazy:

“Disease is pestilence,” Ms. Check said, “and pestilence is from the devil. The devil is germs and disease, which is cancer and any of those things that can take you down. But if you trust in the Lord, these things cannot come near you.”

I think this is a good ruling. It's fantastic that you want to practice your religion, but when you make your kid a potential vector for disease transmission and put others at risk, that's where we need to draw the line.

 

[irishScott]

Given the importance of herd immunity in the practical effectiveness of vaccines, this is just common sense. Your religious beliefs don't entitle you to endanger others, even through simple ignorance.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I think this is a good ruling. It's fantastic that you want to practice your religion, but when you make your kid a potential vector for disease transmission and put others at risk, that's where we need to draw the line.

She can always home school....

 

[Strk]

I never understood the whole religious exemption. Yeah, let's deny modern medicine because a book said, well, nothing as far as I know.

 

[sandorski]

Get pricked, don't be a Prick.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's sad that we live in a country that requires laws like this. First it's religious faith that disease is caused by the devil that requires legal remedy and next it will be the removal of children from the homes of climate change deniers, another nut case religious belief propounded by the church of conservative brain defectives. You can believe what you want but when your beliefs threaten humanity itself the state is forced to step in. It does not set well with me to be on the side whose authoritarian hand is forced by the imbecility of others. I detest being the cause of the pain this will bring them. It's sort of like trying to free a wild animal from a trap that before you can free it will thrash about and nake the damage worse.

 

[Binarycow]

Things, no matter how great they are, always have a bad side to them. Our personal liberty here in the US affords these religious lunatics the chance to show and act out their craziness that the rest of us have to put up with.

Come to Oklahoma where I live, there are full of these nutjobs down here. Not too bright intellectually but filled to the brim with lunacy and stupidity.

 

[Moonbeam]

Things, no matter how great they are, always have a bad side to them. Our personal liberty here in the US affords these religious lunatics the chance to show and act out their craziness that the rest of us have to put up with.

Come to Oklahoma where I live, there are full of these nutjobs down here. Not too bright intellectually but filled to the brim with lunacy and stupidity.

Oklahoma may have to be put down for the sake of the other states. God knows what kind of paranoia that will set off in the South.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah it's a good ruling. Who the hell wants their children in class with a vector? That said I believe in parental rights so long as you're not engaging in child abuse therefore vouchers should be an option so these religious nuts can send their kids to vaccine free schools. One could argue that potentially could harm the child and constitute abuse too but I lean towards parental rights over potential.

 

[Harabec]

The problem is that you then interfere with natural selection. You allow them to get sick, and get others sick, but treat them afterwards, letting them cost society as a whole a lot more.

In other words, you give them the rights but not the responsibility, unless you tell them in advance they'll have to pay whatever they cost, unlike normal vaccinated and insured folks.

 

[Exterous]

One of the women in the article, Ms. Check, sounds like she's all sorts of crazy

Yep:

Ms. Check said she rejected vaccination after her daughter was “intoxicated” by a few shots during infancy, which she said caused an onslaught of food and milk allergies, rashes and infections. Combined with a religious revelation she had during the difficult pregnancy, she said, the experience turned her away from medicine. Now she uses holistic treatments.

I hope her daughter doesn't end up suffering from a lot of illnesses because of this...

 

[Jimzz]

"Now she uses holistic treatments."

Yea those worked well for Steve Jobs and others, what could go wrong.

 

[Texashiker]

Wondering how many people posting in this thread have gone to work sick?

Hypocrite much?

 

[Binarycow]

no matter how, you cannot overestimate the depth of stupidity some people possess.

 

[Brainonska511]

Wondering how many people posting in this thread have gone to work sick?

Hypocrite much?

A cold != measles.

 

[Binarycow]

A cold != measles.

he's from Texas? it's ok for Texans to make ridiculous statements. I know. I live right north of them and am quite familiar with Texas and its people.

 

[Texashiker]

A cold != measles.

Dont try to divert, excuse your behavior or minimize the issue.

Cough, cough, running fever, but that report has to be done by tomorrow, if I miss a day of work I will not be able to make my house or car payment.

Kids get sick, oh the horror, while adults go to work sick all the time.

he's from Texas? it's ok for Texans to make ridiculous statements. I know. I live right north of them and am quite familiar with Texas and its people.

You know any workaholics? Know anyone who goes to work even though they are sick? Maybe you have gone to work sick?

I have gone to work when I was not feeling good. When you call in sick the boss throws a fit. I had a boss tell me if you call in sick you better be dead or in the hospital.

But yet people make a big deal about kids going to school sick?

It's ok Johnny, if you feel bad stay home.

But when you turn 18 and go to work, you will be expected to report to work even if you are feeling bad.

 

[Brainonska511]

Dont try to divert, excuse your behavior or minimize the issue.

Cough, cough, running fever, but that report has to be done by tomorrow, if I miss a day of work I will not be able to make my house or car payment.

Kids get sick, oh the horror, while adults go to work sick all the time.

I'm not the one diverting, you are. This thread is about public schools and government policy on vaccinations.

And you're the one then conflating things like a cold with vaccine-preventable illnesses, and government policies on public school attendance for children and private work-place attendance for adults.

 

[Texashiker]

I'm not the one diverting, you are. This thread is about public schools and government policy on vaccinations.

And you're the one then conflating things like a cold with vaccine-preventable illnesses, and government policies on public school attendance for children and private work-place attendance for adults.

Are you fully vaccinated? Are you up to date on your hep B, hep A, flu, norovirus,,,,?

Do not sit there and say kids who are not fully vaccinated should not go to school, when you do not practice what you preach.

That is called being a hypocrite.

 

[Strk]

Are you fully vaccinated? Are you up to date on your hep B, hep A, flu, norovirus,,,,?

Do not sit there and say kids who are not fully vaccinated should not go to school, when you do not practice what you preach.

That is called being a hypocrite.

Fully vaccinated, with boosters, and your argument is a non sequitur.

 

[Texashiker]

Fully vaccinated, with boosters, and your argument is a non sequitur.

And you never go to work sick?

You are also the exception rather than the rule. To be fully vaccinated you are probably a health care provider.

 

[ElFenix]

not to mention there's practically no one in my office while students sit a couple feet away, at most, from 20-30 other kids, all of whom will then be mixing with 20-30 other kids during the next class. so you've got a bunch of people in close proximity with people who will be in close proximity with a lot of others shortly.

there's a reason schools are an incubator for germs.

 

[Texashiker]

not to mention there's practically no one in my office while students sit a couple feet away, at most, from 20-30 other kids, all of whom will then be mixing with 20-30 other kids during the next class.

I understand that.

I have no issue with vaccination. My kids were fully vaccinated, I got my tetanus shot when I cut my leg with a chain saw, my dogs are fully vaccinated.

My issue is people who live by one set of rules, but want others to live by a different set of rules.

Chances are we have all gone to work sick. Whether it was financial reasons, important project, not to look bad to our supervisor, slave driver boss,,,,, whatever.

There are a lot of working poor who would not be able to make rent if they missed a day.

Yet people rejoice when kids are prohibited from going to school while sick? Which I think kids going to school while sick is a bad thing. I imagine a lot of parents send kids to school sick because the parents can not stay home from work.

I would love to see a law protecting workers if we missed time because we are sick. As it stands with hire and fire states, you can be fired for missing work while sick. A lot of times parents have no other option but to send kids to school when they are sick, because the parents have to go to work.

When the chicken pox vaccine came out there were several studies showing how much work time parents lost because they had to stay home with sick kids.

Kids stay home sick, one parent stays home.

Kids go to school, parents go to work.

We as a society are putting money over the health of our children.

 

[realibrad]

It's sad that we live in a country that requires laws like this. First it's religious faith that disease is caused by the devil that requires legal remedy and next it will be the removal of children from the homes of climate change deniers, another nut case religious belief propounded by the church of conservative brain defectives. You can believe what you want but when your beliefs threaten humanity itself the state is forced to step in. It does not set well with me to be on the side whose authoritarian hand is forced by the imbecility of others. I detest being the cause of the pain this will bring them. It's sort of like trying to free a wild animal from a trap that before you can free it will thrash about and nake the damage worse.

So when the government says you cant teach creationism in science class, that is bad because its people telling others what is right and wrong. When the government says you have to get vaccinated to go to school, then the government is doing the right thing?

 

[sandorski]

The problem is that you then interfere with natural selection. You allow them to get sick, and get others sick, but treat them afterwards, letting them cost society as a whole a lot more.

In other words, you give them the rights but not the responsibility, unless you tell them in advance they'll have to pay whatever they cost, unlike normal vaccinated and insured folks.

Fuck Natural Selection.