Federal wages are reduced!

[IronWing]

Back to the OP: It doesn't really matter what the President (any President) suggests for a federal wage hike. Congress sets the wages in the omnibus spending bill and so far no President has vetoed an omnibus bill based on federal salaries. The congress critters from VA and MD generally dictate federal wage hikes.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I do work for the government

You usually go from 9-1 to a 11-1 then a 12-1 then a 13-1. Then when you get your 13 you stay a 13 and move up a step.

Um, no? My lab tech has been a 9, then an 11, for the 34 years he's put in. Virtually no one moves up a grade at a time unless you're changing positions to a different target level.

And everyone gets their 13 eventually. 14s and 15s is hard to get

Again no. How high you go depends on a lot of things, but the vast majority of government workers never make it there.

Also your chart is kind of not right. For example in the D.C area that pay scale is not including the 20%+ pay raise D.C area employees have for living expenses.

The chart is THE chart. It doesn't include locality pay, but it's the chart that everything is based on.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Veramocor

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: piasabird
So what kind of bonuses do Govt employees get?

If you are a teacher you may not even get full social security due to stupid federal laws.

Government employees don't pay into or participate in SS AFAIK. Their retirement plans are much, much better. My girl's retirement is freaking sick, after 25 years of service she gets full salary, full benefits.

The retirement packages gubment employees get are out of this world.

Wrong.

Under the old system that was true but under the FERS retirement system all government employees pay into SS. This has been true since 1987.

Then I guess I need to report my state and it's employees to the IRS?

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Veramocor

Wrong.

Under the old system that was true but under the FERS retirement system all government employees pay into SS. This has been true since 1987.

Then I guess I need to report my state and it's employees to the IRS?

He's talking federal government. Like someone else said, states have their own retirement systems.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Haha, government workers really have no clue. Most of them are still worrying about their regular God-given raises, oblivious to their neighbors who may very well have just lost 100% of their wage.

EDIT: I'm actually referring to the only teachers I've spoken to over this mess. They have no idea how the economy works, they couldn't care less about their paymasters (us).

Depends on the location. Government jobs ARE more secure than private industry jobs, but they are not immune to trouble. Government workers are getting laid off in most (if not all) states due to budget cuts. Granted, there is little chance of an entire agency being shut down (similar to a company shutting down), but you still stand a good chance of losing your job.

Also keep in mind that at most government jobs offer little room for advancement and that as a government employee I am paid 23% under average *starting* wage in the industry.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Veramocor

Wrong.

Under the old system that was true but under the FERS retirement system all government employees pay into SS. This has been true since 1987.

Then I guess I need to report my state and it's employees to the IRS?

He's talking federal government. Like someone else said, states have their own retirement systems.

Noted, applicable in my girls situation. She does not pay into SS nor collect and has a golden parachute from the state.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Hacp
NOPE! They were "reduced" from an increase of 2.4% this year to ONLY an increase of 2%.. When everyone else is getting pay cuts through furlongs, the government is giving raises. You fail again Obama!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09..._BRF.html?ref=politics

You get the Government you pay for. If Obama did what the conservatives wanted and reduced Government wages to nothing, any decent employees would leave and Government would be worse.

Of course, that fits perfectly with the Republican campaign platform, "Government doesn't work. Vote for us and we'll prove it!"

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Haha, government workers really have no clue. Most of them are still worrying about their regular God-given raises, oblivious to their neighbors who may very well have just lost 100% of their wage.

EDIT: I'm actually referring to the only teachers I've spoken to over this mess. They have no idea how the economy works, they couldn't care less about their paymasters (us).

Meh. I work for the state and haven't seen a raise in years. Seen a lot of layoffs, though.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, my girl works in gubment. She was lamenting how she "only" got a 2.8% raise this year.

I saw your thread in L&R. So are you going to get on her benefits plan then be one of those Conservatives who screams about socialism while enjoying top notch Government benefits?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, my girl works in gubment. She was lamenting how she "only" got a 2.8% raise this year.

I saw your thread in L&R. So are you going to get on her benefits plan then be one of those Conservatives who screams about socialism while enjoying top notch Government benefits?

Actually we're going to get hit hard by being way over the 250K limit so this will be difficult to navigate from a taxation perspective.

-edit-
So much so that we're going to pick what year we get married depending on the tax code.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, my girl works in gubment. She was lamenting how she "only" got a 2.8% raise this year.

I saw your thread in L&R. So are you going to get on her benefits plan then be one of those Conservatives who screams about socialism while enjoying top notch Government benefits?

Actually we're going to get hit hard by being way over the 250K limit so this will be difficult to navigate from a taxation perspective.

-edit-
So much so that we're going to pick what year we get married depending on the tax code.

What $250k limit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...brackets_and_tax_rates

Don't forget that tax rates are marginal. Don't be like those jackasses who think that they'll save lots of money by making $249,999.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

What $250k limit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...brackets_and_tax_rates

Don't forget that tax rates are marginal. Don't be like those jackasses who think that they'll save lots of money by making $249,999.

I'll take the advice of our tax consultants over somebody that doesn't understand the consequences of the tax code.

Until you have to deal with this shit, you just cannot and will not understand. Personal experience trumps what you read on the intarweb.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, my girl works in gubment. She was lamenting how she "only" got a 2.8% raise this year.

I saw your thread in L&R. So are you going to get on her benefits plan then be one of those Conservatives who screams about socialism while enjoying top notch Government benefits?

Actually we're going to get hit hard by being way over the 250K limit so this will be difficult to navigate from a taxation perspective.

-edit-
So much so that we're going to pick what year we get married depending on the tax code.

What $250k limit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...brackets_and_tax_rates

Don't forget that tax rates are marginal. Don't be like those jackasses who think that they'll save lots of money by making $249,999.

He's a fucking liar. He's saying that to justify the disgusting shit he's always posting here. Like that's an excuse.

 

[JD50]

A lot of people here seem to be talking about state government employees when the thread is about federal government employees.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, my girl works in gubment. She was lamenting how she "only" got a 2.8% raise this year.

I saw your thread in L&R. So are you going to get on her benefits plan then be one of those Conservatives who screams about socialism while enjoying top notch Government benefits?

Actually we're going to get hit hard by being way over the 250K limit so this will be difficult to navigate from a taxation perspective.

-edit-
So much so that we're going to pick what year we get married depending on the tax code.

What $250k limit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...brackets_and_tax_rates

Don't forget that tax rates are marginal. Don't be like those jackasses who think that they'll save lots of money by making $249,999.

He's a fucking liar. He's saying that to justify the disgusting shit he's always posting here. Like that's an excuse.

Yea spidy has proven over and over he is a troll that does not know anything.

This thread, as JD50 is pointing out, is about Fed Gov but spidy runs on about how the state gov people have it great. :laugh:

 

[Double Trouble]

Government mentality: an increase of only 2% instead of 2.4% is a "decrease". Sad, that we allow our pockets to be picked by these crooks over and over and just say "thank you, here, take some more of my money".

By the way, this is not Obama's fault, it's congress that's at fault. Blame the idiots there, they are the ones creating the budget, the president is not going to veto an omnibus spending bill based on the federal salaries.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: piasabird
So what kind of bonuses do Govt employees get?

If you are a teacher you may not even get full social security due to stupid federal laws.

Government employees don't pay into or participate in SS AFAIK. Their retirement plans are much, much better. My girl's retirement is freaking sick, after 25 years of service she gets full salary, full benefits.

The retirement packages gubment employees get are out of this world.

Not true for feds. Used to be true, but that changed in the 80's.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Every year government employees move up a step or a grade. Minimum $2,000. That or they get a bonus. This is without the 2%.

Govt employees have it all

Not true for feds. After a certain number of years, step increases only come every two years, then only every three years.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: piasabird
So what kind of bonuses do Govt employees get?

If you are a teacher you may not even get full social security due to stupid federal laws.

Government employees don't pay into or participate in SS AFAIK. Their retirement plans are much, much better. My girl's retirement is freaking sick, after 25 years of service she gets full salary, full benefits.

The retirement packages gubment employees get are out of this world.

Not anymore...unless you were grandfathered in under the old, pre-90s plans

 

[TheSkinsFan]

With TSP and FERS, the retirement benefits aren't nearly as wonderful as they were under the old retirement system. Now Federal employees have to plan and save for their futures just like everyone in private industry has to do, and the markets have the same dramatic effects on those savings.

I'd have given my left nut to be grandfathered into the old plan though... under that system, current GS 14/15 retirees with six-digit salaries live like kings!

All at our expense, of course... which is why they changed it.

I have no problem with Government employees receiving a 2% raise if they're doing a good job. However, one of the biggest problems in Government is in determining who is actually doing a good job, and then in getting rid of those who aren't. They tried to fix these problems with the implementation of a pay-banding system to replace the old GS scale, but every agency that switched has since gone back to the standard GS because of all the new headaches they encountered with the banding rating schemes.

But, if you think that new or recent Government employees have drastically better retirement plans than you, you're wrong. Everyone is in the same boat now -- completely dependent on savings and markets -- so private and government employees alike need to ensure that our boat doesn't sink!

 

[waggy]

no goverment employees should recieve any pay raise.they are refusing to give older people on SS a pay raise this year so they shouldnt get one either.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975



Yea spidy has proven over and over he is a troll that does not know anything.

This thread, as JD50 is pointing out, is about Fed Gov but spidy runs on about how the state gov people have it great. :laugh:

my bad. I was just posting what I had first hand knowledge of so thanks for the correction. I know you have much more first hand knowledge at the federal level.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: waggy
no goverment employees should recieve any pay raise.they are refusing to give older people on SS a pay raise this year so they shouldnt get one either.

Isn't that tied to CPI? As I recall, they got a huge one in FY2008 when energy prices went crazy.

Also, don't worry. If there's one thing legislators know, it's that they have to pander to seniors. I can guarantee that there's going to be a bill to codify an SS COLA very shortly.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: waggy
no goverment employees should recieve any pay raise.they are refusing to give older people on SS a pay raise this year so they shouldnt get one either.

LOL, and the people on SS that I know received nearly a 5% raise this year (start of 2009). How much did most other people receive then (I received ZERO % plus lost another 5% in a paycut (of course I work in the private industry thoguh)? It's (SS) tied to the CPI...nothing about refusal to give anyone anything...it's the rules.

 

[ShockwaveVT]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
With TSP and FERS, the retirement benefits aren't nearly as wonderful as they were under the old retirement system. Now Federal employees have to plan and save for their futures just like everyone in private industry has to do, and the markets have the same dramatic effects on those savings.

I'd have given my left nut to be grandfathered into the old plan though... under that system, current GS 14/15 retirees with six-digit salaries live like kings!

All at our expense, of course... which is why they changed it.

I have no problem with Government employees receiving a 2% raise if they're doing a good job. However, one of the biggest problems in Government is in determining who is actually doing a good job, and then in getting rid of those who aren't. They tried to fix these problems with the implementation of a pay-banding system to replace the old GS scale, but every agency that switched has since gone back to the standard GS because of all the new headaches they encountered with the banding rating schemes.

But, if you think that new or recent Government employees have drastically better retirement plans than you, you're wrong. Everyone is in the same boat now -- completely dependent on savings and markets -- so private and government employees alike need to ensure that our boat doesn't sink!

Bolded text is not 100% accurate. A lot of DoD is still on NSPS, but that system is being reviewed to see if its meeting its goals of rewarding good performers with larger than average raises/bonuses while limiting overall payroll costs.