Actually my argument was that they weren't doing their job because someone made them feel sad about police racism. I even said it in the post you quoted. You're the one that made it into a discussion about what a job is or isn't when we should be instead focusing on the racism endemic to police, which is the actual issue.
I thought we established that this was NOT their day job, but a side job they opted not to take. You keep changing from they are not doing their job to, its the reason they opted not to take a SIDE job that has NOTHING to do with their day job. Pick a side and stick with it. If its their JOB, then the reason why they are not doing it is irrelevant, if its not their job then why they opted not to do it is equally irrelevant. Honestly I will not think less of you you if you just admit your wrong.
Wrong! It's a volunteer position and NOT part of their job. Its done after hours and paid for by the teams. How if at all does that change your position on this? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it does not change.
Real merica White people: "Black People should protest peacefully"
**Black person peacefully sits down during the national anthem**
Real merica White people: "No, not like that"
What such folks probably really mean is, "Don't protest at all."
It would be interesting to see how some conservatives would react if someone said "I will no longer stand for the national anthem because same-sex marriage is legal;" would they be on the receiving end of a firestorm of vitriol?
Let me say I hate unions for this very reason. They limit what normally should be commonsense. But I really do enjoy when the very rules that they use to protect themselves from outside competition screws them. The nfl union should not permit outside officers if the local police forces union does not permit it. NOW if there was not a union, hell no I would not have an issue with it, why would I? Your question is a union one.What if the Santa Clara police department couldn't get the regular number of volunteers but still prevented the Niners from hiring officers from other departments? Would that change your position?
Happy Labor Day.Let me say I hate unions
By your logic, we all should rightfully be protesting the NFL and the thugs in their organization. And what coincidental timing, one of the thug 49ers just beat the crap out of an elderly man:Unions are mixed bags. They're a major reason why you're working 8-hour days (normally, anyway) instead of 12. and why your kids aren't working in factories. However, they're sometimes used as a billy club to drive bad agendas. In this case, the Santa Clara police union is trying to bully the 49ers into silencing criticism. Why, surely Kaepernick is mistaken! American police officers never shoot unarmed black people in the back, strangle them to death or conduct out-of-the-blue searches based solely on skin color. Every time white police officers meet black people, they offer a cup of tea and share a heartfelt chat.
To be fair: the Santa Clara police chief is against the boycott and is promising safety at 49ers games. And I suspect some rank-and-file officers wouldn't participate anyway. It's that unions can easily be hijacked by defensive attitudes, this notion that any attack (no matter how justified) is an attack on the entire institution.
By your logic, we all should rightfully be protesting the NFL and the thugs in their organization. And what coincidental timing, one of the thug 49ers just beat the crap out of an elderly man:
http://abc7news.com/sports/49ers-fullback-bruce-miller-arrested-sfpd-confirms/1499058/
We need all NFL players to be humble and admit they have problems in their ranks before daring to criticize anyone else, or expect respect from fans.
By your logic, we all should rightfully be protesting the NFL and the thugs in their organization. And what coincidental timing, one of the thug 49ers just beat the crap out of an elderly man:
http://abc7news.com/sports/49ers-fullback-bruce-miller-arrested-sfpd-confirms/1499058/
We need all NFL players to be humble and admit they have problems in their ranks before daring to criticize anyone else, or expect respect from fans.
So.... their dorm rooms/houses/apartments?
Interesting. I'm not sure how to balance that concept with the idea that public spaces should be open to everyone and the concept of people protesting others telling them they don't belong in a space by telling those others that *they* don't belong in a space.No. There's the reality that socially aggrieved people sometimes don't express themselves openly because of undue judgement, thus the notion of a space devoid of such judgement.
However that notion's ironically taken ahold more so for racist screeds which are in all fairness pretty socially stigmatized.
Interesting. I'm not sure how to balance that concept with the idea that public spaces should be open to everyone and the concept of people protesting others telling them they don't belong in a space by telling those others that *they* don't belong in a space.
It's one of those things I'll have to ponder.It's arguable that public interest is served if more people feel safe about self-expression; arguably even for racists or whatnot, funny as that might be.
So we spent the last 50 years telling people that they can not have single race or sex clubs and now we are telling those same people that they have to deal with people having single race or sex clubs. Seams like a wasted 50 years.It's arguable that public interest is served if more people feel safe about self-expression; arguably even for racists or whatnot, funny as that might be.
So we spent the last 50 years telling people that they can not have single race or sex clubs and now we are telling those same people that they have to deal with people having single race or sex clubs. Seams like a wasted 50 years.
The motivations differ, and any case this claim is historically wrong. There were for example black colleges or various women's groups, which your peers are similarly creating revisionism to claim are racist or whatever.
So its OK if the segregated group is the one doing the segregating.
You should start by figuring out why the black colleges weren't the racist ones, easy as that might be to believe for some.
So we spent the last 50 years telling people that they can not have single race or sex clubs and now we are telling those same people that they have to deal with people having single race or sex clubs. Seams like a wasted 50 years.
Reading this thread makes me fear for our democracy.