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I'd be extremely surprised if this game makes it out with the combat system it has. 5 minute summon animations? No way would it work for a AAA game these days. It won't be real time, but it will have more flare to it, you can be sure.

A simple graphics update is not what this game needs. It needs to be completely overhauled and reimagined. Otherwise its not worth the effort.

Then the hardcore fans will boo this game.

I feel like whatever they do, they won't make everyone happy.
 

Lil Frier

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So, they're really just pooping out something and using nostalgia and brand name to rake in the money?

I mean, it's and Final Fantasy, what else is there to expect?
 

Sulaco

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Arguably the most overrated game of all time.

Well, except it's really not, considering it's also one of the most divisive, and for any one person praising it, there is at least one person posting essentially what you just did "Wah, it's overhyped!"
If a sizable chunk of people declare loudly something is overrated, then it's really not...since the community doing the "rating" is clearly not all on board.

Garbage like FF9 is far more overrated, since there are far fewer people (anecdotally) who will call the game out for the steaming pile it was.



FF7 clearly has nothing on the SNES behemoths, but it's also easily one of if not THE best "3D era" FFs, easily besting its PSX contemporaries, and the last two "main" entries in the series (FF12 and FF13 and their respective spin-offs). That much is almost inarguable.
 

xantub

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Well, except it's really not, considering it's also one of the most divisive, and for any one person praising it, there is at least one person posting essentially what you just did "Wah, it's overhyped!"
If a sizable chunk of people declare loudly something is overrated, then it's really not...since the community doing the "rating" is clearly not all on board.

Garbage like FF9 is far more overrated, since there are far fewer people (anecdotally) who will call the game out for the steaming pile it was.



FF7 clearly has nothing on the SNES behemoths, but it's also easily one of if not THE best "3D era" FFs, easily besting its PSX contemporaries, and the last two "main" entries in the series (FF12 and FF13 and their respective spin-offs). That much is almost inarguable.
You must have mistyped there. FF9? My 2nd favorite FF (after FF10)? FF7 would be my 3rd favorite FF. I never played FF1-6 or 8 so if they're better, I wouldn't know.
 

ikachu

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Engadget posted an interview with Testuya Nomura which gives away a little more about their plans.

I do agree that FF7 is not the best Final Fantasy game, and some people overrate it, but I don't get the hate either. I have a fond memories of coming home after school and playing it for a couple hours a day before my parents kicked me off the TV to do homework. I'm cautiously optimistic about the remake, and I'm looking forward to playing the game again.
 

Imported

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Engadget posted an interview with Testuya Nomura which gives away a little more about their plans.

I do agree that FF7 is not the best Final Fantasy game, and some people overrate it, but I don't get the hate either. I have a fond memories of coming home after school and playing it for a couple hours a day before my parents kicked me off the TV to do homework. I'm cautiously optimistic about the remake, and I'm looking forward to playing the game again.

Same here. Now I gotta hope for a Xenogears remake..
 

Aikouka

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I don't want to change it that much. But we can't have these upgraded, beautiful 3D models of Cloud and Barrett, still lining up in a row, jumping forward to attack an enemy, then jumping back to wait for their next turn. That would be bizarre.

Removing the ATB from the game is definitely not what I want to see, and honestly, I think if they do go that route, it would be a huge deterrent for me when it comes to considering whether to buy the game or not. The article linked in a post above definitely outlines that this is not a "HD re-release" like we've been seeing in the past. Square-Enix plans on making changes to the game, and this makes me wonder... is this really what the fans want? Does Square-Enix still not understand what we want to see? They've been good about adjusting Final Fantasy XV based upon player feedback (they've already released Episode Duscae 2.0 earlier this month), so this seems like a potential step back.
 

ikachu

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Removing the ATB from the game is definitely not what I want to see, and honestly, I think if they do go that route, it would be a huge deterrent for me when it comes to considering whether to buy the game or not. The article linked in a post above definitely outlines that this is not a "HD re-release" like we've been seeing in the past. Square-Enix plans on making changes to the game, and this makes me wonder... is this really what the fans want? Does Square-Enix still not understand what we want to see? They've been good about adjusting Final Fantasy XV based upon player feedback (they've already released Episode Duscae 2.0 earlier this month), so this seems like a potential step back.

I am hoping he was just speaking about the graphical side of things, like using cinematic camera angles and such, and not that they are changing the underlying systems too much. But, I guess we will find out in winter when they start releasing more details...
 

Aikouka

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I am hoping he was just speaking about the graphical side of things, like using cinematic camera angles and such, and not that they are changing the underlying systems too much. But, I guess we will find out in winter when they start releasing more details...

That's a good point, and I'd certainly have no issue with that. Although, they do kind of do that in Final Fantasy VII whenever you cast. I think it's just summons though? It's been so long since I've last played the game that I can't remember, but I do remember how the camera would shift to being in front of the caster.
 

shortylickens

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Didn't they also say it was going to be on PS4 "first?"

I wonder if that indicates a PC release, or possibly Xbox One as well.

thats the rumor. You can buy several windows versions of the older games right now. Many on Steam.
 

JXDNOVA1

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Probably. But I will be picking up a PS4 and the game when it comes out. Now I need a Xenogears remake and my life will be complete.

Yes I am with you there on XENOGEARS. It would be great if they remake and complete XENOGEARS. That was my all time favorite alongside FF7.
 

npaladin-2000

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I wouldn't mind seeing a modernization of the game, but that's not the same as changing it. FF7 is probably my favorite out of the series, followed by 4, 13, and 6. I liked the cyberpunk/sci-fi/pseudo-anime aspects of 7 and 13 though, the whole knights and swords thing was getting a touch tired by 7.

13's battle system brings an interesting new strategic aspect to the series, but I don't think it can easily be applied to 7 without gutting the whole Materia system, which is pretty integral to the plot of the game.
 

jpiniero

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Given the (ahem very dead) state of console gaming in Japan, an XBone version is going to be needed.
 

ImpulsE69

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Yes I am with you there on XENOGEARS. It would be great if they remake and complete XENOGEARS. That was my all time favorite alongside FF7.

It will never happen. Xenosagas and X (coming out) are as close as you are going to get.
 

cmdrdredd

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It will never happen. Xenosagas and X (coming out) are as close as you are going to get.

Is it because the people who worked on and created Xenogears are now working for different companies? I know it'll never happen but are you saying that because it just won't or do you know an actual reason it can't that I am not thinking of?
 

cyclohexane

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Well, except it's really not, considering it's also one of the most divisive, and for any one person praising it, there is at least one person posting essentially what you just did "Wah, it's overhyped!"
If a sizable chunk of people declare loudly something is overrated, then it's really not...since the community doing the "rating" is clearly not all on board.

Garbage like FF9 is far more overrated, since there are far fewer people (anecdotally) who will call the game out for the steaming pile it was.



FF7 clearly has nothing on the SNES behemoths, but it's also easily one of if not THE best "3D era" FFs, easily besting its PSX contemporaries, and the last two "main" entries in the series (FF12 and FF13 and their respective spin-offs). That much is almost inarguable.

I disagree. FF9 is one of the best final fantasies of all time. Terrific characters, music, and side quests. Plus the whole exiled princess + political intrigue story is much better than FF7's mercenary storyline.
 

ImpulsE69

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Is it because the people who worked on and created Xenogears are now working for different companies? I know it'll never happen but are you saying that because it just won't or do you know an actual reason it can't that I am not thinking of?

Short answer to your question is it is just my opinion.

Long answer is: Square owns the rights, but the person/team who created it is the one who did Xenosaga series and Xenoblade Chronicles and X. Xenosaga WAS the re-imagining of what they wanted to accomplish with Xenogears.

FFVII sold around 10 million copies (8-9 million during PSX time) VS Xenogears only selling just over 1 million. While Xenogears has a devout cult following, one would question if it would have any success now and even sell nearly that much.

Since they could not actually fully finish the game the first time around, it is highly unlikely they would do a remake of it even if they pulled a Disc 2 again.

One could say that if FF7 remake prints them money, they would look at doing another game, but I really doubt Xenogears would make the list.

Mathematically it just wouldn't make sense in today's game climate.
 

Subyman

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So, they're really just pooping out something and using nostalgia and brand name to rake in the money?

I mean, it's and Final Fantasy, what else is there to expect?

Highly doubtful that it will be "pooped" out. They've been "pooping" out the PC version of FF7 for years. This will be a big budget game as Yoshinori Kitase has been heard saying that FF7 needed to make it a proper remake.

The nostalgia timing is perfect. Everyone who was young at the time in now in their late 20s/early 30's. They likely have children that they can introduce to the brand as well. Ideal timing on that angle.
 

Subyman

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Removing the ATB from the game is definitely not what I want to see, and honestly, I think if they do go that route, it would be a huge deterrent for me when it comes to considering whether to buy the game or not. The article linked in a post above definitely outlines that this is not a "HD re-release" like we've been seeing in the past. Square-Enix plans on making changes to the game, and this makes me wonder... is this really what the fans want? Does Square-Enix still not understand what we want to see? They've been good about adjusting Final Fantasy XV based upon player feedback (they've already released Episode Duscae 2.0 earlier this month), so this seems like a potential step back.

That goes back to what I posted earlier. There is no way they can drag and drop the old combat system into a AAA game in 201X and hope it will sell to anyone other than FF7's biggest fans. They need to take the "essence" of FF7's combat (like materia, summons, and limit breaks) and find a new way to package it. I'm a big fan of FF7 and I'd be completely fine with a new combat system. If I wanted to play the same combat system again then I'd fire up FF7 right now.

They will step back into the FF7 world with the FF7 characters and the FF7 plight, but I don't expect them to do the exact same game with new graphics. I think that is not what this needs to be. IMO, hardcore fans that want the exact game are going to be hugely disappointed.
 

ImpulsE69

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Hard to say. Tales games combat is almost unchanged since the beginning and they seem to be doing just fine - however their combat is action based.....I suppose if they took FF7 and make it action based (but on timers like Xenoblade Chronicles) it could work. That is essentially the same thing as ATB, it just looks more action based than turn based.

Actually now that I think about it, Tales games are essentially the same thing as well. They all have cooldowns, they just seem more 'involved' because it isn't explicitly laid out as turn based.
 
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Subyman

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Hard to say. Tales games combat is almost unchanged since the beginning and they seem to be doing just fine - however their combat is action based.....I suppose if they took FF7 and make it action based (but on timers like Xenoblade Chronicles) it could work. That is essentially the same thing as ATB, it just looks more action based than turn based.

Actually now that I think about it, Tales games are essentially the same thing as well. They all have cooldowns, they just seem more 'involved' because it isn't explicitly laid out as turn based.

My opinion is that this game needs to transcend the JRPG category to justify its production costs. That is the motivation for my skepticism of them using the same combat system. Hardly any JRPGs crack 2-3M in sales. I'm thinking this needs to be a blow out 8M+ sales (like 2013's Tomb Raider) to make it a worthwhile venture for Square. I believe the last Tales game barely touched 1M sales.
 

cmdrdredd

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Short answer to your question is it is just my opinion.

Long answer is: Square owns the rights, but the person/team who created it is the one who did Xenosaga series and Xenoblade Chronicles and X. Xenosaga WAS the re-imagining of what they wanted to accomplish with Xenogears.

FFVII sold around 10 million copies (8-9 million during PSX time) VS Xenogears only selling just over 1 million. While Xenogears has a devout cult following, one would question if it would have any success now and even sell nearly that much.

Since they could not actually fully finish the game the first time around, it is highly unlikely they would do a remake of it even if they pulled a Disc 2 again.

One could say that if FF7 remake prints them money, they would look at doing another game, but I really doubt Xenogears would make the list.

Mathematically it just wouldn't make sense in today's game climate.


I see. I thought xenosaga was supposed to be along the same lines but I also didn't feel it was that good when I played it.
 

ImpulsE69

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I see. I thought xenosaga was supposed to be along the same lines but I also didn't feel it was that good when I played it.

I really liked the first one. The 2nd one sucked (but was made by a different group and was in dev hell). The 3rd one was really good, but all of them got blasted for their combat..which I never understood. I liked the combat. The combat was essentially the same combat from Xenogears with some tweaks.
 

Sulaco

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That goes back to what I posted earlier. There is no way they can drag and drop the old combat system into a AAA game in 201X and hope it will sell to anyone other than FF7's biggest fans. They need to take the "essence" of FF7's combat (like materia, summons, and limit breaks) and find a new way to package it. I'm a big fan of FF7 and I'd be completely fine with a new combat system. If I wanted to play the same combat system again then I'd fire up FF7 right now.

They will step back into the FF7 world with the FF7 characters and the FF7 plight, but I don't expect them to do the exact same game with new graphics. I think that is not what this needs to be. IMO, hardcore fans that want the exact game are going to be hugely disappointed.

Obviously it's not going to be "just the same game". Hell, that was obvious just from the teaser trailer.

The simple fact that it will have an entirely new translation pretty much necessitates a wholly unique approach. I fully expect it will be nearly 100% voice acted as well, and likely new/expanded areas.
 
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