Feds arrest NSA leaker

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
10,038
36
86
sorry, but what you are attempting to mock is indeed reality. again, enjoy being on the side of treason, Comrade.

LOL okey dokey. I'm sure the Reality brought to you by the Dems + Reps working in concert and the oh so willing Media is the full actual unvarnished Truth. I really doubt it, but, believe what you want. I had no trust in the Media or Politicians before the election, certainly no trust in them afterwards, so I'm not sure why I'd start believing them now because they want to whisper sweet tantrum whisperings in certain peoples ears...
 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
10,038
36
86
It's a good idea to understand what this does and does not demonstrate. There is nothing here which shows collusion. In fact there's nothing political here at all.

But much of what Trump and others have claimed is that Russian interference is a Dem constructed plot, and what this does is put a bullet in the head of that idea.

Already I have read on other sites that this woman is one of thousands in the NSA who are manufacturing intel to get Trump and this woman is part of a great conspiracy.

Guess what I'm going with? What the FBI, CIA and NSA have found, and there is damning evidence concerning some individuals such as Flynn. Again that's a separate issue, but this is becoming much too much for all of this to be a conspiracy or coincidence. Will it lead to Trump? I have no idea. That's for Mueller and those like him to determine, but some others are certainly screwed.

So when you hear that it's the Dems inventing things and the Russians are innocent you know better.

Are the Russians innocent? Probably not. I don't really care honestly, I fully expect them to push boundaries, just as I'm sure we do (and not just in Russia, everywhere). But do I buy the Trump camp actively conspired with Russia to sabotage the election in their favor? Nah. Do I buy the Trump camp got used by Russia? Sure. The important thing here, in respect to US politics and not Russia, is the Russaghazi of the event. Trump needs to be marginalized, and it needs to be a sure thing for the elites in power - not a Billary will be elected sure thing (which we all thought was a foregone conclusion until she was honest for a microsecond and blurted out Deplorables!), but a sure thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't want RU F'ing up our elections, but what I want less is elites + tantrum Media (minus Fox) deciding how to run POTUS. Any POTUS. We're paying way too much Sheeple attention to the wrong thing...which is exactly why that wrong thing is constantly being made to keep coming back into the Sheeples oh so short attention span minds.
 

Roflmouth

Golden Member
Oct 5, 2015
1,059
61
46
DNC e-mails were released by Russia, but no Republicans e-mails or documents were, even though many were also hacked.

fake news is the opposite of facts and we know that Russia used social media to spread fake news to the voters most likely to vote Trump.

Russia attacked our electorate and influenced the outcome of the election, it's just that simple.

Yes, "Russia" made Clinton and her campaign behave like completely corrupt assholes.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126
Are the Russians innocent? Probably not. I don't really care honestly, I fully expect them to push boundaries, just as I'm sure we do (and not just in Russia, everywhere). But do I buy the Trump camp actively conspired with Russia to sabotage the election in their favor? Nah. Do I buy the Trump camp got used by Russia? Sure. The important thing here, in respect to US politics and not Russia, is the Russaghazi of the event. Trump needs to be marginalized, and it needs to be a sure thing for the elites in power - not a Billary will be elected sure thing (which we all thought was a foregone conclusion until she was honest for a microsecond and blurted out Deplorables!), but a sure thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't want RU F'ing up our elections, but what I want less is elites + tantrum Media (minus Fox) deciding how to run POTUS. Any POTUS. We're paying way too much Sheeple attention to the wrong thing...which is exactly why that wrong thing is constantly being made to keep coming back into the Sheeples oh so short attention span minds.

It's pretty sure that there was contact between people in the campaign. Flynn is a dead duck here and Kushner wasn't in any official position to be legitimately having a back channel to the Russians. The Congressional Committees stink with Nunes and Gowdy pushing the unmasking narrative when they have done unmasking as well.

That leaves Mueller unless something damning forces Congress to approach the deputy AG for criminal investigations. What will the final result be? I can't know of course. There is sufficient cause for inspection of events and involved parties but I shall wait and gather more information. Comey testifying should be quite interesting.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,346
15,160
136
Are the Russians innocent? Probably not. I don't really care honestly, I fully expect them to push boundaries, just as I'm sure we do (and not just in Russia, everywhere). But do I buy the Trump camp actively conspired with Russia to sabotage the election in their favor? Nah. Do I buy the Trump camp got used by Russia? Sure. The important thing here, in respect to US politics and not Russia, is the Russaghazi of the event. Trump needs to be marginalized, and it needs to be a sure thing for the elites in power - not a Billary will be elected sure thing (which we all thought was a foregone conclusion until she was honest for a microsecond and blurted out Deplorables!), but a sure thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't want RU F'ing up our elections, but what I want less is elites + tantrum Media (minus Fox) deciding how to run POTUS. Any POTUS. We're paying way too much Sheeple attention to the wrong thing...which is exactly why that wrong thing is constantly being made to keep coming back into the Sheeples oh so short attention span minds.


Lol. When you have to explain your position via conspiracy theory and your conspiracy theory has to be expanded to include more and more people in order to justify said conspiracy theory, you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your position.
 

Ackmed

Diamond Member
Oct 1, 2003
8,478
524
126
DNC e-mails were released by Russia, but no Republicans e-mails or documents were, even though many were also hacked.

fake news is the opposite of facts and we know that Russia used social media to spread fake news to the voters most likely to vote Trump.

Russia attacked our electorate and influenced the outcome of the election, it's just that simple.

Show proof that they were released by Russia? Show proof that the RNC was hacked? Proof, not "we think so". I have also said in the past, that I have no doubt that the Repubs didn't do underhanded things as well. I also said I would have liked to see the same types of emails or evidence of such things. I've made these statements since the beginning. We didn't get that though, in that regard Trump got a huge boost over Hillary. It wasn't fair. I never said otherwise. Speaking of social media, do you even want to get into how Facebook slanted things during the election, really? Do you think that there were not paid social media workers? Years ago it was uncovered that there were paid NV shills posting on these very video card forums, trying to sway people. Do you think it has not escalated infinitely with the expanse of social media? Do you think there were not paid Dem "protesters"? Do you think both sided didn't play dirty? Could it have been Russia, the Russian government? Sure, it could have. Could it have been another party all together? Sure, it could have. Fact is, we do not know yet. I hope one day we do find out.

Did someone attack our electoral process? Yep. Did it influence the outcome of the election? I think so. There are still far too many unknowns to say the Russian government did it however. If you know much about hacking, there are many ways to cover up or make it look like it came from one place, when it came from another. People can use other people's programs. Making it look like it came from here, when it could have came from there. There is no smoking gun. Would I like there to be? Hell yeah. I'd like to know exactly how it happened and by who. There should be a exhaustive and extensive investigation into who and when it happened. Those not involved in that process need to get on with business. The amount of energy that is being wasted on this is not beneficial. We have other issues as a country right now.

Speaking of simple, only thing that we know for sure that was "hacked" was a personal email account. The email leaks were not fabricated, nothing has been refuted. This whole "election hacking" is not very truthful. It was a personal email. If the Dems weren't playing dirty, and the emails proved this, no damage would have been done. I have no love for Trump, I think he's a buffoon. Something else I have said since the beginning. I have no love for Russia. Yet that has not stopped people from trying to claim it as true. I am pretty sure all I have said is the truth, and it is how I see it.
 

Grooveriding

Diamond Member
Dec 25, 2008
9,108
1,260
126
Entertaining watching the Republican base deny the results of their own government's intelligence. This is the result of decades of US right-wing propaganda. Full denial and conspiracy thinking from the Republican base, which after decades of propaganda bombardment has become an extremist group. So partisan they have to deny reality rather than accept Trump was aided by Russia and some of them were influenced by Russia's efforts to vote for degenerate Trump.
 
Reactions: ch33zw1z

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
10,038
36
86
It's pretty sure that there was contact between people in the campaign. Flynn is a dead duck here and Kushner wasn't in any official position to be legitimately having a back channel to the Russians. The Congressional Committees stink with Nunes and Gowdy pushing the unmasking narrative when they have done unmasking as well.

That leaves Mueller unless something damning forces Congress to approach the deputy AG for criminal investigations. What will the final result be? I can't know of course. There is sufficient cause for inspection of events and involved parties but I shall wait and gather more information. Comey testifying should be quite interesting.

Flynn strikes me as a guy who was going to go make some money, didn't see the issue with going to make it (i.e. he wasn't going to let being paid money to go give an interview dictate his future actions) and got caught up in a situation where because we have sellout Whore-Political (aka Polticians) in these positions as a rule instead of the exception, he was now F'd by guilt by position affiliation. These general officers can't contain their egos and they get themselves into the political waters and are shark eaten. Lesson to Officers is: You want to go higher, you better conduct yourself like the Whore-Political you'll be rubbing shoulders with.
 

brandonbull

Diamond Member
May 3, 2005
6,330
1,203
126
The Mexican government did more to influence the 2016 election than the Russians. Mexico was sending money and human resources to enable Mexican nationals to become eligible to vote against Trump. Where is the story about that?
 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
10,038
36
86
Lol. When you have to explain your position via conspiracy theory and your conspiracy theory has to be expanded to include more and more people in order to justify said conspiracy theory, you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your position.

How ironic is it not that you post that?
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,830
49,532
136
It is a little funny to me, that the only thing that was "hacked" was a personal email account. That showed what was really going on at the DNC. Up to this point there is zero proof that any actual voting machines were affected. If they hadn't of done anything wrong, the emails wouldn't have done any damage. But facts are facts, and it did hurt Hillary. I don't like that anyone or country tried to interfere with our elections, what is done is done. Here come the typical attacks that I am a Russian cohort, of that I have no doubt.

What is done is not done, what has been done demands investigation and retaliation, as surely we all agree that this sort of behavior by Russia must be strongly discouraged, right?
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,830
49,532
136
The Mexican government did more to influence the 2016 election than the Russians. Mexico was sending money and human resources to enable Mexican nationals to become eligible to vote against Trump. Where is the story about that?

Is this how the cycle of denial goes? First, the whole Russia thing was an evil lie. Now, it doesn't matter?

A hostile foreign power attacked our country and all you can do is try and make excuses because it works to your partisan advantage. Do you guys really hate your domestic political enemies more than the Russians? What is wrong with you?
 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
10,038
36
86
What is done is not done, what has been done demands investigation and retaliation, as surely we all agree that this sort of behavior by Russia must be strongly discouraged, right?

If you are going to take public action, that requires actual public proof. Not 'Flynn took $40k to go sit a Q&A where Putin was, ZOMG he's compromised by Russia nuke'em!!!', but real proof. And even if by some miracle someone actually turns up some real proof, what then? We're going to do....what to Russia? Influence their elections? Attack them (of course not Mil, but $....oh wait, we already did that)?
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
10,457
7,067
136
Show proof that they were released by Russia? Show proof that the RNC was hacked? Proof, not "we think so". I have also said in the past, that I have no doubt that the Repubs didn't do underhanded things as well. I also said I would have liked to see the same types of emails or evidence of such things. I've made these statements since the beginning. We didn't get that though, in that regard Trump got a huge boost over Hillary. It wasn't fair. I never said otherwise. Speaking of social media, do you even want to get into how Facebook slanted things during the election, really? Do you think that there were not paid social media workers? Years ago it was uncovered that there were paid NV shills posting on these very video card forums, trying to sway people. Do you think it has not escalated infinitely with the expanse of social media? Do you think there were not paid Dem "protesters"? Do you think both sided didn't play dirty? Could it have been Russia, the Russian government? Sure, it could have. Could it have been another party all together? Sure, it could have. Fact is, we do not know yet. I hope one day we do find out.

Did someone attack our electoral process? Yep. Did it influence the outcome of the election? I think so. There are still far too many unknowns to say the Russian government did it however. If you know much about hacking, there are many ways to cover up or make it look like it came from one place, when it came from another. People can use other people's programs. Making it look like it came from here, when it could have came from there. There is no smoking gun. Would I like there to be? Hell yeah. I'd like to know exactly how it happened and by who. There should be a exhaustive and extensive investigation into who and when it happened. Those not involved in that process need to get on with business. The amount of energy that is being wasted on this is not beneficial. We have other issues as a country right now.

Speaking of simple, only thing that we know for sure that was "hacked" was a personal email account. The email leaks were not fabricated, nothing has been refuted. This whole "election hacking" is not very truthful. It was a personal email. If the Dems weren't playing dirty, and the emails proved this, no damage would have been done. I have no love for Trump, I think he's a buffoon. Something else I have said since the beginning. I have no love for Russia. Yet that has not stopped people from trying to claim it as true. I am pretty sure all I have said is the truth, and it is how I see it.

Jesus H. Christ... I agree with something Ackmed says.. what the hell is going on?!?!?!?!?
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
10,457
7,067
136
I know you were just looking for some clever comeback but all you you was reveal just how little you know about McCarthy and his actions.

Just put the troll on ignore. Not 1 sensible post in all his time in AT yet.
 
Reactions: SViscusi

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
10,457
7,067
136
Entertaining watching the Republican base deny the results of their own government's intelligence. This is the result of decades of US right-wing propaganda. Full denial and conspiracy thinking from the Republican base, which after decades of propaganda bombardment has become an extremist group. So partisan they have to deny reality rather than accept Trump was aided by Russia and some of them were influenced by Russia's efforts to vote for degenerate Trump.

Brainwashing.

It has worked all too well.
 
Feb 4, 2009
34,703
15,951
136
So for the lazy is the leaker an Obama Deep State plant or an Obama Relative or on Hillary's payroll? Also when should we expect the leaks to stop from the leakiest White house in recent times?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
Entertaining watching the Republican base deny the results of their own government's intelligence. This is the result of decades of US right-wing propaganda. Full denial and conspiracy thinking from the Republican base, which after decades of propaganda bombardment has become an extremist group. So partisan they have to deny reality rather than accept Trump was aided by Russia and some of them were influenced by Russia's efforts to vote for degenerate Trump.

They can't admit to being chumped by Trump & the Russians. It challenges everything they believe in about their own powers of discernment.

Not that they were using them anyway. They were too busy chanting Crooked Hillary! Lock her up! Build the Wall! Deport the illegals! Drain the swamp! Shake up Washington! MAGA!
 
Reactions: ch33zw1z

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
If you are going to take public action, that requires actual public proof. Not 'Flynn took $40k to go sit a Q&A where Putin was, ZOMG he's compromised by Russia nuke'em!!!', but real proof. And even if by some miracle someone actually turns up some real proof, what then? We're going to do....what to Russia? Influence their elections? Attack them (of course not Mil, but $....oh wait, we already did that)?

Or maybe we should come to our senses about who they supported & why. They're not trying to do us any favors.

OTOH, Trump was right when he said he could shoot somebody & it wouldn't make any difference.

It's a form of mass hypnosis.
 

Younigue

Diamond Member
Feb 5, 2017
5,888
1,446
106
If you are going to take public action, that requires actual public proof. Not 'Flynn took $40k to go sit a Q&A where Putin was, ZOMG he's compromised by Russia nuke'em!!!', but real proof. And even if by some miracle someone actually turns up some real proof, what then? We're going to do....what to Russia? Influence their elections? Attack them (of course not Mil, but $....oh wait, we already did that)?
Did you just say Bend Over America or Lube Up Your C*cholsters America (Don't Have One? No Worries, TrumpCare Covers That)?
 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
10,038
36
86
Did you just say Bend Over America or Lube Up Your C*cholsters America (Don't Have One? No Worries, TrumpCare Covers That)?

I'm sure you're making some kind of joke here but I'm really not getting it. I just asked Nickie, even if we can conclusively and clearly show, without wild tantrum Dem/Media jumps, that Russia did in fact make serious attempts to meddle in our election, much less show the Trump camp actively and deliberately conspired with Russia to do so, WTF are we going to do about it in respect to action against Russia?

We already know, Mil attack is out. Not happening.

So....what then? Sanctions? Stern words? Meddle in their "election"? Apart from the desire of the walking crooked Media who desperately wanted their Billary to win but was @SS F'd by Trump, and apart from the desire of the Dems to do OMG Russia! until even the party faithful can only muster a murmured 'Burn him', what is the goal here? I know there's a generic, What did Russia do?, but...so what? That should already be being worked on in private.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |