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torpid

Lifer
Sep 14, 2003
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: SunSamurai
I'm an idiot.

See, we can do nothing more than fling insults too. Saga, on the other hand, actually contributed to this thread, unlike your trolling ass.

He did, but that quoted post was pretty weird for a number of reasons:

1. Amazon integrates with iTunes
2. iTunes can rip to MP3
3. iPod/iPhone can play MP3
4. Who the hell wants to burn a new MP3 CD every time they buy a new album?
5. Why would someone buy a blackberry, a sansa, an iPhone, two OEM CD changers for the car, x number of CDs, then burn all those songs onto two sets of CDs (one for each car)?
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: zerocool84

That and AT&T's coverage, specifically 3G coverage is horrible compared to Verizon/Sprint and yes, their proces are rediculous but people want the iphone so bad they are willing to pay crazy plan prices and have bad reception.

You know the plans are pretty similar between VZW and ATT right?

45 for data + 45 for voice + text messaging plan

Except ATT gives you rollover...

I pay $99 for unlimited everything but hey, some people are willing to pay more for less just to have the iphone. Nothing wrong with that cus everyone wants what they want but I will never pay those crazy prices from AT&T and Verizon.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
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IMO all cell phone data plans are too expensive. They basically double your monthly rate compared to using just a voice plan. A bit insane for me.

Personally I'd like to see cell phone data plans become fast enough to use for normal Internet browsing. If I could drop my home ISP in favor of a mobile service just as I dropped my home phone in favor of a cell phone years ago, $80 or $100 a month wouldn't seem so bad. But I'm already paying about $50/mo for Internet and I would be paying $40/mo for cell phone service if I wasn't on a family plan - not too keen on adding another $30-$40 on top of that JUST for mobile use.

EDIT: I am aware of tethering, but for now, mobile phone Internet access still isn't practical enough for everyday use.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: peritusONE
I'm typically anti-Apple, but I would really like to have an iPhone. I don't agree with being forced into a $30 data plan for 2 years and not having the option to cancel it, but the phone is kinda pointless without the net, so whatever I guess. The iPhone is competitively priced and has plenty more pros than cons, so I can get behind it, unlike their other products.

It would be pretty useful even without a data plan, because it has wifi. Yeah it's not as good as always being connected to the Internet, but to many people (myself included), always being connected isn't really worth $30/month. It's still useful as a PDA when you're not connected to the Internet.

Looking at it another way, you can safely assume that nearly 100% of iPod Touch owners also own a cell phone. Put those two things together and you have an iPhone with no data plan without the inconvenience of carrying two devices.

A PDA phone with wifi and no data plan is something I wanted for years with Verizon, but they only had one such phone and it was not very good. Now that I have an employer-supplied iPhone, I think I'll have a hard time if I ever go back to not having a PDA phone.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: peritusONE
I'm typically anti-Apple, but I would really like to have an iPhone. I don't agree with being forced into a $30 data plan for 2 years and not having the option to cancel it, but the phone is kinda pointless without the net, so whatever I guess. The iPhone is competitively priced and has plenty more pros than cons, so I can get behind it, unlike their other products.

It would be pretty useful even without a data plan, because it has wifi. Yeah it's not as good as always being connected to the Internet, but to many people (myself included), always being connected isn't really worth $30/month. It's still useful as a PDA when you're not connected to the Internet.

Looking at it another way, you can safely assume that nearly 100% of iPod Touch owners also own a cell phone. Put those two things together and you have an iPhone with no data plan without the inconvenience of carrying two devices.

A PDA phone with wifi and no data plan is something I wanted for years with Verizon, but they only had one such phone and it was not very good. Now that I have an employer-supplied iPhone, I think I'll have a hard time if I ever go back to not having a PDA phone.

Yeah, I've thought about that too. Depends on where you live, but free wifi is available in a lot of places these days. Of course you could always get an iPod Touch despite it being yet another device to carry around. Unfortunately, the iPod Touch also misses out on other iPhone features like the camera and speaker.
 

Asharus

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I love iPhone hate. It makes me laugh inside. My take on it is if they don't want it, don't force it on them. You're not missing out, they are. There's no need to justify why you own such an "expensive" and "unnecessary" piece of equipment.
 

nerp

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Dec 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Out for delivery now, what cool things should I know about? What are some cool apps, preferably free but I would not be opposed to buying something if it is truly useful/fun

I find making calls and sending e-mails is pretty useful.
 
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Originally posted by: Nik
My biggest beef with the iPhone is that you're forced to sign up with that rancid abortion of a cell phone carrier, AT&T. Next, I don't need anything more than a phone. I don't have to be constantly busy with email and internet and IM and MP3s and blah and blah and blah and blah. My cell phone makes phone calls and handles text messages. It was also practically free. I have unlimited everything (legit unlimited, not unlimited after a certain time of day or some shit), and my bill is nice and cheap.

The iPhone is like the iMac: bloated, overpriced, overhyped, and for metrosexuals only.

Bloated? - What are you talking about? The iPhone lacks so many features it's not funny.

Overpriced? - Only the data plan, but so is any other smartphone. I suppose with any other smart phone like the HTC Touch Diamond you can go buy an unlocked one and jam a sim in and pay $15 / month for the data plan, but how many people here even do that? Not many I bet. The fact is you pay the same for a WinMo phone as you do an iPhone PER MONTH. Unless you're in the business of buying unlocked phones like I do.

So do you want to look at how I view the iPhone pricing? With my N-Series, I'm paying $15 data plan unlimited + $5 texting. That's $20 / month for data. With the iPhone I pay $30 / month + $5 texting - $5 FAN discount. $30 / month for data. That's $10 / month EXTRA per month for TWO years. $240. Price of iPhone? $199.

Total cost: $440.

Please find me a comparable smartphone for the same price. Ok, I'm a big Symbian fan. How much is the N97? $650? LOL what about my dream phone, the Samsung Omnia HD? $700. Ok, so maybe we can downgrade. Nokia N85. $300. Ahh. That's more like it. But the N85 isn't touch so this isn't af air comparison. Bottom line is for $440, the iPhone isn't much of a barrier.

You may complain that this is because I have a data plan already, but honestly you can't say the iPhone is expensive because of the data plan. The same applies for any other smartphone. The idea is that you should be doing iPhone vs. Other Smartphone, not iPhone vs. dumbphone and then bitch about the $30 data plan.

BTW if you want expensive, think of me trying to wait for the Samsung Omnia HD to drop to $600 and then snag one and get an iPod Touch 3.0. Hooray $800.

Do you want to know why I'm not ready to be an iPhone user 100% of the time? It's because I have 8 pages of apps on my iPod touch. If I mess around with my apps I'll be charging twice a day for my iPhone. Hooray. I'd rather not deal with that. But who knows? Maybe I'll cave in soon enough.

BTW just shut up about expensive phones. Look at how it is in the rest of the world. People buy phones and then go to the carrier to get a plan. Phones DO cost that much. Carriers may or may not subsidize you in the rest of the world but because they do in the US our networks blow.

Overhyped? - I'll agree with you here but this applies for the non-technical crowd who probably can't even setup an IMAP account. Thank goodness for dumb features on the phone that let you setup your e-mail easily. Good point though. I'm gonna pick up some of my friends' iphones (yes the female ones who are all Apple fangirls for the wrong reasons) and check out what apps and settings they have. I bet I use my iPod Touch in better ways than they do their iPhones.

And seriously it's only overhyped if you honestly know of better phones and I can tell most people here haven't used a decent WinMo phone nor have they experienced a solid Symbian phone. There are good alternatives out there. And T-Mobile Dash isn't a GOOD WINMO phone... Thank you.

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: peritusONE
I'm typically anti-Apple, but I would really like to have an iPhone. I don't agree with being forced into a $30 data plan for 2 years and not having the option to cancel it, but the phone is kinda pointless without the net, so whatever I guess. The iPhone is competitively priced and has plenty more pros than cons, so I can get behind it, unlike their other products.

It would be pretty useful even without a data plan, because it has wifi. Yeah it's not as good as always being connected to the Internet, but to many people (myself included), always being connected isn't really worth $30/month. It's still useful as a PDA when you're not connected to the Internet.

Looking at it another way, you can safely assume that nearly 100% of iPod Touch owners also own a cell phone. Put those two things together and you have an iPhone with no data plan without the inconvenience of carrying two devices.

A PDA phone with wifi and no data plan is something I wanted for years with Verizon, but they only had one such phone and it was not very good. Now that I have an employer-supplied iPhone, I think I'll have a hard time if I ever go back to not having a PDA phone.

Yeah, I've thought about that too. Depends on where you live, but free wifi is available in a lot of places these days. Of course you could always get an iPod Touch despite it being yet another device to carry around. Unfortunately, the iPod Touch also misses out on other iPhone features like the camera and speaker.

Do what I did. Go with an iPod Touch for a bit. Once you're hooked on that you'll realize how cool it would be to have internet at your fingertips. 3 days with a 3GS showed me that my problems with the iPod Touch are all resolved.
 

SunSamurai

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Jan 16, 2005
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: SunSamurai
Nik is an idiot.

See, we can do nothing more than fling insults too. Saga, on the other hand, actually contributed to this thread, unlike your trolling ass.

Pull the redwood out of your ass and lighten up, chump.
 

nerp

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Dec 31, 2005
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Having used both, the BB Curve is the better phone for me. It's just much better for handling tremendous amounts of email and document editing on the fly, which is crucial for my job. I can stream Pandora too. My GF has one so we just use BB messenger instead of text messages. I can throw in a 16GB sdhc card in there if I wanted to use it as a music player. The iPhone is neat and all but the BB is just the better tool for the job for me. And I don't really care about apps. I get by fine without a GPS system or restaurant reviews. I actually find relying on the internet for every decision I make a bit boring after a while. Depending on where you're at, if you're in a city, it's best to just pull up on a local and ask where to grab a bite to eat. Screw paid-for restaurant locator services. They don't get the tiny local places all the time. I had an iPod touch and I've used the iPhone extensively. I'm just not that excited about handheld apps. I'm surrounded by computers, I have a powerful thinkpad. . . The tought of tinkering with apps on my phone is too much. I can get nauseated with too much technological input.
 

dbk

Lifer
Apr 23, 2004
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i got the 3gs and i miss the blackberry's crazy good battery life... so now i need a charger for my office and the car.
 

RGN

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Feb 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: Saga
Mine sits on my desk all day long, is promptly put in a back pocket after work, and is only used over my blackberry when I need a ghetto navi system when I'm not in my truck.

The dazzle wears off relatively quickly if you aren't a trendy college kid trying to use it as a fashion accessory.

Strange, I regard my blackberry as a POS that is only good for work messaging.

I actually use my iPhone for all sorts of stuff.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: nerp
Having used both, the BB Curve is the better phone for me. It's just much better for handling tremendous amounts of email and document editing on the fly, which is crucial for my job. I can stream Pandora too. My GF has one so we just use BB messenger instead of text messages. I can throw in a 16GB sdhc card in there if I wanted to use it as a music player. The iPhone is neat and all but the BB is just the better tool for the job for me. And I don't really care about apps. I get by fine without a GPS system or restaurant reviews. I actually find relying on the internet for every decision I make a bit boring after a while. Depending on where you're at, if you're in a city, it's best to just pull up on a local and ask where to grab a bite to eat. Screw paid-for restaurant locator services. They don't get the tiny local places all the time. I had an iPod touch and I've used the iPhone extensively. I'm just not that excited about handheld apps. I'm surrounded by computers, I have a powerful thinkpad. . . The tought of tinkering with apps on my phone is too much. I can get nauseated with too much technological input.

Diff'rnt strokes for Diff'rnt folks.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Total cost: $440.

Please find me a comparable smartphone for the same price.

If you'd bother to read any of my other posts in this thread, I've already addressed everything you've posted. I have a phone that sends/receives phone calls and text messages. Everything else is bloat. My phone cost me next to nothing. My account affords me unlimited everything, and I do mean unlimited everything.

SmartPhones in general are bloated, overpriced, and overpriced. The iPhone excels in the overhyped catagory.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Total cost: $440.

Please find me a comparable smartphone for the same price.

If you'd bother to read any of my other posts in this thread, I've already addressed everything you've posted. I have a phone that sends/receives phone calls and text messages. Everything else is bloat. My phone cost me next to nothing. My account affords me unlimited everything, and I do mean unlimited everything.

SmartPhones in general are bloated, overpriced, and overpriced. The iPhone excels in the overhyped catagory.

I find your phone horribly anemic and inadequate for my purposes. It is a shitty POS that doesn't do half the shit that my phone does.


It goes both ways
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: Ns1
I find your phone horribly anemic and inadequate for my purposes. It is a shitty POS that doesn't do half the shit that my phone does.


It goes both ways

Yes, it does! :beer:
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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fuck, when I think a joke is too gay, it's probably too damn gay.
 

Hacp

Lifer
Jun 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Hacp
You need to pay 80 bucks a month for an Iphone IIRC. That's just way to expensive.

wtf is this madness, IT'S THE SAME AS ANY GODDAMN SMART PHONE

Well, I'm talking about smartphones in general.

See bolded.


And for reference, here is the amount I was paying for my piece of shit xv6700 with VZW

Your current Verizon Wireless bill statement is now available for online viewing at www.verizonwireless.com. The current balance due is $101.64

450 minutes + data + 1k txt messages

Well, its a fucking Iphone thread. He mentioned the Iphone. I said it was too expensive. He never mentioned any other smartphone so why should I? You're an idiot.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Hacp

Well, its a fucking Iphone thread. He mentioned the Iphone. I said it was too expensive. He never mentioned any other smartphone so why should I? You're an idiot.

Because your gripe is not valid as it is applicable to any smart phone. Thus, your gripe is with the cost of data plans, not the iphone.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Hacp

Well, its a fucking Iphone thread. He mentioned the Iphone. I said it was too expensive. He never mentioned any other smartphone so why should I? You're an idiot.

Because your gripe is not valid as it is applicable to any smart phone. Thus, your gripe is with the cost of data plans, not the iphone.

I agree 100%. The 'required' data plan argument is the worst of the anti-apple yokels. Most people who want a smartphone will get a data plan, so the fact that it's required shouldn't effect anything. It's an argument against smartphones overall and not just the iPhone.
 

RadiclDreamer

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Aug 8, 2004
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Nik
The iPhone is like the iMac: bloated, overpriced, overhyped, and for metrosexuals only.

200 bucks for 16gb, 300 for bold AFTER MIR

next

After a mail in rebate that could be lost in the mail or apple simply refusing to honor the postage stamp. Yup. I have never and will never do MIRs. Still, $200 for a cell phone? Screw that! My phone was practically free. Practically free > 200 damn dollars!

Instead of people defending the iPhone, why not iPhone users try to convince others why they should bother upgrading to the iPhone? Sell us on it. Please, try.

$200 flat out, no rebates of any kind, I was just in the store today to upgrade to the iphone 3gs
 
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