Fibonacci sequence in Tool's Lateralus

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: daveymark
link to somethingawful article in 13... 8... 5... 3...2... 1... 1...

FTFY

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Another little "easter egg" on the Lateralus CD is in the song "Ticks and Leeches."

In the middle of that song there is a prolonged break, where the guitar strums a quiet little chord progression and is slowly joined by the bass and drums, both in a quiet fashion before they stop and hesitate for an explosive hit into the finale of the song.

The pause before the first beat of that outro ends precisely at 5:55 on the CD, and the first beat of the outro lands on 5:56 -- certainly not a coincidence.

Wait, what? So the pause is 1 second. So?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Another little "easter egg" on the Lateralus CD is in the song "Ticks and Leeches."

In the middle of that song there is a prolonged break, where the guitar strums a quiet little chord progression and is slowly joined by the bass and drums, both in a quiet fashion before they stop and hesitate for an explosive hit into the finale of the song.

The pause before the first beat of that outro ends precisely at 5:55 on the CD, and the first beat of the outro lands on 5:56 -- certainly not a coincidence.

Wait, what? So the pause is 1 second. So?

Wooooooosh

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Another little "easter egg" on the Lateralus CD is in the song "Ticks and Leeches."

In the middle of that song there is a prolonged break, where the guitar strums a quiet little chord progression and is slowly joined by the bass and drums, both in a quiet fashion before they stop and hesitate for an explosive hit into the finale of the song.

The pause before the first beat of that outro ends precisely at 5:55 on the CD, and the first beat of the outro lands on 5:56 -- certainly not a coincidence.

Wait, what? So the pause is 1 second. So?

No, actually the pause is 2 or 2.5 seconds. The cool part is that it terminates precisely at 5:55. That's exactly the kinda shit Tool would do.

EDIT: Consider that in light of the fact that The Grudge is predominately in a 5/8 meter, The Patient is predominately in a 5/4 meter, and even in the song Lateralus from the OP, the verses are in a 5/4 meter as well (the parts where the lyrics form the Fib sequence).

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Another little "easter egg" on the Lateralus CD is in the song "Ticks and Leeches."

In the middle of that song there is a prolonged break, where the guitar strums a quiet little chord progression and is slowly joined by the bass and drums, both in a quiet fashion before they stop and hesitate for an explosive hit into the finale of the song.

The pause before the first beat of that outro ends precisely at 5:55 on the CD, and the first beat of the outro lands on 5:56 -- certainly not a coincidence.

Wait, what? So the pause is 1 second. So?

No, actually the pause is 2 or 2.5 seconds. The cool part is that it terminates precisely at 5:55. That's exactly the kinda shit Tool would do.

I must be stupid, I don't understand the significance of the number 5:55 (355 seconds).

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Another little "easter egg" on the Lateralus CD is in the song "Ticks and Leeches."

In the middle of that song there is a prolonged break, where the guitar strums a quiet little chord progression and is slowly joined by the bass and drums, both in a quiet fashion before they stop and hesitate for an explosive hit into the finale of the song.

The pause before the first beat of that outro ends precisely at 5:55 on the CD, and the first beat of the outro lands on 5:56 -- certainly not a coincidence.

Wait, what? So the pause is 1 second. So?

No, actually the pause is 2 or 2.5 seconds. The cool part is that it terminates precisely at 5:55. That's exactly the kinda shit Tool would do.

I must be stupid, I don't understand the significance of the number 5:55 (355 seconds).

See my edit above. There isn't a great deal of mathematical significance to it. Simply that Tool likes to use 5's (and 3's and 7's -- generally eccentric meters) in a majority of the songs on the album.

EDIT: For what it's worth, "Vicarious," the first track on 10,000 days is also in a 5/8 meter, as well as a number of parts in "Rosetta Stoned."

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Another little "easter egg" on the Lateralus CD is in the song "Ticks and Leeches."

In the middle of that song there is a prolonged break, where the guitar strums a quiet little chord progression and is slowly joined by the bass and drums, both in a quiet fashion before they stop and hesitate for an explosive hit into the finale of the song.

The pause before the first beat of that outro ends precisely at 5:55 on the CD, and the first beat of the outro lands on 5:56 -- certainly not a coincidence.

Wait, what? So the pause is 1 second. So?

No, actually the pause is 2 or 2.5 seconds. The cool part is that it terminates precisely at 5:55. That's exactly the kinda shit Tool would do.

I must be stupid, I don't understand the significance of the number 5:55 (355 seconds).

See my edit above. There isn't a great deal of mathematical significance to it. Simply that Tool likes to use 5's (and 3's and 7's -- generally eccentric meters) in a majority of the songs on the album.

EDIT: For what it's worth, "Vicarious," the first track on 10,000 days is also in a 5/8 meter, as well as a number of parts in "Rosetta Stoned."

That alone is indeed not necessarily significant. It just adds to the epicness that is Tool, and specifically Lateralus. One of my most favorite songs, and actually digging into this song deeper has given me more reasons to enjoy it. Whether it was intended or not (highly doubt it was merely coincidence, considering the lyrical nature and beats), it's just awesome.
But their use of odd meters is also just more or less normal for progressive rock. They make it sound so fluid too. Sometimes progressive just sounds chaotic, but Tool tends to make everything so fluid.

Gonna have to give the album a listen in that song order though. Should be interesting.

Oh, and Rosetta Stoned is also a kickass song.

 

[ucdbiendog]

pretty damn awesome.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Ns1
The song was originally called 9,8,7

It is also the sickest song ever created. Ever. EVER.

I don't think that guy understands what a fibonacci sequence is. He keeps showing numbers that have nothing to do with anything. Like how is 9 8 7 a fibonacci sequence???

The time signatures of the chorus change from 9/8 to 8/8 to 7/8; as drummer Danny Carey says, "It was originally titled 9-8-7. For the time signatures. Then it turned out that 987 was the 17th step of the Fibonacci sequence. So that was cool."[3] The number 987 is actually the 16 step in the Fibonacci Sequence.

 

[BW86]

sick - i love that song

 

[magomago]

so if tool actually appeared 2000 years ago, would we say this pattern is a mark of the divinity of the message they spread, much like how people do "bible codex" and other Quran numeric analysis?

This is just proof that all of that stuff is rubbish~

good song though, although I'm not buying it because it isn't consistent enough


who knows, maybe in 800 years we'll be talking about the heavenly messages the saints of tool gave us XD

 

[Baked]

We're not worthy.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Just one more reason why Tool is the best band ever...

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: magomago
so if tool actually appeared 2000 years ago, would we say this pattern is a mark of the divinity of the message they spread, much like how people do "bible codex" and other Quran numeric analysis?

This is just proof that all of that stuff is rubbish~

good song though, although I'm not buying it because it isn't consistent enough


who knows, maybe in 800 years we'll be talking about the heavenly messages the saints of tool gave us XD

Yep, bible and quran are rubbish, but made out to be message of the divine. The message of Tool is "think for yourself", I don't see any harm in that. But maybe there's no message, just pretty good music.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: magomago

good song though, although I'm not buying it because it isn't consistent enough

You're not buying what? You don't think that the Fibonacci pattern is by design of the band?

You don't know Tool very well, if that's the case.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: magomago

good song though, although I'm not buying it because it isn't consistent enough

You're not buying what? You don't think that the Fibonacci pattern is by design of the band?

You don't know Tool very well, if that's the case.

the math really isn't that big of a deal. Dream Theater, and many other bands do the same things... All it takes is some math knowledge to get the ideas.

Really, someone just says, hey lets take this pattern, and make a beat out of it.. then write a song around it. No superhuman qualities here.

Granted, I love Tool. I've driven hours and hours to see them in concernt. I saw the 10,000 days show 5 times.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: magomago

good song though, although I'm not buying it because it isn't consistent enough

You're not buying what? You don't think that the Fibonacci pattern is by design of the band?

You don't know Tool very well, if that's the case.

the math really isn't that big of a deal. Dream Theater, and many other bands do the same things... All it takes is some math knowledge to get the ideas.

Really, someone just says, hey lets take this pattern, and make a beat out of it.. then write a song around it. No superhuman qualities here.

Granted, I love Tool. I've driven hours and hours to see them in concernt. I saw the 10,000 days show 5 times.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not claiming that these patterns are indicative of some kind of transcendent sigificance. I realize how these patterns come to be. I've written music on the same kinds of premises. It isn't really difficult when you set your mind to it.

I'm just surprised when someone says they "don't buy it" becuase "it isn't consistent enough" -- as though we are trying to argue that these patterns are some kind of spiritual fingerprints, and that in reality they are coincidental and not designed intentionally by the artists.