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chucky2

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Well, I'm a country boy in a city. I'm thinking you would probably faint if you came in my house after I haven't done the dishes

edit- Jesus forget about my sink, you would probably die of fear trying to use my toilet sometimes

I guess it'd depend on what kind of place you kept. If it's a shithole then I'd probably elect not to remain in your shithole because that's not an environment I'd want to be in. Eating off of clean dishes to me is a pretty standard thing, so if you can't keep your sink clean (a thing that basically should normally be relatively clean given it's made to have soap and water regularly applied to it), that might be indicative of having a cleanliness problem.
 

chucky2

Lifer
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Did you just really say that blacks are a shit hole element and to keep them out of your town?

Yes, and, No. What you want to keep out of your town are people who are going to drag it down - who would want to dilute the niceness of their town? No one. So if you have a town that has historically been nice, and is 99% white (almost no town is 100% white), why, given what's happened to all the communities that have allowed other races in (all communities that are working class, the richie rich communities are basically immune to this given their income levels), would you take the chance who you're letting in is going to have the same values as you (and thus, the town niceness remains)? You wouldn't, not if you had a choice.

The problem is, color is easy to go on, so, it's gone on. You simultaneously want to keep the white trash out too, even though they're the same color in this example. Basically you're discriminating on whatever you can discriminate on to get the best possible chance the person moving in won't F the town. You aren't going to get anyone aware of history in this area to enthusiastically say, Yeah, lets only sell to blacks, because, it's worked so well before!

So I'm not really picking on blacks here to pick on blacks, it's just that in the Chicago area, since blacks predominately have been poorer than whites, that's what you have. Sorry if this is inconvenient truth, but, it's the real Reality that P.C. people don't want to acknowledge...
 

rudeguy

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Yes, and, No. What you want to keep out of your town are people who are going to drag it down - who would want to dilute the niceness of their town? No one. So if you have a town that has historically been nice, and is 99% white (almost no town is 100% white), why, given what's happened to all the communities that have allowed other races in (all communities that are working class, the richie rich communities are basically immune to this given their income levels), would you take the chance who you're letting in is going to have the same values as you (and thus, the town niceness remains)? You wouldn't, not if you had a choice.

The problem is, color is easy to go on, so, it's gone on. You simultaneously want to keep the white trash out too, even though they're the same color in this example. Basically you're discriminating on whatever you can discriminate on to get the best possible chance the person moving in won't F the town. You aren't going to get anyone aware of history in this area to enthusiastically say, Yeah, lets only sell to blacks, because, it's worked so well before!

So I'm not really picking on blacks here to pick on blacks, it's just that in the Chicago area, since blacks predominately have been poorer than whites, that's what you have. Sorry if this is inconvenient truth, but, it's the real Reality that P.C. people don't want to acknowledge...

Would you consider yourself republican or democrat?
 

chucky2

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Would you consider yourself republican or democrat?

Neither. I don't believe in religion having a place in Gov, I think gays (and poly) should be able to have the same legal rights as hetero, I believe in first trimester abortion and when the baby is going to have some kind of birth defect, I don't think we should destroy our environment for business reasons (if at all avoidable/necessary), I'm for social service programs. However...

...I'm not for removing historical religious statues just because someone is a whiner, I don't believe in perverting the term marriage because people want to whine, I'm not for women unilaterally deciding on an abortion, nor getting one 'because my body is in danger makeup BS excuse' in the 2nd and 3rd trimester, I don't buy into the Global Warm, er, Global Cool, er, Climate Change lock stock and barrel, and I certainly am not for giving "free" money to people so they can go buy ribs, Pepsi, and Cheetos on my dime.

I'd throw in not supporting the illegal invasion at all but we know both sides Leadership want that to continue so what would be the point.

Chuck
 

emperus

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Oh, absolutely, x2. It's also a clearly Realist statement. It doesn't matter if it's poor white people, poor black people, poor brown people, and so forth, moving from their shithole to a nice town, the issue is, once the nice town starts getting too many poorer people, the town starts becoming a shithole just like the town the poor people left. When you have a lower middle-class to middle-class town of whites, and poorer blacks (lets say blacks, as is common theme in the Chicago scheme of things) start moving there because they want out of their shithole (and no blame on them there, who wants to live in a shithole?), it triggers two things: 1.) white flight - they're getting the F out not because they now have a black living next door (most of them don't), but because they're getting out before the town goes to shit (and, historically, it does, so in the end, they're right), and 2.) the word gets out from those moving in that Yeah we moved to <x>, it's so nice there!, and, more come.

When it's almost all white communities with blacks moving in, and the town goes to shit, it's not hard at all for whites to conclude that when blacks start moving in, things are eventually going to go bad (that them doing a white flight adds to the problem doesn't cross their minds)...it's easier to see due to skin color. If it was poor whites moving in the effect would be almost as bad, however, because of same skin color it's harder for original town inhabitants to determine, so less/delayed 'white flight'. We can actually see that in towns on the border of the now shithole towns. There is still a really good % of white there but it's not middle-class whites only now, we've got the whites are indoctrinated in shithole living. And surprise surprise, the towns are slowly becoming shitholes.

The long and short is this: If you're in a nice town, you want to make sure you keep the shithole element out. You want people with the same core values, and application of those values (because wanting a nice looking yard and actually putting forth the effort to have that nice looking yard are two completely different things), to move/stay in your town, and you want to keep those that have lessor (relative to you in the town) values out. I really can't blame the owner in your example, why take the chance of adding to white flight and that your parents wouldn't share the values and application of those values? Sucks for you and your family but for those living there, makes perfect sense.

Well at least you admit it is racist. And as you said a clearly lazy view.

edit: You actually describe Racism pretty well. If we move it to the work world. Given that corporate America is predominately white, an employer can ask, why take the chance and hire someone who has different values than me. I might as well just hire white people because a black person has a higher risk of having different values.

That is what is dangerous about the view that you have. You dress it up as just risk mitigation. So, people can rationally say it and rationally believe they are just mitigating risk by taking the lazy way out, grouping people based on race. But that in fact sums up racism up perfectly and also white privilege (as the economically dominant race in this country is white and they are the ones that will be most likely excluding people based on race).

And just because you couch in in a more palatable form of risk mitigation doesn't make it any less racist than those who just call African American animals. In fact yours may in fact be more dangerous as it comes from a very reasoned place vs. the others.
 
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chucky2

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Well at least you admit it is racist. And as you said a clearly lazy view.

Oh yeah, racist for sure. Lazy? It's mentally lazy in that if you're like that you need to expend no mental effort on the possible negative/suboptimal result giving people their own fair shot. On the flip side, it is far safer given every towns history of downfall to just assume the end result won't be as good, and then screen the other potential buyers carefully. So from a current owners perspective, what is the downside? Perhaps taking a little longer on selling the house, that's about it.

edit: You actually describe Racism pretty well. If we move it to the work world. Given that corporate America is predominately white, an employer can ask, why take the chance and hire someone who has different values than me. I might as well just hire white people because a black person has a higher risk of having different values.

Yes, but the problem with work is you don't generally want to spend any more time than you have to finding a qualified applicant, and, you want the best performing applicant for your dollar. There is a risk on F'ing up the work dynamic but if it's a professional setting in the Corp. world then you shouldn't have to worry about that anyways. In the Corp. world you just have to be on the lookout for bullshit artists and/or resume inflators. That's why I like giving them scenarios and seeing how they speak, how they process the problem, how they ask questions, etc. In a smaller company setting, definitely would consider the racial dynamic.

That is what is dangerous about the view that you have. You dress it up as just risk mitigation. So, people can rationally say it and rationally believe they are just mitigating risk by taking the lazy way out, grouping people based on race. But that in fact sums up racism up perfectly and also white privilege (as the economically dominant race in this country is white and they are the ones that will be most likely excluding people based on race).

The problem here is you are viewing this from the minority perspective and trying to apply the affects on the minority to the majority - it doesn't affect the majority the same. In your house example, it didn't affect that white owner one bit to wait and sell his house to whitey, other than the additional wait period. You guys got F'd, yes, but that is neither his or that towns problem. Their mental "laziness" cost them having to have a few more barbques together and the securing of less chance of town decline, hardly something for them to fret about.

And just because you couch in in a more palatable form of risk mitigation doesn't make it any less racist than those who just call African American animals. In fact yours may in fact be more dangerous as it comes from a very reasoned place vs. the others.

As I said, it's as racist as it gets but it doesn't mean it isn't based in fact nor doesn't work when applied. Is it racist? Absolutely. Does it work? Yep. Is that an inconvenient truth for bkacks and those that wish to win their (usually political and emotional) favor? Yep, sure is. Look at Posen in the Chicago area as a perfect example. Used to be known as lily white Posen, as no one living there would sell to anyone not white. The surrounding communities were also working class white, but began a trend of selling to minorities and poof, 20 years down the road they're shitholes, but Posen remained a white island (that despite having older white people and the same aged houses, had kept yards without trash floating around). Fast forward another 20 years to current day, and those whites are dying off, their houses being sold tby their kids living in Naperville or Plainfield or wherever, who don't give a F who they sell to, they just want to close the estate. Posen has turned mixed, with a ton of Mex and black. What's happened? Downward trend from yesteryear, but fortunately a lot of Mex, who keep their yards generally good.
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