Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster

[Gunslinger08]

It's available for iOS and Android.

Yeah, I can't do the whole "virtual d-pad" on iOS games.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I wish I could play FF6 on my 3DS. We need SNES on Virtual Console or a re-make. I've never played the original, because I missed it on SNES and PS1. I'd much rather play it on a handheld now than on my PS3.

They recently remade it for mobile device (iOS/Android).

Honestly though if I was you I would get a cheap GBA and the GBA version. I love that version with the Dragons' Den.

 

[sweenish]

More like won't.

These are turn based RPG's, not action or twitch titles.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

I read some of the posts in this thread and found it interesting they touched on my biggest hate with modern jrpgs: the stupid action battle system

It completely ruined Xenoblade Chronicles for me... And I find it even weirder that most people praise it... Xenosaga had combat that was a million times better, especially Ep3 which is my favorite game by Tetsuya Takahashi (though all of his games are masterpieces)

I simply dont see the appeal in controlling only one character and having everything else left to the AI... Its horrible
Either let me control EVERYTHING the characters do, or make it so I only control 1 character (aka Lightning Returns)
Action combat simply does not work with party based games and it needs to die in a fire

FFX and Xenosaga 3 imo are the epitome of jrpg combat, keeping it fully turn based while allowing you to change members at any time and adding other interesting systems in such as limits or boost

Leave action combat to the Devil May Cries and the Castlevanias, dont touch my rpgs

 

[ImpulsE69]

I read some of the posts in this thread and found it interesting they touched on my biggest hate with modern jrpgs: the stupid action battle system

It completely ruined Xenoblade Chronicles for me... And I find it even weirder that most people praise it... Xenosaga had combat that was a million times better, especially Ep3 which is my favorite game by Tetsuya Takahashi (though all of his games are masterpieces)

I simply dont see the appeal in controlling only one character and having everything else left to the AI... Its horrible
Either let me control EVERYTHING the characters do, or make it so I only control 1 character (aka Lightning Returns)
Action combat simply does not work with party based games and it needs to die in a fire

FFX and Xenosaga 3 imo are the epitome of jrpg combat, keeping it fully turn based while allowing you to change members at any time and adding other interesting systems in such as limits or boost

Leave action combat to the Devil May Cries and the Castlevanias, dont touch my rpgs

Agreed. I enjoyed Xenoblade, but the combat did turn me off.

 

[Dumac]

No dual audio = no buy.

Although I hear that the Asian region version has Japanese audio and English subs, so maybe I'll import that some time.

 

[FaceToKeyboard]

Yessss, X-2! I disliked X, never did finish it - I just can't stand Tidus.

But X-2 and the girls?! And the music?! And the costumes?!

All day, baby... All day.

 

[exdeath]

Yessss, X-2! I disliked X, never did finish it - I just can't stand Tidus.

But X-2 and the girls?! And the music?! And the costumes?!

All day, baby... All day.

In other words you don't like RPGs.

I mean ... X has many things to not like and JRPGs are individually subjective but at least it's a full game and an RPG.

But to actually favor Charlie's Angels Ditz Pop n Dance Mini Game Collection over X?

 

[Sulaco]

Yessss, X-2! I disliked X, never did finish it - I just can't stand Tidus.

But X-2 and the girls?! And the music?! And the costumes?!

All day, baby... All day.

Couldn't you just, like, play an actual decent RPG, then go watch some (anime) porn? Because that really seems more logical.

For the record, I thought FFX was quite mediocre outside of the setting, and couldn't stand Tidus, but at least it was a functional RPG and not blatant, shameless fan service pretending to be a game.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Lol X-2, after finishing X and thoroughly enjoying it, I was so excited thinking "yay theres a direct sequel!"

I noped out after the first cutscene... That game is a disgrace (although the combat isnt bad)
Its interesting how with the departure of Nubuo Uematsu, the Final Fantasy franchise fell into complete mediocrity
I dont think they are unrelated
Final Fantasy games nowadays feel very much like Hollywood blockbusters... Huge budget, but incredibly shallow

Meanwhile Xenoblade has one of the best OSTs in anything ever, bringing back some of the feels from the SNES era... The moment you start up the game and you hear the first piano notes on the title screen (so reminiscent of "To Zanarkand..."), you know you are about to play one of the best games of all time (sadly stunted from its full potential by the combat system as I said in my previous post)

IMO the Xeno games in general are the true successors of Final Fantasy after SNES (I like to think it goes like FF 1-6 > Xenogears > etc)
I read up on the wiki and Xenogears was originally supposed to be a Final Fantasy script, but it was considered too dark/complex and so it was made into its own side project

Its already sad enough that Tetsuya wasnt even given a proper budget to make Xenogears which is apparent by the time Disc 2 rolls in, with the sudden dive in production values
And then later having to cut Xenosaga from 6 episodes to 3

The man is making masterpiece after masterpiece and no one seems to care (well, at least Xenoblade seems to be properly done despite its humongous length)

Anyway, enough rambling and derailing, I just had to rant a bit after seeing this thread... Stuff like this really "rustles my jimmies"

 

[Sulaco]

Lol X-2, after finishing X and thoroughly enjoying it, I was so excited thinking "yay theres a direct sequel!"

I noped out after the first cutscene... That game is a disgrace (although the combat isnt bad)
Its interesting how with the departure of Nubuo Uematsu, the Final Fantasy franchise fell into complete mediocrity
I dont think they are unrelated
Final Fantasy games nowadays feel very much like Hollywood blockbusters... Huge budget, but incredibly shallow

Meanwhile Xenoblade has one of the best OSTs in anything ever, bringing back some of the feels from the SNES era... The moment you start up the game and you hear the first piano notes on the title screen (so reminiscent of "To Zanarkand..."), you know you are about to play one of the best games of all time (sadly stunted from its full potential by the combat system as I said in my previous post)

IMO the Xeno games in general are the true successors of Final Fantasy after SNES (I like to think it goes like FF 1-6 > Xenogears > etc)
I read up on the wiki and Xenogears was originally supposed to be a Final Fantasy script, but it was considered too dark/complex and so it was made into its own side project

Its already sad enough that Tetsuya wasnt even given a proper budget to make Xenogears which is apparent by the time Disc 2 rolls in, with the sudden dive in production values
And then later having to cut Xenosaga from 6 episodes to 3

The man is making masterpiece after masterpiece and no one seems to care (well, at least Xenoblade seems to be properly done despite its humongous length)

Anyway, enough rambling and derailing, I just had to rant a bit after seeing this thread... Stuff like this really "rustles my jimmies"

Have you played Lost Odyssey on Xbox 360?

It was made by Hironobu Sakaguchi, the creator of the Final Fantasy series, and scored by Nobuo Uematsu.
It doesn't quite have the charm of the classic FF games, but is about as good as you get for spiritual successors, and a much better "Final Fantasy" game then any of the recent entries.

 

[Aikouka]

Have you played Lost Odyssey on Xbox 360?

It was made by Hironobu Sakaguchi, the creator of the Final Fantasy series, and scored by Nobuo Uematsu.
It doesn't quite have the charm of the classic FF games, but is about as good as you get for spiritual successors, and a much better "Final Fantasy" game then any of the recent entries.

Blue Dragon was also made by the same team, but it also includes Toriyama Akira as the artist. Toriyama, who most probably know for Dragon Ball, also did the art for Enix's Dragon Quest series and Square's Chrono Trigger, so it's pretty easy to spot that signature look. I've talked about it before, but Blue Dragon is one of those games that makes me sigh a bit, because it had such potential, but one aspect (the story/characters) really weigh it down. It's still fun to play because it feels a lot like an old school Final Fantasy game. Since the game was stylized with a heavy cartoon look, it still looks really good even though it came out in 2006.

 

[sweenish]

While we're bringing up Mistwalker games, The Last Story on Wii is also from them. I haven't beat it yet, so I can't say whether it's better or not than LO, but what I did play, I enjoyed.

I would say that the JRPG is due for a strong comeback, but FF is not leading that charge anymore. XV still interests me, but I'll have to wait and see now. It seems that X or the next Persona are more poised to bring the JRPG back into the limelight. For most of this last generation, the genre just kept shoving its head further up its own butt.

 

[sniffin]

Tried to pick up the Vita version today but the stores around here only seem to be stocking the PS3 physical copies. Sucks as I'd rather not use such a huge chunk of my memory card

 

[Gunslinger08]

I need to find a new RPG to play. It's much easier to find time to play on handhelds these days. Bravely Default was pretty good. I have FF3 (DS) to play. I'm not sure if Fire Emblem is for me. For some reason I bought FF8 for PC.

 

[Rage187]

Tried to pick up the Vita version today but the stores around here only seem to be stocking the PS3 physical copies. Sucks as I'd rather not use such a huge chunk of my memory card

guess what? I got the Vita version and X2 is download only. I had to delete everything off my 4gb.

 

[exdeath]

And Sony acts like they don't know why Vita is failing so bad?

Maybe something to do with 1990s prices on tiny flash cards? Get rid of that garbage and go with an open format and it will sell like hotcakes if it's not already too late.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I would say that the JRPG is due for a strong comeback, but FF is not leading that charge anymore.

Not the main series, no. But stick the brand on RPGs I like and I will be happy. Like The 4 Heroes of Light.

 

[Dumac]

Couldn't you just, like, play an actual decent RPG, then go watch some (anime) porn? Because that really seems more logical.

For the record, I thought FFX was quite mediocre outside of the setting, and couldn't stand Tidus, but at least it was a functional RPG and not blatant, shameless fan service pretending to be a game.

In other words you don't like RPGs.

I mean ... X has many things to not like and JRPGs are individually subjective but at least it's a full game and an RPG.

But to actually favor Charlie's Angels Ditz Pop n Dance Mini Game Collection over X?

Did you guys even play FFX-2? The story was atrocious, as was all the fanservice, but the gameplay was rock solid. It had an excellent fighting system. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Final fantasy X and X-2 probably have my two favorite battle systems in all of final fantasy.

 

[exdeath]

Did you guys even play FFX-2? The story was atrocious, as was all the fanservice, but the gameplay was rock solid. It had an excellent fighting system. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Final fantasy X and X-2 probably have my two favorite battle systems in all of final fantasy.

That's instadeath for a JRPG.

 

[Sulaco]

Did you guys even play FFX-2? The story was atrocious, as was all the fanservice, but the gameplay was rock solid. It had an excellent fighting system. I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Final fantasy X and X-2 probably have my two favorite battle systems in all of final fantasy.

Yes. I did.

And the thought of playing an rpg with an admittedly "atrocious" storyline is beyond asinine.

 

[ImpulsE69]

A game that really surprised me was Baton Katos (the first one). I honestly didn't think I'd enjoy the "card" mechanics" but the story and art and even the battles were just great all around. I honestly miss that style of graphics in RPG's. The transition to 3D has not been kind to much of the RPG genre.

I still need to play Xenosaga 3. I'm only about halfway through 2 and...just can't get through it I've had 3 sitting on the shelf for....YEARS. (loved 1).

 

[Dumac]

That's instadeath for a JRPG.

Yes. I did.

And the thought of playing an rpg with an admittedly "atrocious" storyline is beyond asinine.

I disagree. A good story is nice, but gameplay is what really matter to me, especially in something like a JRPG. The mechanics of character buildings and battle are supreme.

I don't see how you say FFX-2 isn't "functional", is "pretending to be a game", and "isn't a full game" because it has a subpar story. Isn't it the other way around? A game with a good story and crap gameplay would be a bad, incomplete, and nonfunctional game.

Look at bravely default. It's story might as well be nonexistent - I'd call it bad, yet it has plenty of fans and good reviews.

How about the early final fantasies?
Secret of Mana?
Seiken Densetsu 3?
Dragon Quest?
Eternal sonata had a crap story but great gameplay, especially with co-op.

I'm sure I could think of more, but at lot of the best JRPGs have middling to poor stories and good to great gameplay. It is rare to have a good story and good gameplay. I would say good gameplay + poor story is a better JRPG than good story + poor gameplay.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Final Fantasy X is the only Final Fantasy game I ever played, and I loved it. I got completely sucked in, going collecting crazy, getting everybody's Celestial Weapon (except Wakka's, as I hated Blitzball), beating Nemesis a whole bunch of times... Then I loaned it to a friend of a friend of a girl I was dating and never saw it again. I'll probably end up picking up the remake, seeing if I can get the wife into it; turn-based combat might be her thing.

 

[Sulaco]

I disagree. A good story is nice, but gameplay is what really matter to me, especially in something like a JRPG. The mechanics of character buildings and battle are supreme.

I don't see how you say FFX-2 isn't "functional", is "pretending to be a game", and "isn't a full game" because it has a subpar story. Isn't it the other way around? A game with a good story and crap gameplay would be a bad, incomplete, and nonfunctional game.

Look at bravely default. It's story might as well be nonexistent - I'd call it bad, yet it has plenty of fans and good reviews.

How about the early final fantasies?
Secret of Mana?
Seiken Densetsu 3?
Dragon Quest?
Eternal sonata had a crap story but great gameplay, especially with co-op.

I'm sure I could think of more, but at lot of the best JRPGs have middling to poor stories and good to great gameplay. It is rare to have a good story and good gameplay. I would say good gameplay + poor story is a better JRPG than good story + poor gameplay.

Well, there's a difference between a simplistically written RPG from the 8 and 16-bit era, or more modern ones with a few too many cliches, versus (and these are your words, and I agree) atrociously bad stories.

FF X-2 isn't bad because it has a simplistic storyline and too many JRPG cliches, it's crap because it's a woeful storyline, with egregiously bad dialogue, characters, and some of the most "facepalm" inducing moments in modern mainstream JRPG history.
In that respect, you simply cannot compare the simplistic, primitive (albeit charming) story-telling of Secret of Mana and early Dragon Quest games to the purposefully shameless fan service and asinine plot of FF X-2.

I play RPGs for the story, characters, and dialogue. If others care more about the battle system, more power to them, but an RPG with poor characters, dialogue, and story, but a good battle system is just masturbation to me. Why would I care to fight the battles and progress if the plot and characters give me absolutely no incentive?