Feds: Obama Broke Law with Bergdahl Swap

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Ronstang

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Surprise surprise!! Of course he broke the law, he does so all the time. He doesn't like most laws in this country. Obama's only interest in Constitutional law is how to get around the law, not uphold it.
 

Matt1970

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Yeh, the Bergdahl situation was obviously worse than the Iranian hostage crisis, right?

It's been downhill ever since by your reckoning.

And it's funny that the Taliban weren't declared to be terrorists until after we invaded their country. Shee-it, Sherlock, the Bush Admin was negotiating an oil pipeline with them in July of 2001.

When it comes to Afghanistan & the tribal areas of Pakistan we have a choice- negotiation or genocide. Take your pick. It was the same for the British & the Russians & every other invader since Genghis Khan. He didn't even flinch at undertaking the latter.

As long as worse actions have been done in the past all Obama's transgressions are forgiven. No wonder so many people have you on ignore.
 

Jhhnn

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As long as worse actions have been done in the past all Obama's transgressions are forgiven. No wonder so many people have you on ignore.

Feel free.

The right wing argument here is that Bergdahl should still be in the hands of his captors because Obama didn't let Congress spoil the deal.

Cry me a fucking river.

We won't escape from the Neocon quagmire of Afghanistan w/o releasing all their prisoners & accepting the fact that the Taliban will have a say in the future of their country. Anything else is delusion.
 
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We won't escape from the Neocon quagmire of Afghanistan w/o releasing all their prisoners & accepting the fact that the Taliban will have a say in the future of their country. Anything else is delusion.

And you would like nothing better, I imagine.
The official liberal foreign policy, ladies and gents. Straight from the jackasses mouth.
 

schmuckley

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Lol! Please! Please! Bring this to a court! I dare you!

It's not like Obama didn't notify congress back in December about this situation and about the possibility that quick action would be required...nope I'm sure that never happened!

Oops he did:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/politics/bergdahl-swap-legality/?c=&page=0



Yes the president should have given them new notice but it wasn't like he gave them zero notice.

I can see the headline now!
Obama impeached for bringing POW releasing 5 terrorists in exchange for a deserter/traitor home!

That ought to raise congresses already super low ratings even higher!

Let's call it what it is;How about that?
He should be impeached for that.
He's also quietly let more go since.
 
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Matt1970

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Feel free.

The right wing argument here is that Bergdahl should still be in the hands of his captors because Obama didn't let Congress spoil the deal.

Cry me a fucking river.

We won't escape from the Neocon quagmire of Afghanistan w/o releasing all their prisoners & accepting the fact that the Taliban will have a say in the future of their country. Anything else is delusion.

Not my argument. My argument all along is that it is not within the scope of the duties of the executive branch to decide what is and isn't constitutional. If we don't like a law, we change it, we don't just go around doing whatever we feel just because we think it is right.
 

WHAMPOM

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Not my argument. My argument all along is that it is not within the scope of the duties of the executive branch to decide what is and isn't constitutional. If we don't like a law, we change it, we don't just go around doing whatever we feel just because we think it is right.

If only that had been your opinion during the Bush and Reagan years! Oh wait, are that old to have had one then?
 

fskimospy

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Not my argument. My argument all along is that it is not within the scope of the duties of the executive branch to decide what is and isn't constitutional. If we don't like a law, we change it, we don't just go around doing whatever we feel just because we think it is right.

Of course it is within the duties of the executive to decide what it thinks is and isn't constitutional. All three branches have to interpret the constitution.

If Congress passed a law (veto override!) that abolished the office of the president by your logic he would have to accept it. Sure the courts could overturn it, but who would even file that lawsuit? The presidency is gone after all as the president has no ability to interpret if that law is constitutional or not.
 

shira

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http://www.nationalreview.com/385979/feds-obama-broke-law-bergdahl-swap-joel-gehrke

I would agree that even though Obama thinks the law is unconstitutional, it was passed in accordance with our rules regarding lawmaking, and he broke it.

My prediction, however, is that not a damn thing becomes of this.
There IS something inherently defective about a law that requires 30 days advance notice even for urgent situations where something must be done NOW. I'm not saying the Bergdahl swap qualified as urgent, but there clearly will be situations that require immediate action, and the law prevents such action.
 

ivwshane

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Let's call it what it is;How about that?
He should be impeached for that.
He's also quietly let more go since.

No, that's what you call it. We don't leave soldiers behind, period. Unless of course you are unamerican and don't think we should be ruled by law?
 
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Matt1970

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Of course it is within the duties of the executive to decide what it thinks is and isn't constitutional. All three branches have to interpret the constitution.

If Congress passed a law (veto override!) that abolished the office of the president by your logic he would have to accept it. Sure the courts could overturn it, but who would even file that lawsuit? The presidency is gone after all as the president has no ability to interpret if that law is constitutional or not.

I surrender. We had this discussion in this tread non the less. Congratulations of re-writing the constitution. The new textbooks should be on their way to classrooms by years end.
 

fskimospy

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I surrender. We had this discussion in this tread non the less. Congratulations of re-writing the constitution. The new textbooks should be on their way to classrooms by years end.

What's funny is that you're the one trying to rewrite the constitution and you don't even realize it.
 

schmuckley

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No, that's what you call it. We don't leave soldiers behind, period. Unless of course you are unamerican and don't think we should be ruled by law?

That soldier deserted,furthermore He was teaching the terrorists how to be more accurate with IEDs.
To trade 5 terrorist leaders..or just let them go in the first place is bad.
To trade them for someone like Bergdahl is impeachable.
It shows reckless disregard for the safety of the American people.
 

ivwshane

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That soldier deserted,furthermore He was teaching the terrorists how to be more accurate with IEDs.
To trade 5 terrorist leaders..or just let them go in the first place is bad.
To trade them for someone like Bergdahl is impeachable.
It shows reckless disregard for the safety of the American people.

Lol, so you are going with 'fuck the law'. Not surprising.
 

Thebobo

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That soldier deserted,furthermore He was teaching the terrorists how to be more accurate with IEDs.
To trade 5 terrorist leaders..or just let them go in the first place is bad.
To trade them for someone like Bergdahl is impeachable.
It shows reckless disregard for the safety of the American people.

And he will get his day in court. But not knowing you cant just let an american soldier rot away or possibly be executed. Thats unacceptable imo.

Would you of welcomed him back with a little more acceptance of the method if he had been %100 abducted?

What would of you done?

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Jhhnn

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Not my argument. My argument all along is that it is not within the scope of the duties of the executive branch to decide what is and isn't constitutional. If we don't like a law, we change it, we don't just go around doing whatever we feel just because we think it is right.

Reduced to mewling over the roadblock technicalities of bringing home the only American soldier held captive in Afghanistan.

That really doesn't look good on anybody. It reveals just how blind, bitter & hateful Repub partisanship really is.

It's really quite shameful how this country was so easily led to war in the wake of 9/11 & how easily we we led to believe that Neocons offered a viable vision for our role in the world. It's utterly remarkable that some fools still believe, still keep the Faith.

It's Christmas Eve. Look in your heart to see if you can find something other than vituperative bile.
 

Angry Irishman

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Reduced to mewling over the roadblock technicalities of bringing home the only American soldier held captive in Afghanistan.

That really doesn't look good on anybody. It reveals just how blind, bitter & hateful Repub partisanship really is.

It's really quite shameful how this country was so easily led to war in the wake of 9/11 & how easily we we led to believe that Neocons offered a viable vision for our role in the world. It's utterly remarkable that some fools still believe, still keep the Faith.

It's Christmas Eve. Look in your heart to see if you can find something other than vituperative bile.

You are apparently BLINDED by partisanship....read your own post. Dude, I hope you don't stay up at night over this shit, it's not healthy. Merry Christmas.
 

Angry Irishman

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Trying a soldier for desertion, or treason as some have alluded to.

For him itself punishable under the UCMJ....military justice. Last hear the potential of him going to court martial is with an army four star general. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't go to trial but we'll see. These are crazy times.
 

Matt1970

Lifer
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You are apparently BLINDED by partisanship....read your own post. Dude, I hope you don't stay up at night over this shit, it's not healthy. Merry Christmas.

No he won't. He will sleep a good sleep, dream of a better life under communism and wake up to give his wife and kids all the massive amount presents the capitalist system has afforded him to have. He knows deep down inside that if all things were equal he would have a lesser share of the pie, but at least it will be the same size as those evil bastards around the corner that have a bigger house.
 

Jhhnn

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You are apparently BLINDED by partisanship....read your own post. Dude, I hope you don't stay up at night over this shit, it's not healthy. Merry Christmas.

I'd support the decision of *any* President who'd do the same thing, regardless of Party.

All American soldiers deserve that, particularly any held for years under primitive conditions & perilous circumstances. If the CinC agrees to an exchange that brings such Americans home, I'm not arrogant enough to second guess it or entertain fools who do.

I'm also smart enough to see who is and why. I see it as shamelessly partisan & astoundingly chickenshit. I salute the few conservatives of conscience who haven't joined this scurrilous attack.

That's my position.

And yours is what, exactly?
 

Jhhnn

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No he won't. He will sleep a good sleep, dream of a better life under communism and wake up to give his wife and kids all the massive amount presents the capitalist system has afforded him to have. He knows deep down inside that if all things were equal he would have a lesser share of the pie, but at least it will be the same size as those evil bastards around the corner that have a bigger house.

It's sad that you have to resort to such characterizations to maintain your self image, apparently very different from the image you project.

Like I said, take a look in your own heart. Don't be afraid to take a good hard look at what you believe, at your values. You'll be a better person for it.
 
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