Fidelity: Fired For Fantasy Football - Fair?

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Apparently Fidelity Investments fired four people for participating in fantasy football leagues. It wasn't that they were spending all their time at work necessarily on it, but that any communication on their network even about fantasy football was construed as gambling. Do you think it's fair? Article below.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1825336.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav

Cameron Pettigrew called himself the "Fidelity Man."
Working as a relationship manager in the private client group at Fidelity Investments’ Westlake office, Pettigrew says he looked forward to work every day. He even remembers telling co-workers and friends that he planned to retire someday from Fidelity, the country’s biggest mutual fund sponsor and one of the world’s largest providers of financial services.
But that isn’t going to happen. Pettigrew and three other Fidelity employees were fired for playing fantasy football.

"Firing a guy for being in a $20 fantasy league? Let’s be honest; that’s a complete overreaction," said Pettigrew, who lives in Grapevine and has an MBA from the University of Texas at Arlington. "In this economic time, especially. To fire people over something like this, it’s just cold."

Said Fidelity spokesman Vin Loporchio: "We have clear policies that relate to gambling. Participation in any form of gambling through the use of Fidelity time or equipment or any other company resource is prohibited. In addition to being illegal in a lot of places, it can also be disruptive. We want our employees to be focused on our customers and clients."

Pettigrew, who was the commissioner of his league, knew Fidelity had a policy against playing fantasy football at the office. But he said the policy was poorly communicated and ignored by leadership. Pettigrew said there were at least 10 fantasy leagues in which leaders and managers played.

Still, on Oct. 20, Fidelity officials investigated the matter after they intercepted e-mails exchanged in a different office league. After questioning the commissioner of that league, they discovered Pettigrew also ran an office league. Four league commissioners lost their jobs at Fidelity.

Pettigrew, though, said he never sent any fantasy football e-mails at work or using his work e-mail address. But the investigators found two instant messages that had fantasy-football-related material.

"One of my buddies sent me something about how bad Trent Edwards was playing or something like that," Pettigrew said. "So they called me in and talked to me for about 90 minutes on everything I ever knew about fantasy football. They interrogated me as though I was some sort of international gambling kingpin. Then they released me for the day, and I was like, 'OK.’ I never thought they’d fire me for this, but, the next day, I get the call saying I had been terminated."

Pettigrew, who says he never had a warning in his 2  1/2 years at the company, said he would have understood a warning or a dock in pay. He says he also missed out on thousands of dollars because his 401(k) retirement plan was not vested. An employer’s contributions to a 401(k) don’t belong to the employee until a federally mandated period of service is fulfilled.

"It’s just hard because Fidelity was such a good company to work for," said Pettigrew, who added that three weeks before he was fired he was offered a position with Fidelity in New York City but turned it down because of the area’s high cost of living."
 
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While it does seem like a bit of an overreaction, if there were known policies in place expressly forbidding gambling of any kind, then they they broke the rules and are SOL. When in doubt, ask a manager or something before going ahead and discussing that sort of thing.

I'm in 3 different fantasy leagues with my boss, so I know I'm good. ()

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Seems... excessive. Yeah he apparently broke the rules, but there are other punishment options.
 

SirStev0

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If the policy says no gambling, then there is no gambling. No pools, no lottery tickets, no raffles, no fantasy football. Not that hard.
 

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While I don't agree with firing them over it, it is against the policy and if you do not uphold it for this then another employee would have a basis to fight being fired for regular gambling in the workplace. If they aren't consistent with enforcing the rules then the law says they might as well not exist.
 

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1. Fidelity never enforced the policy.
2. Is FF really gambling? It's not really a game of chance since people trade players and play certain players each week, so I imagine there is some skill involved.
 

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I used to work for a stock trading company and the compliance dept there were ball busters about fantasy sports too. People under the eye of the SEC don't f around with stuff like that.
 

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They were dicussing the fantasy value of Trent Edwards?!?! Sounds more like the company wanted to downsize themselves out of a few retards...
 

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1. Fidelity never enforced the policy.
2. Is FF really gambling? It's not really a game of chance since people trade players and play certain players each week, so I imagine there is some skill involved.

Yes of course it is gambling. Skill and luck are involved, same with many other forms of gambling (Poker, Blackjack, etc.).

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I didn't read the story, but there may have been other infractions that led up to the FF and the firing.

However, rules are rules. Abide or GTFO.
 
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If the policy says no gambling, then there is no gambling. No pools, no lottery tickets, no raffles, no fantasy football. Not that hard.

Well, it says no gambling using company resources. If he was doing it outside of work and never at work, they can't complain. The one instant message they found of that particular man shouldn't have been damning, especially if he wasn't the initiator of the conversation.
 

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um, for all you jumping on the idiot got what he deserved, what evidence is there against him other than a third party sending him unsolicited IMs?
 

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Well, it says no gambling using company resources. If he was doing it outside of work and never at work, they can't complain. The one instant message they found of that particular man shouldn't have been damning, especially if he wasn't the initiator of the conversation.

yea if this is part is true and it was only 2 instant messages etc then it really shouldn't be an issue as it wasn't really affecting his work at all. Can't see how playing at home would have done anything to the company. Or they could have given him a warning or something but damn that sucks.
 

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I would expect a warning, as in reality I don't think many people think of it as gambling. Seems like a pretty big overreaction as it probably wasn't something they thought was wrong.
 

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Textbook case of malicious obedience. That is the kind of thing that will destroy employee morale and in the end will do the company far more harm than good. 2 IMs with Fantasy football references is far to weak to be terminating people.
 

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um, for all you jumping on the idiot got what he deserved, what evidence is there against him other than a third party sending him unsolicited IMs?

They questioned the guy and he probably was honest about it because he didn't think it was a big deal.
 

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All the story said is that he never used company email to organize or communicate. But it didn't say that they didn't have a couple hundred hits a week to sports.yahoo.com\fantasy or similar from IP's associated with his login either.
 

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For those saying that Fantasy Football is against the law:

US Law came out and said that Fantasy Football is not gambling in the case of Humphery v. Viacom(2007). If they said that they were fired for being unproductive in the work place, I'd have no beef. But because the PR talked about gambling, it's not really legit. , "We have clear policies that relate to gambling. Participation in any form of gambling through the use of Fidelity time or equipment or any other company resource is prohibited. In addition to being illegal in a lot of places, it can also be disruptive."
 

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For those saying that Fantasy Football is against the law:

US Law came out and said that Fantasy Football is not gambling in the case of Humphery v. Viacom(2007). If they said that they were fired for being unproductive in the work place, I'd have no beef. But because the PR talked about gambling, it's not really legit. , "We have clear policies that relate to gambling. Participation in any form of gambling through the use of Fidelity time or equipment or any other company resource is prohibited. In addition to being illegal in a lot of places, it can also be disruptive."

That's the main thing I see as wrong with the firings. Obviously if they are using company time and resources dedicated to fantasy football, the company should have the right to fire them. But all they did was receive messages (might have even been during their lunch hour, who knows) and I doubt that it was made clear to them that fantasy football = gambling.

I find it funny that an investment firm takes such a negative view of fantasy games.

EDIT: After re-reading the article, it looks like Pettigrew knew it was against policy, but it wasn't enforced until now. Still, seems excessive considering it was just a friendly office league and wasn't managed at work. They should have given him a warning first, at least, instead of outright firing him. It sounds like Fidelity was just looking for an excuse to let some people go.
 
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For those saying that Fantasy Football is against the law:

US Law came out and said that Fantasy Football is not gambling in the case of Humphery v. Viacom(2007). If they said that they were fired for being unproductive in the work place, I'd have no beef. But because the PR talked about gambling, it's not really legit. , "We have clear policies that relate to gambling. Participation in any form of gambling through the use of Fidelity time or equipment or any other company resource is prohibited. In addition to being illegal in a lot of places, it can also be disruptive."

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KeithTalent

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For those saying that Fantasy Football is against the law:

US Law came out and said that Fantasy Football is not gambling in the case of Humphery v. Viacom(2007). If they said that they were fired for being unproductive in the work place, I'd have no beef. But because the PR talked about gambling, it's not really legit. , "We have clear policies that relate to gambling. Participation in any form of gambling through the use of Fidelity time or equipment or any other company resource is prohibited. In addition to being illegal in a lot of places, it can also be disruptive."

I fail to see how it cannot be considered gambling, though I guess because state lotteries are allowed everywhere, they can bend the definition however they like to suit their needs. Not saying I totally agree with the guy being fired, but fantasy games are most certainly gambling by looking at the definition of the word.

Also, I do not think anyone here said fantasy Football was against the law.

KT
 

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I didn't read the story, but there may have been other infractions that led up to the FF and the firing.

However, rules are rules. Abide or GTFO.

Exactly. If those pesky Jews had just followed the rule of their chancellor, they would have been fine and dandy.
 

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HAHAHAHAHA, so the nerds that got picked on in high school (the guys in charge at Fidelity now) by the jocks in high school (the guys playing fantasy football now) got their revenge. LOL to the stupid jocks they were just making fun of some nerd for even mentioning THAC0 or D20, to the nerds it was just another log on the fire. Dickwads got what they deserved. Why is it that I have to sit and listen to a bunch of fatasses talk about how some guy had a great catch and all sorts of other shit, but god forbid I have to interrupt their fucking conversation to ask something work related.
 
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