Finally encountered a gay hater

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
I have yet to hit that stumbling block - but I expect it someday. The only kinds of reactions I've recieved are usually along the lines of "is this some kind of joke?", at first everybody I knew thought I was just messing with them

Well, you probably aren't going to get that kind of reaction from people you know or who know you. It's the ones who don't know you that will probably give you the most difficult time.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid

Originally posted by: Leaf

Two people refuse to associate with me because I'm gay. I'm not particularly devastated, but it's a slight disappointment there are still a few people who choose their friends based on criteria such as these.

And this is supposed to be a bad thing? Just because they don't want to give cheap relationships based on sexual desires their stamp of approval. Cos by pretending to be ok with it means you condone it.


for you.

Statements like this make me want to move to Canada.

Don't think there aren't morons here too.

- M4H

I don't doubt it. I was just expressing my desire to distance myself both geographically and idealogically from these sorts of people.

 

[Farvacola]

I guess theres only one thing to do......find all the bigots and hateful people, put em on a big boat, and sink it.

 

[JDub02]

for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

 

[woowoo]

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Ditto

And I will take measures to to make it that way

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Seems most of you need to learn the difference between hate & choosing to disassociate yourself with someone/thing because you disagree with it at some level.

By that same logic I must hate drug users & thieves since I prefer to avoid the company of those who fall in either of those categories.

The upside to all this, of course, is that you're free to avoid me if you don't like gun owners, republicans, or the generally conservative.

Viper GTS

Well if you choose to avoid drug users and thieves because of what they do, then you obviously don't LIKE thievery and drug use. And you obviously arn't nuetral on the issue, because it was a big enough issue to decide whether you should get to know someone else or not. So what is left?

The only difference would be the level of hate.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: woowoo

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Ditto

And I will take measures to to make it that way

Huh? "Take measures"? WTF are you talking about?

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: amdforever2

I'm in Kansas City, Missouri. It's a pretty conservative area I suppose.

I'm suprised you'd think that. KC seems to be a pretty open place to me. Not like some larger cities but pretty liberal for the midwest. Of course I'm looking at it from a hetero perspective...but not completely ignorant.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Seems most of you need to learn the difference between hate & choosing to disassociate yourself with someone/thing because you disagree with it at some level.

By that same logic I must hate drug users & thieves since I prefer to avoid the company of those who fall in either of those categories.

The upside to all this, of course, is that you're free to avoid me if you don't like gun owners, republicans, or the generally conservative.

Viper GTS

I agree with you, but your analogy is not the greatest.

Just because someone chooses not to agree with a certain lifestyle, and therefore disassociates themselves with that lifestyle, doesnt automatically make them a hater.

It should be equal. Just as people should be free to live their lives according to their desired lifestyle, others should be free to choose to not associate with people if they disagree with that lifestyle.

As long as they do not wish to harm or allow harm to anyone, everyone should be equally free to choose who they want to associate with.

Live and let live.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: woowoo

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Ditto

And I will fake seizures to to make it that way

Huh? "Take measures"? WTF are you talking about?

Fixed

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Seems most of you need to learn the difference between hate & choosing to disassociate yourself with someone/thing because you disagree with it at some level.

By that same logic I must hate drug users & thieves since I prefer to avoid the company of those who fall in either of those categories.

The upside to all this, of course, is that you're free to avoid me if you don't like gun owners, republicans, or the generally conservative.

Viper GTS

I agree with you, but your analogy is not the greatest.

Just because someone chooses not to agree with a certain lifestyle, and therefore disassociates themselves with that lifestyle, doesnt automatically make them a hater.

It should be equal. Just as people should be free to live their lives according to their desired lifestyle, others should be free to choose to not associate with people if they disagree with that lifestyle.

As long as they do not wish to harm or allow harm to anyone, everyone should be equally free to choose who they want to associate with.

Live and let live.

Basically correct, but it's still an utterly ignorant reason not to associate with someone.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Think about the heterosexual agenda/lifestyle. What is it? Why is it that heterosexuals have a life, but homosexuals have a "lifestyle"?

Most people, I think, who disapprove of being gay do so for heterosexist or religious fundamental reasons, both of which I think are born out of fear. Hence the phobia of homophobe.

This is a long long disscussion.


Edit: i'll add more. The assumption seems to be that homosexuality is this new born deivance from "nature"/norm. I don't think it is. Homosexuality has been around a long time. Just has been a much bigger "nono" than now.

The fear is of change, or something that is different or not well understood IMO. Heterosexual gender roles have been traditionally very well defined. That's being challenged with changing social norms. Change is scary. I'll admit to that.

 

[classy]

Well I have no gay friends, nor do I have any friends who drink either. If a person doesn't like your lifestyle then I see nothing wrong with them not wanting to hang around with you in a friendship compacity. I get sick and tired of hearing gays make a big deal out of that someone doesn't like the homosexual lifestyle or want to embrace it. You need to grow up.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Seems most of you need to learn the difference between hate & choosing to disassociate yourself with someone/thing because you disagree with it at some level.

By that same logic I must hate drug users & thieves since I prefer to avoid the company of those who fall in either of those categories.

The upside to all this, of course, is that you're free to avoid me if you don't like gun owners, republicans, or the generally conservative.

Viper GTS

I agree with you, but your analogy is not the greatest.

Just because someone chooses not to agree with a certain lifestyle, and therefore disassociates themselves with that lifestyle, doesnt automatically make them a hater.

It should be equal. Just as people should be free to live their lives according to their desired lifestyle, others should be free to choose to not associate with people if they disagree with that lifestyle.

As long as they do not wish to harm or allow harm to anyone, everyone should be equally free to choose who they want to associate with.

Live and let live.

Basically correct, but it's still an utterly ignorant reason not to associate with someone.

Again, that is totally up to the individual. If they choose not to associate with someone because they are gay, it is totally their right to do so. It is also many other peoples opinion that this is an ignorant reason to disassociate themselves. Each to his own.

I suppose it is up to every individual to draw the line on what they choose to disassociate themselves from and for what reason. Some chose not to associate with pot smokers or people who have sex at 15yrs old., or those who are too goth, or are racist... others choose to not associate with people because they are gay. It is up to each of us to draw our own lines....

And as long as we do not go out of our way to harm, or allow harm to come to... people we dont agree with, then I cannot see it as hatred.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Think about the heterosexual agenda/lifestyle. What is it? Why is it that heterosexuals have a life, but homosexuals have a "lifestyle"?

Most people, I think, who disapprove of being gay do so for heterosexist or religious fundamental reasons, both of which I think are born out of fear. Hence the phobia of homophobe.

This is a long long disscussion.


Edit: i'll add more. The assumption seems to be that homosexuality is this new born deivance from "nature"/norm. I don't think it is. Homosexuality has been around a long time. Just has been a much bigger "nono" than now.

The fear is of change, or something that is different or not well understood IMO. Heterosexual gender roles have been traditionally very well defined. That's being challenged with changing social norms. Change is scary. I'll admit to that.

It's a lifestyle when you factor in the belief that homosexuality is a choice.

And there is an agenda in place to make the lifestyle acceptable .. to shove it down our throats, pardon the pun.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: classy
Well I have no gay friends, nor do I have any friends who drink either. If a person doesn't like your lifestyle then I see nothing wrong with them not wanting to hang around with you in a friendship compacity. I get sick and tired of hearing gays make a big deal out of that someone doesn't like the homosexual lifestyle or want to embrace it. You need to grow up.

There's a difference between not seeking out gay friends and having a friend, finding out they are gay, and then deciding not to hang around them. I think this case is the second type. I don't look for certain types of people to hang out with. If I meet someone and become friends, then I'm deciding to accept them for who they are. Of course if I find out later that they are doing illegal things then it becomes different. But in this case it does seem a little dicriminatory.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Think about the heterosexual agenda/lifestyle. What is it? Why is it that heterosexuals have a life, but homosexuals have a "lifestyle"?

Most people, I think, who disapprove of being gay do so for heterosexist or religious fundamental reasons, both of which I think are born out of fear. Hence the phobia of homophobe.

This is a long long disscussion.


Edit: i'll add more. The assumption seems to be that homosexuality is this new born deivance from "nature"/norm. I don't think it is. Homosexuality has been around a long time. Just has been a much bigger "nono" than now.

The fear is of change, or something that is different or not well understood IMO. Heterosexual gender roles have been traditionally very well defined. That's being challenged with changing social norms. Change is scary. I'll admit to that.

It's a lifestyle when you factor in the belief that homosexuality is a choice.

And there is an agenda in place to make the lifestyle acceptable .. to shove it down our throats, pardon the pun.

So hetersexuality is a choice also?

And if by agenda you mean not being discriminated against needlessly, then I guess everybody in the world has an agenda to make their "lifestyle" acceptable. I drink coffee and some people avoid me because my breath stinks, so I guess I'm also guilty of jamming my "coffee agenda" down everybody's throats.


Edit: and I see what you're saying, some people are dramatic about it. As is with every group though. Feminists, gays, christian fundamentalists, pot smokers, cigarette smokers, liberals, conservatives, etc... some people just shout instead of speak.

 

[Attrox]

I don't know too much about your 2 friends to label them haters.
Disassociating does not equal to hate. Maybe they choose to disassociate rather than being hypocritical about it.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Think about the heterosexual agenda/lifestyle. What is it? Why is it that heterosexuals have a life, but homosexuals have a "lifestyle"?

Most people, I think, who disapprove of being gay do so for heterosexist or religious fundamental reasons, both of which I think are born out of fear. Hence the phobia of homophobe.

This is a long long disscussion.


Edit: i'll add more. The assumption seems to be that homosexuality is this new born deivance from "nature"/norm. I don't think it is. Homosexuality has been around a long time. Just has been a much bigger "nono" than now.

The fear is of change, or something that is different or not well understood IMO. Heterosexual gender roles have been traditionally very well defined. That's being challenged with changing social norms. Change is scary. I'll admit to that.

It's a lifestyle when you factor in the belief that homosexuality is a choice.

And there is an agenda in place to make the lifestyle acceptable .. to shove it down our throats, pardon the pun.

As a heterosexual (I'm assuming you are, forgive me if you're not) I don't think you're the authority on whether or not homosexuality is a choice. How did you come to your belief that it is a choice? Do you speak from personal experience? Did you have the opportunity to participate in homosexual behavior, but chose to refrain?

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: JDub02
for all the homos

I'd like to know why anyone who doesn't agree with the homosexual agenda/lifestyle is automatically a bigot and a "homophobe"?

I don't approve of being gay, but that doesn't mean I hate anyone for it.

Think about the heterosexual agenda/lifestyle. What is it? Why is it that heterosexuals have a life, but homosexuals have a "lifestyle"?

Most people, I think, who disapprove of being gay do so for heterosexist or religious fundamental reasons, both of which I think are born out of fear. Hence the phobia of homophobe.

This is a long long disscussion.


Edit: i'll add more. The assumption seems to be that homosexuality is this new born deivance from "nature"/norm. I don't think it is. Homosexuality has been around a long time. Just has been a much bigger "nono" than now.

The fear is of change, or something that is different or not well understood IMO. Heterosexual gender roles have been traditionally very well defined. That's being challenged with changing social norms. Change is scary. I'll admit to that.

It's a lifestyle when you factor in the belief that homosexuality is a choice.

And there is an agenda in place to make the lifestyle acceptable .. to shove it down our throats, pardon the pun.

As a heterosexual (I'm assuming you are, forgive me if you're not) I don't think you're the authority on whether or not homosexuality is a choice. How did you come to your belief that it is a choice? Do you speak from personal experience? Did you have the opportunity to participate in homosexual behavior, but chose to refrain?

Not all people condone homosexuality, that doesn't mean they are haters. They can befriend and treat any people equally (I'm not talking about OP's 2 friends). It's just that they have different believe, don't force them to take yours. I think that's what JDub02 was trying to say.

 

[FreshFish]

Originally posted by: Farvacola
I guess theres only one thing to do......find all the bigots and hateful people, put em on a big boat, and sink it.

Don't forget the evil-doers

 

[Stark]

stop being such a wuss!

from my experience, gay guys are great roommates. most people are uncomfortable with discussing things they think are gross. Just like I don't want to hang out with girls who talk about their bloody periods or yeast infections, I don't want to hang out with a guy who talks about having sex with other guys... or even his desire to do so.

If you can accept that some people (ie straight guys) don't want to go on an Aids Walk with you, don't want to know anything about your love life, and don't want to help you explore your new gay identity in any way, shape or form, you'll probably have a lot more friends.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Farvacola
I guess theres only one thing to do......find all the bigots and hateful people, put em on a big boat, and sink it.

LOL isn't that a hateful thing to do too?

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Stark
If you can accept that some people (ie straight guys) don't want to go on an Aids Walk with you, don't want to know anything about your love life, and don't want to help you explore your new gay identity in any way, shape or form, you'll probably have a lot more friends.

Not necessarily. I have no inclination to talk about an AIDs Walk, my love life, or sexual identity with any straight man, unless he brings up the topic. That doesn't mean that a lot of people do not think I'm evil for being gay. A lot of people still refuse to be friends with gay people, at least around here. I've taken the policy to come out whenever I join a new environment for a long term stay - i.e. an office, etc. That way I can tell who I will and will not be getting along with immediately, rather than at some time down the road, when it invariably is brought up by someone.

 

[tami]

i grew up in an area where people were pretty much, as far as i knew, the "same." being gay was unheard of.

i moved out of that area for college, and well, living in nyc has been an eye opener experience for me. it's great to be among so many different people and to hear stories about who they are and why they are who they are. i happen to love it, and meeting a gay person is the same for me as meeting someone who isn't.

there are people among my groups of friends who still don't understand that other people are different, and that saddens me. sometimes i want to take some of these people and hit them on the head -- because if they see "gayness" as a "flaw," well, they're completely flawed too.

you are who you are. don't change yourself for others. people who cannot accept you probably cannot accept themselves either.